Want to support him but one thing really bothers me...

[castor]

Hello. I just heard recently about Ron Paul and the amount of support he has from people. I started to read up on and I have some questions and conclusions:

- I really like his honesty. I don't believe our government represents the people and I don't believe the current administration reflects any of the ideals I associate with america.

- He wants to get rid of the fed. I don't like how the fed charges interest when it lends to the government, but I was reading that the fed is good because it can pour money into an economy to put it back on track if its faltering. I am not sure though because as much as I hate to admit it, the whole federal reserve system confuses me. Can someone knows about it tell me their thoughts on it?

- Here is my big one. There was a vote recently to impeach Dick Cheney. Ron Paul voted to put it on the shelf. Kucinich voted the opposite. Cheney is a traitor to the United States as well as Bush. If Ron Paul has so much integrity in upholding the constitution, why did he not vote to impeach one of its most aggressive attackers? I really want to like this guy, but I don't think I can support someone that refuses to take action against domestic enemies like Cheney. I am hoping he had a good reason for it. Does anyone here know?

 

[hellah10]

welcome to the message boards

I do not know the answer, but Im sure someone here will be able to fill you in. I hope in the future you become part the RP grassroots

 

[me3]

I'm sure some folks more eloquent and knowledgeable than I will be along to provide you some answers.

Understanding the FED is a longer process than Dr. Paul's voting positions. There is a lot of history and historical precedent for Central Banking in America, and the world.

As a citizen, you have every right, and should definitely embrace the opportunity to understand how our monetary system works, how it came into being, and what effect it has on the economy.

A good place to start is usually http://www.lewrockwell.com

 

[krott5333]

Hello. I just heard recently about Ron Paul and the amount of support he has from people. I started to read up on and I have some questions and conclusions:

- I really like his honesty. I don't believe our government represents the people and I don't believe the current administration reflects any of the ideals I associate with america.

- He wants to get rid of the fed. I don't like how the fed charges interest when it lends to the government, but I was reading that the fed is good because it can pour money into an economy to put it back on track if its faltering. I am not sure though because as much as I hate to admit it, the whole federal reserve system confuses me. Can someone knows about it tell me their thoughts on it?

- Here is my big one. There was a vote recently to impeach Dick Cheney. Ron Paul voted to put it on the shelf. Kucinich voted the opposite. Cheney is a traitor to the United States as well as Bush. If Ron Paul has so much integrity in upholding the constitution, why did he not vote to impeach one of its most aggressive attackers? I really want to like this guy, but I don't think I can support someone that refuses to take action against domestic enemies like Cheney. I am hoping he had a good reason for it. Does anyone here know?

pouring money into the system = devaluing the dollar.

its the same as a product. Even someone without the slightest clue of economics knows about supply and demand. Those are two major factors that constitute PRICE. Demand for money is static, lets say. Everyone wants it, all the time.

Supply determines the price of the money, or the VALUE. If you could only buy products with dollars, and there were 100 dollars in the world, each of those dollars would be worth A LOT! But if there were an unlimited supply of dollars, and money literally grew on trees, then the money wouldnt be worth anything..because why would anyone sell you a product for money, when they can go get the money off the tree?

I hope I'm making sense. Basically, the federal reserve decreases the value (purchasing power) of our money by excessively printing it. If money was backed by gold, they could only print so much, because there is a limited supply of gold.. therefore, the money will always have value.


last question.. is a good one. Maybe someone else can answer.

 

[dmitchell]

Here is my big one. There was a vote recently to impeach Dick Cheney. Ron Paul voted to put it on the shelf. Kucinich voted the opposite. Cheney is a traitor to the United States as well as Bush. If Ron Paul has so much integrity in upholding the constitution, why did he not vote to impeach one of its most aggressive attackers? I really want to like this guy, but I don't think I can support someone that refuses to take action against domestic enemies like Cheney. I am hoping he had a good reason for it. Does anyone here know?

Congress is supposed to hold hearings and have an independent investigation before voting for impeachment. That is what Congress did for both Nixon and Clinton. I share your feelings on Cheney, but Kucinich was out of order. But at least Paul took it seriously and didn't vote for it just to try to embarrass the Democrats, like the other Republicans did.

