Vinyl chloride spill in PA

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Ohio catastrophe is ‘wake-up call’ to dangers of deadly train derailments

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/ohio-train-derailment-wake-up-call

Five days after a train carrying vinyl chloride derailed and exploded near the Ohio-Pennsylvania border, crews ignited a controlled burn of toxic chemicals to prevent a much more dangerous explosion.

Thousands in East Palestine, a town of about 5,000 people, evacuated, and officials warned the controlled burn would create a phosgene and hydrogen chloride plume across the region. Phosgene is a highly toxic gas that can cause vomiting and breathing trouble, and was used as a weapon in the first world war.

Though no one died in the accident, the catastrophe serves as a wake-up call to the potential for more deadly freight rail derailments, public health advocates warn. By one estimate, 25 million Americans live in an oil train blast zone, and had the derailment occurred just a few miles east, it would be burning in downtown Pittsburgh, with tens of thousands of residents in immediate danger.

Ineffective oversight and a largely self-monitoring industry that has cut the nation’s rail workforce to the bone in recent years as it puts record profits over safety is responsible for the wreck, said Ron Kaminkow, an Amtrak locomotive engineer and former Norfolk Southern freight engineer.

“The Palestine wreck is the tip of the iceberg and a red flag,” said Kaminkow, who is secretary for the Railroad Workers United, a non-profit labor group that coordinates with the nation’s rail unions. “If something is not done, then it’s going to get worse, and the next derailment could be cataclysmic.”

About 4.5m tons of toxic chemicals are shipped by rail each year and an average of 12,000 rail cars carrying hazardous materials pass through cities and towns each day, according to the US Department of Transportation.

The latest accident comes after 47 people were killed in the town of Lac-Megantic, Quebec, in 2013 when a runaway train exploded. In February 2020, a crude oil train derailed and exploded outside Guernsey, Saskatchewan, and an ethanol train in Kentucky derailed and burst into flames a week later.

The Pittsburgh region alone has seen eight train derailments over the last five years, according to the public health advocacy group Rail Pollution Protection Pittsburgh (RPPP), and about 1,700 annually occur nationally. The causes of the Pittsburgh accidents highlight the myriad ways in which things can go wrong. A crack in a track ignored by rail companies caused a 2018 derailment, while another train hit a dump truck at a crossing with inadequate safety equipment. A broken axle on a train car is thought to be the source of the East Palestine accident.

Up to 50% of volatile Bakken crude oil refined on the east coast currently runs through metro Pittsburgh, RPPP estimated, and about 176,000 Pittsburghers live in the derailment blast zone.

Rail traffic is projected to increase through the region as a new Shell plastic plant comes online and rail infrastructure, like tracks and bridges, are in a precarious state, said Glenn Olcerst, founder of RPPP.

“The railroads are playing Russian roulette with Pittsburgh,” he said. “We are a prime candidate for a major derailment and explosion.”

Still, the US transportation department (DoT) in 2020 approved a rule to allow liquified natural gas, or LNG, to be shipped via rail with no additional safety regulations. Trains can now run 100 or more tank cars filled with 30,000 gallons of the substance, largely from shale fields to saltwater ports.

The decision was opposed by local leaders, unions, fire departments and the NTSB.

“The risks of catastrophic LNG releases in accidents is too great not to have operational controls in place before large blocks of tank cars and unit trains proliferate,” the NTSB wrote in a comment on the proposed rule.

Just 22 train tank cars filled with LNG hold the same amount of energy as the Hiroshima bomb, a coalition of environmental groups wrote in comments to regulators opposing the LNG rail rule change in 2020. That is raising fears of a catastrophe if a proposed LNG port is built in New Jersey, which could take shipments from two 100-car trains daily that would run through nearby metro Philadelphia.

An LNG fire is extremely difficult for local crews to contain, and shipping it via rail is “an extremely dangerous practice”, said Natural Resources Defense Council senior attorney Kimberly Ong.

