Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States

[Swordsmyth]

O'Bummer was not born in Hawaii, the Birth Certificate is a poor forgery.
And his mother gave up his citizenship so he could become an Indonesian citizen, be adopted by his stepfather, and go to school, he never applied to reclaim it after turning 18.
He is no kind of citizen at all.

But I'm not surprised to see PAF pretending the MSM narrative is true.

 

[Swordsmyth]

True that. And if it continues and is permitted, even in the case of Swamy, that right there negates the entire "open borders are destroying our country!". No principles.

???

That would prove that immigrants of all kinds are destroying our country.

 

[PAF]

Both must be citizens (or just the father by some originalist interpretations) for him to be an NBC, neither was.

I want things more strict than that. You shouldn't be able to vote, or hold any government position unless you were born here to at least one parent that was born here 2 generations ago.

FIFY

illegals are invaders and should be shot at the border.

If you believe humans are owned by governments, the same way God gave humans dominion over animals, I can see why you would endorse that pathetic position.

O'Bummer was not born in Hawaii, the Birth Certificate is a poor forgery.
And his mother gave up his citizenship so he could become an Indonesian citizen, be adopted by his stepfather, and go to school, he never applied to reclaim it after turning 18. He is no kind of citizen at all. But I'm not surprised to see PAF pretending the MSM narrative is true.

Show me proof and I can accept that.

That would prove that immigrants of all kinds are destroying our country.

It does no such thing. The Average White Band politician up in the WH along with lobbyists, multi-generational Americans in Section 8, old ladies with dyed red hair in rotary clubs, men with Trump hats who served in wars and are on committee... and folks like you, are destroying our country. I have lots of proof of that.

 

[jmdrake]

Curious what the response will be among "closed borders" folks.

[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] ? @Others ?

Is this something something - blah blah - don't ask stupid questions - nobody cares anymore - you're one of those crazy NBC lunatics people make fun of - it only doesn't matter if it is for the highest office in the land?

1) I'm a "closed border" agnostic. I thought you knew that?

2) I'm not sold one way or another on Vivek. I thought you knew that?

3) Your post contains questionable information.

https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/u-s-citizenship-processing-times

On average, it takes 18 months to 24 months to complete the naturalization process and become a U.S. citizen. The naturalization process has five general steps. It begins with filing Form N-400 and ends with taking the Oath of Allegiance.​

That's less than 2 years as opposed to the "at least 5 years" your article claimed. Also it was probably easier to become a naturalized citizen in 1983. So....now you know that.

 

[PAF]

1) I'm a "closed border" agnostic. I thought you knew that?

2) I'm not sold one way or another on Vivek. I thought you knew that?

3) Your post contains questionable information.

https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/u-s-citizenship-processing-times

On average, it takes 18 months to 24 months to complete the naturalization process and become a U.S. citizen. The naturalization process has five general steps. It begins with filing Form N-400 and ends with taking the Oath of Allegiance.​

That's less than 2 years as opposed to the "at least 5 years" your article claimed. Also it was probably easier to become a naturalized citizen in 1983. So....now you know that.

That's how long it takes to complete the filing process.

General naturalization requirements state that you must have 5 years as a lawful permanent resident in the U.S. prior to filing, with no single absence from the U.S. of more than 1 year. In addition, you must have been physically present in the U.S. for at least 30 months out of the previous 5 years and resided within a state or district for at least 3 months.

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-history-of-naturalization-requirements-1951956

More here:

Before you can apply for naturalization, you must meet certain eligibility requirements.

To be eligible for naturalization based on being a lawful permanent resident for at least five years, you must:

* Be at least 18 years old when you submit Form N-400, Application for Naturalization;

* Show you have been a lawfully admitted permanent resident of the United States for at least five years;

* Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least five years immediately before the date you file Form N-400

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/l...n/i-am-a-lawful-permanent-resident-of-5-years

I thought you knew that? ;-)

If you can show me otherwise, I will be happy to stand corrected.


I am wondering, how many red-blooded American citizens, including on this very forum, need to:

* Have knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States

 

[nobody's_hero]

Well I guess that makes Trump the best republican candidate in the current running again.

(Is someone shooting off leftover fireworks or is that the sound of heads exploding?)








(don't get all pissy I'm just kidding)






(sort of)

 

[jmdrake]

That's how long it takes to complete the filing process.



More here:




I thought you knew that? ;-)

If you can show me otherwise, I will be happy to stand corrected.