 

[texnofobix]

I think he does not want to anger the neoconservative base with something trivial.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Congress is supposed to hold hearings and have an independent investigation before voting for impeachment. That is what Congress did for both Nixon and Clinton. I share your feelings on Cheney, but Kucinich was out of order. But at least Paul took it seriously and didn't vote for it just to try to embarrass the Democrats, like the other Republicans did.

yes, Ron Paul said he wants to hold hearing and investigations for this.

 

[Scott Clayton]

Here is my big one. There was a vote recently to impeach Dick Cheney. Ron Paul voted to put it on the shelf. Kucinich voted the opposite. Cheney is a traitor to the United States as well as Bush. If Ron Paul has so much integrity in upholding the constitution, why did he not vote to impeach one of its most aggressive attackers? I really want to like this guy, but I don't think I can support someone that refuses to take action against domestic enemies like Cheney. I am hoping he had a good reason for it. Does anyone here know?

From LewRockwell.com

Why, Michael Nelson wants to know, did Ron Paul vote to table the Kucinich motion?

Says a friend in the know: "Because it is improper for the House to consider something as important as impeachment without having had hearings and without a report from a committee or an independent counsel. It was appropriately done this way with Nixon and Clinton. If you look at the vote, you will notice the majority of war-mongering Republicans voted with Kuncinich as a cheap stunt to embarrass the Democrats and the anti-war movement by rushing an impeachment resolution to a vote with only an hour's debate."

 

[hard@work]

yes, Ron Paul said he wants to hold hearing and investigations for this.

source?

 

[RPinSEAZ]

Kucinich was essentially calling for a verdict in a case without allowing the defendant due process. As much as many dislike Cheney, he should be allowed due process.

 

[Dorfsmith]

From LewRockwell.com

Why, Michael Nelson wants to know, did Ron Paul vote to table the Kucinich motion?

Says a friend in the know: "Because it is improper for the House to consider something as important as impeachment without having had hearings and without a report from a committee or an independent counsel. It was appropriately done this way with Nixon and Clinton. If you look at the vote, you will notice the majority of war-mongering Republicans voted with Kuncinich as a cheap stunt to embarrass the Democrats and the anti-war movement by rushing an impeachment resolution to a vote with only an hour's debate."

Exactly.

 

[murrayrothbard]

- He wants to get rid of the fed. I don't like how the fed charges interest when it lends to the government, but I was reading that the fed is good because it can pour money into an economy to put it back on track if its faltering. I am not sure though because as much as I hate to admit it, the whole federal reserve system confuses me. Can someone knows about it tell me their thoughts on it?

Welcome! Why is "pouring money into an economy" a good thing? Why was an economy faltering in the first place? Perhaps the faltering was actually caused by some previous intervention, or the faltering is actually a natural corrective process, and short circuiting it is a bad idea? Admitting you don't understand the FED is the first step towards learning what it is all about and how it works. No conspiracy theory required. The thing with figuring out why RP wants to get rid of the FED is that is requires a little bit of background in economics and such. I can give you some short reading suggestions if you tell me what kind of background you have.

- Here is my big one. There was a vote recently to impeach Dick Cheney. Ron Paul voted to put it on the shelf. Kucinich voted the opposite. Cheney is a traitor to the United States as well as Bush. If Ron Paul has so much integrity in upholding the constitution, why did he not vote to impeach one of its most aggressive attackers? I really want to like this guy, but I don't think I can support someone that refuses to take action against domestic enemies like Cheney. I am hoping he had a good reason for it. Does anyone here know?

I am pretty sure Ron did not vote for it because he knew it was a publicity stunt. Pretty much all the Republicans voted for it in order to embarass the Democrats. From what I understood that charging someone with treason and bringing up articles of impeachment required more than a few minutes of debate on the House floor, and it would be proper to have official investigations, etc. Trust me, RP is not a secret Cheney supporter!!!!

 

[Artemus]

In response to your question on the Feds, what they can do is control interest rates, they do this by printing more money and lending it at a very low interest rate, and therefore setting an artificial interest rate. What happens is the value of the dollar holds for longer than it should domestically but it gets completely slaughtered by foreign currency and goods and you can see that effect right this moment in the global economy.

Personally i am just a first year college student so don't quote me on anything, there are tons of information on this, but its going to take some time to understand.

 

[parke]

The internet is a wonderful thing. Its hard to hide lies here. There was a time where TV and Newspaper dictated the truth to us. Now the information can reach people so fast that we see past the manure the TV is dictating to us.