“We’ve been astonished by the effect that the spillage of five cars of vinyl chloride has had at the Pennsylvania-Ohio border, but that would be nothing compared to the effects of a similar derailment of LNG,” she added.

In Florida, plans to expand passenger rail service also seem designed to increase LNG shipment capacity by the company behind the effort, said Susan Mehiel, coordinator of the Alliance for Safer Trains. The public safety advocacy group fears higher-speed passenger trains sharing tracks with freight trains carrying LNG and other chemicals could ignite a disaster like that in East Palestine.

Eastern Ohio is less dense than most of where Florida’s lines run, Mehiel added. An LNG explosion in denser east Florida would likely be much more deadly, she said.

“There’s no evacuation because you’re dead, so it’s very frightening,” Mehiel said.

Under the Biden administration, the transportation department has proposed a suspension of the Trump-era LNG rule allowing the substance to be transported via rail and to replace it with a new rule. The suspension was supposed to be published by June 2022, but it and the new rule have been delayed twice, and are now supposed to be final in March, Ong said.

“I don’t know if this is a priority for DoT,” she added.

The Railroad Workers United pinned the threat on rail industry cuts to inspection staff and the elimination of safety protocol. The East Palestine train was hurried, the non-profit said in a statement, and though a cause hasn’t been fully determined, it appears the train was not properly inspected.

Rail companies laid off more than 20,000 rail workers during a year period in 2018-2019, representing the biggest layoffs in rail since the Great Recession, and the nation’s rail force has dipped below 200,000 – the lowest level ever, and down from 1 million at its peak.

“They have cut the hell out of the workforce, and there are big plans to cut it further,” Kaminkow said. “Just because the rail companies are profitable doesn’t mean they’re healthy.”
 
An LNG fire is extremely difficult for local crews to contain, and shipping it via rail is “an extremely dangerous practice”, said Natural Resources Defense Council senior attorney Kimberly Ong.

As dangerous as it is, there's not really any better way to ship it. They could try to limit the quantity loaded per train, but then costs would skyrocket and/or there'd just be more trains to try to manage.
 
It's near PA, but it's not in PA.

It's near Youngstown, OH. I know a few people from East Palestine.

I'm about 2.5 hours from there.
 
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1624935878639353856.html

Based on my preliminary research, the derailed train of Vinyl Chloride is going to be something of a short term calamity with hopefully few long term effects. Apart from the cause of the derailment most everything else makes sense.

Vinyl Chloride is a highly flammable carcinogenic and monomer used to make plastic. It’s really nasty stuff, bad for you down to at least 1 PPM, but you can only smell it starting at 10 PPM. It causes Cancer, liver issues, and is mutagenic in acute and chronic exposure.

The HazMat information I found earlier today indicates that evacuation of 1 mile is standard. The fire is not to be extinguished unless the leaks can be stopped. Due to the risk of BLEVE approaching the accident was very hazardous for several reasons, even geared up.

Apparently a decision was made to vent the tanks explosively. This is preferable to an uncontrolled BLEVE. The combustion products are bad, HCL and trace amounts of Phosgene but both of these will be eliminated in the environment quickly.

Vinyl Chloride is quite reactive and will begin to polymerize in open atmosphere. This is actually good because polymerized Vinyl Chloride is relatively harmless stuff, think PVC. The environmental damage should be short lived with a fast recovery.

They basically had to blow up those tanks, there was not a good way to deal with the fire and leaks under the threat of a BLEVE.

More at the link.
 
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1625175573931737091



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I'm a train nerd. There is a YouTuber named "Jaw Tooth" that has posted numerous trainspotting videos of this exact turn in East Palestine. There are two remote "defect detectors" in quick succession along this stretch of track. These detectors are specifically designed to send radio alerts to the engineer, in the event of wheel, axle, or bearing issues on any of the cars in his consist. We are being told the cause of this incident is a broken axle. Is there any record of the defect detectors picking this up and relying a warning to the train crew?
 