I am wondering, how many red-blooded American citizens, including on this very forum, need to:

Okay. Back to points 1 and 2. Why do you think I'm a closed border person or someone that's backing Vivek?

 

[PAF]

Okay. Back to points 1 and 2. Why do you think I'm a closed border person or someone that's backing Vivek?

I may have misspoke concerning your position on the border, accept my apology ;-)

2) I'm not sold one way or another on Vivek.

???

On the first day of trading the stock almost doubled, giving Axovant a market capitalization of nearly $3 billion. Considering that Ramaswamy had persuaded Glaxo to part with the unproven remedy for a mere $5 million up front, the newlyweds were ecstatic, as was a veritable wedding party of hedge fund pals who had followed Ramaswamy into the stock.

But this creeping fear ignores the full scope of what Ramaswamy is up to: rescuing the pharmaceutical industry’s forgotten drugs. Whether or not the Axovant drug works, the IPO, according to Ramaswamy, is just “a first step on a broader mission” to liberate abandoned or deprioritized drugs that routinely languish in the pipelines of pharma companies, never reaching patients or enriching investors.

Leaning on his Wall Street background and armed with a $400 million war chest, Ramaswamy is building a portfolio not of stocks but of has-been drugs that he grabs for “pennies on the dollar,” free-riding on the billions in research that pharma sometimes sinks into failed trials. Using a pharmaceutical holding company he formed last year, Roivant Sciences, Ramaswamy hopes to spin out dozens of companies, much as he did with Axovant. “This will be the highest return on investment endeavor ever taken up in the pharmaceutical industry,” he boasts. “It will be a pipeline every bit as deep and diverse as the most promising pharma company in the world but with a capital efficiency that is unprecedented.”

A whirlwind of such deals has made Ramaswamy, a member of the FORBES 30 Under 30 list, biopharma’s youngest chief executive. He may soon be its youngest billionaire. FORBES estimates that Roivant is worth $3.5 billion, making its Millennial founder’s 20% or so stake worth some $700 million. Ramaswamy, who just turned 30, has bigger aspirations. Roivant, he says, will become the “Berkshire Hathaway of drug development.”

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?563121-Vivek-Ramaswamy-On-The-Record

 

[Swordsmyth]

FIFY



If you believe humans are owned by governments, the same way God gave humans dominion over animals, I can see why you would endorse that pathetic position.



Show me proof and I can accept that.



It does no such thing. The Average White Band politician up in the WH along with lobbyists, multi-generational Americans in Section 8, old ladies with dyed red hair in rotary clubs, men with Trump hats who served in wars and are on committee... and folks like you, are destroying our country. I have lots of proof of that.

The immigrants make everything worse,, and many of the "natives" have not been here for many generations and their ancestors shouldn't have been let in.
Unlike the natives, there are hardly any immigrants trying to make things better.

 

[jmdrake]

I may have misspoke concerning your position on the border, accept my apology ;-)

Appology accepted. For the record I do think that the border crisis is blowback from our foreign policy. We destablize countries and wonder why refugees end up on our doorstep. I'm not sure the best thing to do about the problem beyond quit creating it.

???

I don't even think Vivek is a factor at this point. Am I wrong? I know people that I trust (Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams) have had some nice things to say about him. However I think I recall him being connected to somw shadowy group I don't like. There's somebody besides RFK Jr. running against Biden on the Democratic side too who's name escapes me at the moment. (I could google her....but I don't care). So....??? If Vivek polls in the double digits maybe I'll pay attention.

 

[PAF]

Appology accepted. For the record I do think that the border crisis is blowback from our foreign policy. We destablize countries and wonder why refugees end up on our doorstep. I'm not sure the best thing to do about the problem beyond quit creating it.



I don't even think Vivek is a factor at this point. Am I wrong? I know people that I trust (Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams) have had some nice things to say about him. However I think I recall him being connected to somw shadowy group I don't like. There's somebody besides RFK Jr. running against Biden on the Democratic side too who's name escapes me at the moment. (I could google her....but I don't care). So....??? If Vivek polls in the double digits maybe I'll pay attention.

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] linked to an article tying him to George Soros which is in Swamy’s On the Record:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?563121-Vivek-Ramaswamy-On-The-Record

I don’t trust Swamy further than I can spit. He is extremely intelligent, knows how to speak, and can pull wool over most people’s eyes. Unfortunately for him I see past the rhetoric.

