I don't disagree with ANYTHING you just said. This is NOT Ron Paul's issue alone. Nor should it fall on his campaign, already considered "fringe" by the MSM, be demanding a recount when the payoff is so small for this campaign AT THIS TIME.
Voter Fraud Conspiracies
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I don't disagree with ANYTHING you just said. This is NOT Ron Paul's issue alone. Nor should it fall on his campaign, already considered "fringe" by the MSM, be demanding a recount when the payoff is so small for this campaign AT THIS TIME.
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Here here!!! BRRRAAAAVO!!! <clapping!>
look...whatever...like I said before I am going to agree to disagree. neither of us is going to change our position. all i want is my right to my opinion and to be able to discuss it freely with others who share the same opinion. i am not going out of my way to bother anyone except people who insist that i don't have a right to think as i do, or who inisist that we should all be "good boys and girls" and be silent about our beliefs. i'm not willing to do so, and as someone who subscribes to the message of Ron Paul you shouldn't ask me to.
"..The scribe[Nicodemus] answered: 'O master, I fear to tell you this, because of the penalty of death.'
Then Jesus said: 'Brother, I am grieved that I came to eat bread in your house, since you love this present life more than God your creator; and for this cause you fear to lose your life, but fear not to lose the faith and the life eternal, which is lost when the tongue speaks contrary to that which the heart knows of the Law of God.
Then the good scribe wept, and said: "O master, if I had known how to bear fruit, I should have preached many things which I have left unsaid lest sedition should be roused among the people."
Jesus answered: "You should respect neither the people, nor all the world, nor all the holy ones, nor all the angels, when it should cause offence to God. Wherefore let the whole [world] perish rather than offend God your creator, and preserve it not with sin. For sin destroys and preserves not, and God is mighty to create as many worlds as there are sands in the sea, and more."
Jesus of Nazareth
Alas, if men but knew how critical it is to seek and speak the truth, our world would've been in a much better shape.
Then Jesus said: 'Brother, I am grieved that I came to eat bread in your house, since you love this present life more than God your creator; and for this cause you fear to lose your life, but fear not to lose the faith and the life eternal, which is lost when the tongue speaks contrary to that which the heart knows of the Law of God.
Then the good scribe wept, and said: "O master, if I had known how to bear fruit, I should have preached many things which I have left unsaid lest sedition should be roused among the people."
Jesus answered: "You should respect neither the people, nor all the world, nor all the holy ones, nor all the angels, when it should cause offence to God. Wherefore let the whole [world] perish rather than offend God your creator, and preserve it not with sin. For sin destroys and preserves not, and God is mighty to create as many worlds as there are sands in the sea, and more."
Jesus of Nazareth
Alas, if men but knew how critical it is to seek and speak the truth, our world would've been in a much better shape.
Yeah, good idea. Let's all just fucking roll over and have votes stolen from Ron Paul. Brilliant, huh? Nice job thinking that throwing the word "conspiracy" out there would give you some sort of rational credibility. Because voter fraud never happens, right?
Gtfo
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I haven't asked you to do so. No one seems to be able to comprehend that this would damage the campaign and take away momentum when there are a ton of other states coming up VERY quickly and we need all the focus we can get on those states.
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What if one of those 31 votes that were excluded was your's? You worked on the campaign. You took time out of your schedule to get involved in the process. You talk to people every day about Ron Paul. You go out in the middle of the night to hang up signs that you took a few hours of your time to make with the paint that you purchased out of your own pocket?
And what of all the money you gave until it hurt on Nov 5 or Dec 16? And then someone just decided to not count YOUR vote.
Meanwhile when the mass media shows charts they don't even mention your candidate but they do mention the candidates who he is leading?
This is going on all over the country and its a battle by battle war. Some battles are small and some are more significant but they are ALL battles that MUST be fought.
libertygrl
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With all due respect, you are not worthy of using the name "Sam Adams" with that sort of comment. Your comment is more in line with Sam's cousin John!