Is this guy seriously suggesting that there aren't many minorities working construction??

I'm willing to bet he's never been on a construction site in his life.

Yup. That is exactly what he's saying.

And it goes unquestioned in Clown World.

I've got the perfect punishment for idiot politicians like that.

 
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White men, though few, are keeping this nation up.

What happens when we shrug?

I know more than a few, myself included, that have had enough of the stress, the danger, the long night hours and all the rest, working in vital industries, that have walked away, Gone Galt, and will no longer contribute their blood, sweat and efforts towards a society that despises them, even though their efforts are critical to keeping that society and those people alive.

I'll answer my own question: as the pool of competent men, yes, mostly white, dwindles, the remaining ones are worked ever harder and tasked with even greater demands.

We're talking about trains here? The national Level I railroads (That's the big boys, UP, NSX, CSX and so on) have been pushing to reduce manning to one. One man, to watch over, operate, check and monitor for safety compliance over a consist of cars and up to six locomotives that could be as much as three miles long. On a ship, we're are required that, even with a fully automated engine room, a walk through and watch must be performed every six hours and every thirty minutes in critical spaces like the engine room. How can a one man crew even check the head locos, never mind the DPUs a mile behind them?

That's when shit starts to fall apart.

That's when 20,000 tons of steel highballing at 70 mph jumps the rails because of an undetected equipment failure.

That's when vital farms and facilities in the food chain blow up, or catch fire, or contaminate a million people's food, because of undetected contamination or lack of maintenance.

That's when servers and software that's supposed to be checked and tested on a regular basis, isn't, and the entire air traffic grid shuts down because of a computer glitch.

That's when highway fatalities start to go up, in spite of all the safety features in new vehicles, as new and inexperienced diversity hires flood the trucking sector.

That's why near collisions and incursions on air traffic patterns start to increase.

That's why incidents of industrial and factory fires and explosions start rising, as overworked and incompetent staff start making mistakes.

That's why oil rigs blow up and kill a dozen men a spill a billion gallons of crude, as over worked drillers get hounded by global corporate representatives to cut corners and speed up the operation.

And look for more and more of this as The Great Replacement continues.

Life in this country is on track to devolve into third world shit hole-ism very shortly, in some places it already has, as the white people you mentioned, die off, drug out, give up or are replaced.

A country where nothing works right, nothing is on time, nothing can be trusted to be safe or effective, from food to aspirin.

South Africa was once a prospering first world nation, the only one in sub Saharan Africa.

After thirty years of reparations and Marxist "reforms" and Bolshevik "race equity" schemes, the nation is falling apart, and can not even keep the power on reliably.

Dead chickens and decomposing bodies: Inside South Africa’s power blackout ‘pandemic’
By Rebecca Trenner, CNN
Updated 7:39 AM EST, Tue January 31, 2023


If you want to know what daily life will be like in the United States in thirty years, just look to South Africa.
 
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What happens when we shrug?

I know more than a few, myself included, that have had enough of the stress, the danger, the long night hours and all the rest, working in vital industries, that have walked away, Gone Galt, and will no longer contribute their blood, sweat and efforts towards a society that despises them, even though their efforts are critical to keeping that society and those people alive.

I'll answer my own question: as the pool of competent men, yes, mostly white, dwindles, the remaining ones are worked ever harder and tasked with even greater demands.

We're talking about trains here? The national Level I railroads (That's the big boys, UP, NSX, CSX and so on) have been pushing to reduce manning to one. One man, to watch over, operate, check and monitor for safety compliance over a consist of cars and up to six locomotives that could be as much as three miles long. On a ship, we're are required that, even with a fully automated engine room, a walk through and watch must be performed every six hours. How can a one man crew even check the head locos, never mind the DPUs a mile behind them?

That's when shit starts to fall apart.

