VP Mike Pence gets "punked" at Olympics

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Funny how you hate the "liberal media' and believe it is always lying until it says something you like.

The NYTimes didn't say anything I liked, they merely reported on what South Korea's President stated and so I am communicating that information to you in this form. I'm not sure what the problem with that is. What I don't like is the bullshit narratives they produce that are based on lies and disinformation.
 
That wasn't fake news, that was reported news, the leader of South Korea said it in front of everybody, it's on record.

Fake news is when they say things that are unverifiable or incorrect out of context in trying to spin a narrative that is bull$#@!.

And when they report one side's statements without critical examination, but wax on at length with theories about how the other side might possibly be lying? What is that?

The New York Times knows full well that it has been a tradition in the Orient for thousands of years to make an opponent back down and concede by defeating him in such a way that he can save face only by doing so. 'Save face' is, in fact, an Oriental concept. And only a fool can fail to see that strategy at work here. To call one's self a serious news organization and to report an obvious ploy without a speck of critical examination is to spin a narrative. But perhaps that's too adult a puzzle for you.

You talk about Trump allowing South Korea to negotiate with North Korea. They do not need his 'go-ahead'. They share a border. They do not need an American passport to get to the negotiating table.
 
And when they report one side's statements without critical examination, but wax on at length with theories about how the other side might possibly be lying? What is that?

The New York Times knows full well that it has been a tradition in the Orient for thousands of years to make an opponent back down and concede by defeating him in such a way that he can save face only by doing so. 'Save face' is, in fact, an Oriental concept. And only a fool can fail to see that strategy at work here. To call one's self a serious news organization and to report an obvious ploy without a speck of critical examination is to spin a narrative. But perhaps that's too adult a puzzle for you.

You talk about Trump allowing South Korea to negotiate with North Korea. They do not need his 'go-ahead'. They share a border. They do not need an American passport to get to the negotiating table.

You seem to be pretty ignorant about our current and past relationship with North Korea and South Korea. Maybe you should study that a little bit before telling me what South Korea needs to do or doesn't need to do before they negotiate with North Korea.
 
You seem to be pretty ignorant about our current and past relationship with North Korea and South Korea. Maybe you should study that a little bit before telling me what South Korea needs to do or doesn't need to do before they negotiate with North Korea.

I've been trying to figure out the south korean government for months now, I haven't been able to make heads or tails of it. Please explain to me the South Korean government, and how they are better then North?
 
You seem to be pretty ignorant about our current and past relationship with North Korea and South Korea. Maybe you should study that a little bit before telling me what South Korea needs to do or doesn't need to do before they negotiate with North Korea.

Will there be a test? Will you be taking it with me?

Are you sure you're up to date? I could have sworn diplomacy involved at least a little bit of 'make it up as you go'.

As Will Rogers said, all I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's the alibi for my ignorance.

Yours, too, obviously.
 
I've been trying to figure out the south korean government for months now, I haven't been able to make heads or tails of it. Please explain to me the South Korean government, and how they are better then North?

Are you really asking me how the South Korean government is better than the North?
 
Are you really asking me how the South Korean government is better than the North?
Their elections don't sound any better then ours. We shouldn't be telling them how to live.

Ms Park's father was assassinated in 1979. By this point she was firm friends with Mr Choi's daughter, Choi Soon-sil, who later became her adviser when Ms Park became president.



Ms Park was officially ousted in March 2017, following parliament's decision to impeach her in December. She was the country's first democratically-elected president to be forced from office.

After losing her presidential immunity, she was charged with bribery, abusing state power and leaking state secrets
 
Their elections don't sound any better then ours. We shouldn't be telling them how to live.

Well, that was a pregnant silence. Could it be the guy who was lecturing everyone who came along about how ignorant they are of all things Korean never heard of the Park family?
 
Well, that was a pregnant silence. Could it be the guy who was lecturing everyone who came along about how ignorant they are of all things Korean never heard of the Park family?

I asked:

Are you really asking me how the South Korean government is better than the North?

And I got a reply comparing our elections to South Korea..