At the end of the interview, Ron gave Swamy some things to think about, I got the impression that by the time the interview was over Ron wasn’t too keen on him. Ron seems to be promoting RFK pretty consistently, for reasons stated several times in various threads.

 

[jmdrake]

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] linked to an article tying him to George Soros which is in Swamy’s On the Record:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?563121-Vivek-Ramaswamy-On-The-Record

I don’t trust Swamy further than I can spit. He is extremely intelligent, knows how to speak, and can pull wool over most people’s eyes. Unfortunately for him I see past the rhetoric.

At the end of the interview, Ron gave Swamy some things to think about, I got the impression that by the time the interview was over Ron wasn’t too keen on him. Ron seems to be promoting RFK pretty consistently, for reasons stated several times in various threads.

You've pretty much confirmed everything I said. So what am I missing? Do you think Vivek is actually a factor? Because....I don't.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I am wondering, how many red-blooded American citizens, including on this very forum, need to:

Here's the question bank for the citizenship test.

100 questions in total.

I had no problem answering any random ten.

 

[Anti Federalist]

illegals are invaders and should be shot at the border.

If you believe humans are owned by governments, the same way God gave humans dominion over animals, I can see why you would endorse that pathetic position

People have a right to self defense of their persons and property.

If invaded they have a right to organize a common defense against said invaders.

The constitution demands that the federal government act in the common defense, in the face of invasion.

 

[Anti Federalist]

One of the worst ramifications of the invasion, that folks like me have been concerned about, is elevating invaders into positions of power over the natural population of legal citizens of the nation.

We already have seen that in positions of political power.

Soon, invaders will be cops, thumping your head and shooting your dog.

 

[PAF]

People have a right to self defense of their persons and property.

If invaded they have a right to organize a common defense against said invaders.

The constitution demands that the federal government act in the common defense, in the face of invasion.

Yes, that is correct. However, none of what you listed is occurring.

This is one topic that you [and others] and I will not see eye-to-eye on. Until the root cause(s) is identified and corrected, the problem will never be solved. People make or lay in the bed that they sleep in, and they deserve it. Yet somehow I am forced to suffer for other people's stupidity.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, that is correct. However, none of what you listed is occurring.

This is one topic that you [and others] and I will not see eye-to-eye on. Until the root cause(s) is identified and corrected, the problem will never be solved.

Why?

You realize that the invaders are being funded, directed and organized by powers that be far above them, powers that are clearly hostile to our mutual interests.

We just discussed that.

So, you have millions of people being funneled into the nation for the purpose of upsetting and overturning the existing peoples, funded and controlled by outside hostile interests.

That is an invasion.

What else is not occurring?

The state putting the invaders into positions of authority to lord over and control the conquered population?

Illinois is getting ready to do exactly that.

Sanctuary State Illinois: Gov. Pritzker Considers Allowing DACA Illegal Aliens to Police Americans as Cops

 

[PAF]

Why?

You realize that the invaders [immigrants] are being funded, directed and organized by powers that be far above them, powers [in our own very government] that are clearly hostile to our mutual interests.

We just discussed that.

So, you have millions of people being funneled into the nation for the purpose of upsetting and overturning the existing peoples, funded and controlled by [inside lobbyists and politicians in our own government and] outside hostile interests.

That is an invasion invitation [on MY tax dime!].

What else is not occurring?

The state putting the invaders into positions of authority to lord over and control the conquered population?

Illinois is getting ready to do exactly that.

Sanctuary State Illinois: Gov. Pritzker Considers Allowing DACA Illegal Aliens to Police Americans as Cops

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

My response to that remains crystal clear and consistent:

Until the root cause(s) is identified and corrected, the problem will never be solved.

 

[Anti Federalist]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

My response to that remains crystal clear and consistent:

Until the root cause(s) is identified and corrected, the problem will never be solved.

Why not do both?

Close the border and address "root causes".

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

Work permits, specifically under President Joe Biden’s administration, are given out regularly to border crossers

NOW you see why people should not be required to have work "permits". They should be able to travel freely without signing up with Fed.gov. "LEGAL" enables them to Fund the Fed via taxes, obtain government assistance, and to obtain government jobs.

Every single time the "republicans" and democrats alike want to "do something", and VIOLATE Natural Rights, repercussions like this happen. That is called BLOWBACK. ON MY TAX DIME!