WaPo: Will Rand Paul Inherit the Energy From his Father's Campaigns? (cites RPFs)

[Jeremy]

Well, we'll how how the "pros" do this time.

We scored a second place.

Maybe they'll win.

"They"? Why not "we"?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well it appears the level of ungulate support is pretty high around here.

Seriously though, you can't really tell as it's so small, but my avatar's a Rand Paul pony. It even has a little eye surgery cutie mark. I knew I had to grab it for the forum as soon as I saw it, it was too funny.

Better than the Dan Quayle one.

 

[ItsTime]

That's not an entirely bad thing. Rand's campaign will undoubtedly lack the sheer, unrestrained fervor of Ron's runs -- but that fervor not infrequently did more harm than good. If we can keep the excitement without coming across as the political equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses, we'll hit the sweet spot.

You need fervor to go door to door in sub zero weather.... Just saying.

 

[idiom]

RPF understands that old poster of Ron Paul from 2007 with the caption, "the fight has just begun".

I love that poster. It makes me smile every day.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"They"? Why not "we"?

That's my major bone of contention.

"They" made it clear last time, "they" do not want or need "our" help.

 

[fisharmor]

RPF understands that old poster of Ron Paul from 2007 with the caption, "the fight has just begun".

Eight years later, it's still relevant.

I submit that this is the problem.

 

[Inkblots]

Better than the Dan Quayle one.

Faint nor Quayle, brother.

 

[Jeremy]

That's my major bone of contention.

"They" made it clear last time, "they" do not want or need "our" help.

Well that's just silly, we all know that. Ron's campaign made mistakes. Hopefully Rand's makes less. But they didn't want volunteers or voters? Nah.

 

[Jeremy]

Eight years later, it's still relevant.

I submit that this is the problem.

There was a lot more time from Goldwater to Reagan.

 

[Inkblots]

That's my major bone of contention.

"They" made it clear last time, "they" do not want or need "our" help.

To be fair, Rand 2016 =/= Ron 2012. It's almost an entirely new team; Benton's off in PACland.

 

[idiom]

Will Rand inherit the energy of his father's campaign?

Answer: Not even close. The passion that drove the 2008/2012 NOBP campaigns were borne out of pure unfiltered truth to power. So far the Rand 2016 Campaign seems hell-bent on playing politics as usual and panders WAY too much to ignite the fires that spread in 2008/2012.

Will I vote for Rand? Yes. Will I dedicate as much of my time and money to his campaign that I did to Ron Paul's? Probably not. Will I be selling "Rand Paul Cured My Apathy" T-shirts? No, because no one would buy them...

Sad but true. Love the guy, but there's a difference between being a statesman and a politician. I prefer the former.

I dunno. If the dude wins Iowa and NH, the idealists will come pouring out of the woodwork.

At the moment it feels like giving up something solid, purity and idealism and righteous fury, for no tangible results. If Rand gets traction, then suddenly, maybe, all the effort in '08 and '12 wasn't for nothing.

That, that sensation right then, of justification of a decade of work, could be the biggest political movement of the century.

 

[Inkblots]

You need fervor to go door to door in sub zero weather.... Just saying.

It's about proper calibration. You want to slide into that sweet spot above "knocks on doors in a New Hampshire winter" and below "pelts Fox News hosts with snowballs".

 

[ItsTime]

To be fair, Rand 2016 =/= Ron 2012. It's almost an entirely new team; Benton's off in PACland.

This is very true. In NH he hired a Santorum staffer to run his game. Santorum got 9% of the vote and had basically zero ground game. There has only been one Ron Paul staff hire from Rand in NH.

 

[orenbus]

You need fervor to go door to door in sub zero weather.... Just saying.

Truth.

 

[fisharmor]

There was a lot more time from Goldwater to Reagan.

Ah yes, St. Reagan.

The last president to sign enduring gun control legislation into law.

The first president to unilaterally send an invasion force into sovereign land without even congressional oversight.

The president who oversaw turning on the Fed's money spigot.

The president who spent that money like it was free.

The president who sold weapons to Iran (where's that anyway, haven't heard anything about that place recently) so he could funnel money into revolutions he was fomenting in other places.

The president who is more directly responsible for the War on Drugs, and the 2 million incarcerated Americans it has resulted in, than any other president.


Nice to know getting this sort of person elected is the goal of this site.

 

[69360]

What is comes down to is that Rand is going to run a conventional campaign. He doesn't need people to do handmade signs and stand on street corners, he won't need a blimp. He probably won't need their money either. All he needs to do is not go so far right in the primary he loses their votes.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

The liberty torch has been passed...

 

[Anti Federalist]

To be fair, Rand 2016 =/= Ron 2012. It's almost an entirely new team; Benton's off in PACland.

True enough.

It would be nice if he reached out to "us", meaning the core of his dad's support, and asked us to join him.

Maybe he has, and I missed it.

 

[orenbus]

You need fervor to go door to door in sub zero weather.... Just saying.

This post got me thinking of the time I drove 7+ hours to NH to go door to door doing voter ID issue canvassing back in 2007 in sub zero temps.

There is actually still video of some of us on Youtube here, brings back good memories.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well that's just silly, we all know that. Ron's campaign made mistakes. Hopefully Rand's makes less. But they didn't want volunteers or voters? Nah.

It is not silly, it's been discussed and documented many times before, and I saw it with my own eyes, the last NH campaign made it clear they wanted none of "kooky" support.