Do I need to start listing atrocities committed by North Korea, how they treat their own people, that their leader had his own older brother murdered so he could remain in power?

None of those things are comparable at all to South Korea or the U.S.

Are you guys just tag-team obfuscaters?
 
I asked:



And I got a reply comparing our elections to South Korea..

Do I need to start listing atrocities committed by North Korea, how they treat their own people, that their leader had his own older brother murdered so he could remain in power?

None of those things are comparable at all to South Korea or the U.S.

Are you guys just tag-team obfuscaters?

We murdered the president so we could stay at war.
 
...that their leader had his own older brother murdered so he could remain in power?

None of those things are comparable at all to South Korea or the U.S.

Look up Park Chung-hee.

And while you're at it, look up John F. Kennedy.

As for atrocities...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?225-Individual-Rights-Violations-Case-Studies

Are you guys just tag-team obfuscaters?

Do you take your shoes off before you stick your feet in your mouth?
 
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We murdered the president so we could stay at war.

Look up Park Chung-hee.

And while you're at it, look up John F. Kennedy.

As for atrocities...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?225-Individual-Rights-Violations-Case-Studies

Please correct me if any of this is wrong, but I have no idea what the hell you guys are blathering on about.. you're trying to say the CIA killed him because he wanted to re-unite with North Korea?? I don't see any evidence that either of those assertions are remotely correct.. I am pretty open minded about these things, so any information would be appreciated.

President Park, who came to power after a military coup on May 16, 1961, had previously survived two attempts on his life. In the second attempt, in 1974, a Korean gunman from Japan tried to shoot the President while he and his wife attended a ceremony at the National Theater here to celebrate Korea's liberation from Japanese rule in 1945.

The gunman missed Mr. Park but killed his wife.
The earlier attempt came in January 1968 when 31 Communist guerrillas slipped into Seoul and sought unsuccessfully to fight their way into his official residence, the Blue House, to assassinate him.

The President's death followed a series of political protests against his authoritarian rule, including rioting and vast demonstrations by tens of thousands of people in the southern port city of Pusan and the nearby industrial city of Masan. The outbursts there, in which hundreds were arrested, were the worst since student rioting in 1961 led to the ouster of President Syngman Rhee and the beginning of the Park regime.


And if you are comparing the civil rights of people here with those in North Korea, that is just completely absurd. In North Korea, if you try and escape they will literally skin you alive and kill your family. They are living in a giant concentration camp.


 
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Please correct me if any of this is wrong, but I have no idea what the hell you guys are blathering on about.. you're trying to say the CIA killed him because he wanted to re-unite with North Korea?? I don't see any evidence that either of those assertions are remotely correct.

I only see one assertion. And no, I have no earthly idea where it came from. But I said what I was trying to say, and that wasn't it. And I feel sure I can say the same for nickers.



And if you are comparing the civil rights of people here with those in North Korea, that is just completely absurd. In North Korea, if you try and escape they will literally skin you alive and kill your family.



You've seen that first-hand, have you? Or are you going to provide another link to the New York Times to back that up?
 
You seem to be pretty ignorant about our current and past relationship with North Korea and South Korea. Maybe you should study that a little bit before telling me what South Korea needs to do or doesn't need to do before they negotiate with North Korea.

That would be YOU, buddy-boy.

S Korea was overtaken & handled much like Iran in 1953.

As to who did in reality fire that shot, Bruce Cumings, head of the history department at the University of Chicago, gave us the definitive answer in his two-volume The Origins of the Korean War, and The Korean War: A History: the Korean war started during the American occupation of the South, and it was Rhee, with help from his American sponsors, who initiated a series of attacks that well preceded the North Korean offensive of 1950. From 1945-1948, American forces aided Rhee in a killing spree that claimed tens of thousands of victims: the counterinsurgency campaign took a high toll in Kwangju, and on the island of Cheju-do – where as many as 60,000 people were murdered by Rhee’s US-backed forces.