Believe me.. TV folks are a little nervous. They call it programming for a reason.

Mix the internet with a man who has held his beliefs and wants to help the American people and you get Ron Paul.

If the internet were not here today, Ron Paul would have already been off of the stage.

you might want to see this link about Central Banking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LDUad0riI

 

[Syren123]

Kucinich was essentially calling for a verdict in a case without allowing the defendant due process. As much as many dislike Cheney, he should be allowed due process.

Actually, he should be named an enemy combatant and thrown in Gitmo indefinitely - no habeus corpus, no due process, nothing but a nice warm waterboard.

 

[cswake]

Since Paul had said previously he'd be willing to open an investigation to find out whether there was any provable wrongdoing in the Administration, my understanding is that there is no hard evidence on impeaching Cheney with, and ultimately this is just an attempt at attention by Kucinich. "Wrongdoings" that have been a consequence of legislation, such as the Patriot Act, are not illegal since Congress legalized them. Same goes for the war crimes, etc. (Send them all to jail??) The investigation would have to show that Cheney broke the rule of law in some way. (ie. Clinton's impeachment had evidence that he lied under oath)

 

[madcat033]

- He wants to get rid of the fed. I don't like how the fed charges interest when it lends to the government, but I was reading that the fed is good because it can pour money into an economy to put it back on track if its faltering. I am not sure though because as much as I hate to admit it, the whole federal reserve system confuses me. Can someone knows about it tell me their thoughts on it?

Some thoughts on the fed:

First of all, if you are worried about faltering economies we can always use fiscal policy to help a lagging economy. Fiscal policy works just as well... it's when the government increases or decreases spending to help boost the economy. That's why World War II pulled everyone out of the great depression, and it's why Hitler was so popular. All of these governments started spending a ton of money on the military, and all that increased spending boomed the economy. Germany was one of the first to emerge from the depression, because Hitler was boosting the country's army before everyone else in preparation for invasions...

Of course, we wouldn't necessarily have to build bombs, but increasing government spending pulls us out of recessions.

Anyways, inflation is NOT unavoidable. It is a byproduct of our monetary system. If we had gold-backed money, we would essentially have no inflation. Every time the government prints money, they are taking money from all of us. It's essentially a tax. They don't create any new wealth when they print money. They just take a little wealth from everyone, by making the currency worth less.

This is essentially taxation without representation. They can print money whenever they like, bypassing elected representatives. They can take your life's savings WHENEVER they want. Look at what happened to Russia in the 90's. The government had a lot of debt, so they printed a ton of money to pay it off. The Ruble became worthless, and people lost their entire life's savings overnight! The government was literally able to take ALL their money, completely bypassing the will of the people.

 

[American]

Welcome to the forum.

The FED is there to both help the economy and help inflation when and if its needed and that the only mechanism they have - print more money or lower interest rates. Both are not really solutions they are both part of the problem but we have never seen both happen at the same time like we are seeing now. We cant export my products and we cant print more money.

The vote on Cheney was a symbolic one, it had no real meaning. Dennis wanted it to be on record who votes for what.

I would not shed a tear if Cheney was burned at the stake personally but this was pure politics and meant nothing.

 

[max]

Hello.

- He wants to get rid of the fed. but I was reading that the fed is good because it can pour money into an economy to put it back on track if its faltering. I am not sure though because as much as I hate to admit it, the whole federal reserve system confuses me. Can someone knows about it tell me their thoughts on it?

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The Fed putting a faltering economy back on track is like thanking the arsonist who puts out your house fire after he was the one who torched it.

The economy falters as a result of excessive taxation and Fed created debt based monetary expansion. When the Fed artificaialy pumps the money supply to "stimulate" the economy....the inevitable inflation follows as surely as night follows day.

The Fed then must "tighten" the moeny supply and drive us into recession...

To get us out of "recession"...the Fed then jacks up the funny money debt based currecny supply and we repeat again and again...It's known as the "business cycle"...but it's just a crock.

As for the Cheneney Bush issue...I can assure you...the neo-con gangsters fear Ron Paul.

 

[murrayrothbard]

For anyone that is interested in starting to get a grasp on monetary policy, and specifically the origins of Ron Paul's thinking on it, please see:

The Case of the 100 Percent Gold Dollar
What Has Government Done to Our Money?
Against Fiduciary Media
Man, Economy, and State
Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles

Cheers!