“"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men." -Samuel Adams”
With all due respect, I know when to look at the big picture. 31 votes in NH ain't the big picture. Neither is wasting $67,000 on a recount to prove we were still not #1. That $67,000 is better spend on a shit load of radio ads in the next state. Freedom is definitely worth defending, but you have to have priorities and you have to be able to see the forest for the trees. I respect your opinion. I don't think I've resorted to name calling and insults on this thread, so I won't start now, but you really didn't add any logical discussion to your argument.
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I've just put a price tag on my vote. It's worth $10 Million to me.
Now then, if someone steals my vote, I want $10 Million in reparations. I'll donate that to a very worthy cause of course.
Now then, if someone steals my vote, I want $10 Million in reparations. I'll donate that to a very worthy cause of course.
What's the point of pounding the streets to get more support if its conveniently erased at the ballot box ?
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You know, as much as I hate to say it, I think Ron Paul is losing this campaign because of half of the idiots that are supporting him. You guys put off such a BAD image of the guy, it's no WONDER people think he's a crackpot!
Look, if there is evidence of voter fraud in certain counties, then get the citizens within each of those counties to band together and file a lawsuit and I'm quite sure there's plenty enough of us around here to donate to foot the bill. That's the way the system works.
Having Dr. Paul's campaign demand a recount is just not a very useful thing to happen right now. It would damage his image shortly before going into Super Tuesday, because the media pundits wouldn't let it die. They'd go on and on for days talking about how ridiculous it was for him to do so, then tie him into conspiracy theory nutjobs and so on.
Case closed, debate over. The more time you spend arguing over who's responsibility it is to clear up the voter fraud, the less time you have doing GOTV! Here's the cycle of responsibility for who needs to handle what:
+It's up to those whose votes were not counted to take their proof before the judicial system and get it resolved.
+It's our (the grassroots supporters) responsibility to get it publicity and funding when it happens.
+It's the campaign's responsibility to move on to Michigan and SC and such and make a press release in regard to the fraud suits once they have been filed and say something about "every vote should be counted" supporting the suits.
And as for Dr. Paul? His ONLY responsibility here is to continue to fight and speak the truth far and wide and do what he's been doing since day one!
Let's move on to Michigan, let's get more people monitoring the polls in each state, let's continue to monitor the instances of fraud, and let's start suing in areas where we have proof. And in the meantime, let's GOTV! GOTV! GOTV!
Look, if there is evidence of voter fraud in certain counties, then get the citizens within each of those counties to band together and file a lawsuit and I'm quite sure there's plenty enough of us around here to donate to foot the bill. That's the way the system works.
Having Dr. Paul's campaign demand a recount is just not a very useful thing to happen right now. It would damage his image shortly before going into Super Tuesday, because the media pundits wouldn't let it die. They'd go on and on for days talking about how ridiculous it was for him to do so, then tie him into conspiracy theory nutjobs and so on.
Case closed, debate over. The more time you spend arguing over who's responsibility it is to clear up the voter fraud, the less time you have doing GOTV! Here's the cycle of responsibility for who needs to handle what:
+It's up to those whose votes were not counted to take their proof before the judicial system and get it resolved.
+It's our (the grassroots supporters) responsibility to get it publicity and funding when it happens.
+It's the campaign's responsibility to move on to Michigan and SC and such and make a press release in regard to the fraud suits once they have been filed and say something about "every vote should be counted" supporting the suits.
And as for Dr. Paul? His ONLY responsibility here is to continue to fight and speak the truth far and wide and do what he's been doing since day one!
Let's move on to Michigan, let's get more people monitoring the polls in each state, let's continue to monitor the instances of fraud, and let's start suing in areas where we have proof. And in the meantime, let's GOTV! GOTV! GOTV!
Prove it. If Ron was actually doing better, we might have a case.
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He's been trolling all day. It's getting annoying.
Trolling? Everyone who's dropped the T-bomb has utterly failed to present any arguments on how this will help Ron Paul and NOT hurt his campaign.
Typical of people with no great logic, resorting to name calling.
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