Rhee’s army and national police were drawn from the ranks of those who had collaborated with the Japanese occupation during World War II, and this was the biggest factor that made civil war inevitable. That the US backed these quislings guaranteed widespread support for the Communist forces led by Kim IL Sung, and provoked the rebellion in the South that was the prelude to open North-South hostilities. Rhee, for his part, was eager to draw in the United States, and the North Koreans, for their part, were just as eager to invoke the principle of "proletarian internationalism" to draw in the Chinese and the Russians.

Having backed the Maoists during World War II, in cooperation with the Soviet Union, the US had already "lost" China, and Truman was determined not to "lose" Korea, too. In spite of the fact that he had ample warning of the North Korean offensive, the President used this "surprise attack" to justify sending American troops to Korea to keep Rhee in power, and in doing so neglected to go to Congress for approval – or even give them advance notice. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/07/28/who-really-started-the-korean-war/

Endless Atrocities: The US Role in Creating the North Korean Fortress-State

Regarding which side technically fired the first shot in the Korean War, “Bruce Cumings, head of the history department at the University of Chicago, gave us the definitive answer in his two-volume The Origins of the Korean War, and The Korean War: A History: the Korean war started during the American occupation of the South, and it was Rhee [the US-installed dictator], with help from his American sponsors, who initiated a series of attacks that well preceded the North Korean offensive of 1950. From 1945-1948, American forces aided Rhee in a killing spree that claimed tens of thousands of victims: the counterinsurgency campaign took a high toll in Kwangju, and on the island of Cheju-do – where as many as 60,000 people were murdered by Rhee’s US-backed forces.”

Truman then used the North’s counter-attack “to justify sending American troops to Korea to keep Rhee in power”.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/67216.html#more-67216
 
Please correct me if any of this is wrong, but I have no idea what the hell you guys are blathering on about.. you're trying to say the CIA killed him because he wanted to re-unite with North Korea?? I don't see any evidence that either of those assertions are remotely correct.. I am pretty open minded about these things, so any information would be appreciated.



And if you are comparing the civil rights of people here with those in North Korea, that is just completely absurd. In North Korea, if you try and escape they will literally skin you alive and kill your family. They are living in a giant concentration camp.



We lock Americans up with no trial in secret prisons and are responsible for a humanitarian crisis in Yemen, resulting in 10's of millions of people starving.
 
We lock Americans up with no trial in secret prisons and are responsible for a humanitarian crisis in Yemen, resulting in 10's of millions of people starving.

We know who killed Park Chung-hee, and it wasn't the CIA. So, is he trying to say JFK was killed because he wanted to reunify the U.S. with North Korea?

It's awfully hard to debate someone who challenges you to disprove his assertions when he only makes one assertion.

It always amazes me how sanctimonious some people can get about liberals, when all liberals do is read the mainstream media, and swallow its narrative whole, and then get upset and arrogant and accuse people of ignorance when someone informs them of facts the media never disclosed to them.
 
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VP Mike Pence is "punk" incendiary henchman at Olympics

Monday February 12, 2018
Chicago Tribune
Heading home from Olympics, Pence insists 'no daylight' on North Korea

Certainly, Pence found a way to make it into the USA Sunday papers to "steal the spotlight" from the athletes with the "no daylight" remark.
 
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We know who killed Park Chung-hee, and it wasn't the CIA. So, is he trying to say JFK was killed because he wanted to reunify the U.S. with North Korea?

It's awfully hard to debate someone who challenges you to disprove his assertions when he only makes one assertion.

It always amazes me how sanctimonious some people can get about liberals, when all liberals do is read the mainstream media, and swallow its narrative whole, and then get upset and arrogant and accuse people of ignorance when someone informs them of facts the media never disclosed to them.

What would "ending the war" with North Korea have meant? Because that is what I was replying to.
 
VP Mike Pence is "punk" incendiary henchman at Olympics



In this Friday, Feb. 9, 2018, photo, costume players dressed as North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and
US President Donald Trump leave after attending the opening ceremony of the Pyeongchang Olympics
in Pyeongchang, South Korea. (Jo Hyun-woo/Yonhap via AP)
 
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