That's when servers and software that's supposed to be checked and tested on a regular basis, doesn't, and the entire air traffic grid shuts down because of a computer glitch.

That's when highway fatalities start to go up, in spite of all the safety measure in new vehicles, as new and inexperienced diversity hires flood the trucking sector.

That's why near collisions and incursions on air traffic patterns start to increase.

That's why incidents of industrial and factory fires and explosions start rising, as overworked and incompetent staff start making mistakes.

That's why oil rigs blow up and kill a dozen men a spill a billion gallons of crude, as over worked drillers get hounded by global corporate representatives to cut corners and speed up the operation.

And look for more and more of this as The Great Replacement continues.

Life in this country is on track to devolve into third world shit hole-ism very shortly, in some places it already has as the white people you mentioned, die off, drug out, give up or are replaced. A country where nothing works right, nothing is on time, nothing can be trusted to be safe or effective, from food to aspirin.

South Africa was once a prospering first world nation, the only one in sub Saharan Africa.

After thirty years of reparations and Marxist "reforms" and Bolshevik "race equity" schemes, the nation is falling apart, and can not even keep the power on reliably.

Dead chickens and decomposing bodies: Inside South Africa’s power blackout ‘pandemic’
By Rebecca Trenner, CNN
Updated 7:39 AM EST, Tue January 31, 2023


If you want to know what daily life will be like in the United States in thirty years, just look to South Africa.

HR will pull help from their equity and inclusion ranks being certain to abide by all hiring quotas imposed by equal employment mandates.

Hang on help is on the way. :rolleyes:
 
What happens when we shrug?

I know more than a few, myself included, that have had enough of the stress, the danger, the long night hours and all the rest, working in vital industries, that have walked away, Gone Galt, and will no longer contribute their blood, sweat and efforts towards a society that despises them, even though their efforts are critical to keeping that society and those people alive.

I'll answer my own question: as the pool of competent men, yes, mostly white, dwindles, the remaining ones are worked ever harder and tasked with even greater demands.

We're talking about trains here? The national Level I railroads (That's the big boys, UP, NSX, CSX and so on) have been pushing to reduce manning to one. One man, to watch over, operate, check and monitor for safety compliance over a consist of cars and up to six locomotives that could be as much as three miles long. On a ship, we're are required that, even with a fully automated engine room, a walk through and watch must be performed every six hours. How can a one man crew even check the head locos, never mind the DPUs a mile behind them?

That's when $#@! starts to fall apart.

That's when servers and software that's supposed to be checked and tested on a regular basis, doesn't, and the entire air traffic grid shuts down because of a computer glitch.

That's when highway fatalities start to go up, in spite of all the safety measure in new vehicles, as new and inexperienced diversity hires flood the trucking sector.

That's why near collisions and incursions on air traffic patterns start to increase.

That's why incidents of industrial and factory fires and explosions start rising, as overworked and incompetent staff start making mistakes.

That's why oil rigs blow up and kill a dozen men a spill a billion gallons of crude, as over worked drillers get hounded by global corporate representatives to cut corners and speed up the operation.

And look for more and more of this as The Great Replacement continues.

Life in this country is on track to devolve into third world $#@! hole-ism very shortly, in some places it already has as the white people you mentioned, die off, drug out, give up or are replaced. A country where nothing works right, nothing is on time, nothing can be trusted to be safe or effective, from food to aspirin.

South Africa was once a prospering first world nation, the only one in sub Saharan Africa.

After thirty years of reparations and Marxist "reforms" and Bolshevik "race equity" schemes, the nation is falling apart, and can not even keep the power on reliably.

Dead chickens and decomposing bodies: Inside South Africa’s power blackout ‘pandemic’
By Rebecca Trenner, CNN
Updated 7:39 AM EST, Tue January 31, 2023


If you want to know what daily life will be like in the United States in thirty years, just look to South Africa.

This. I have gone Galt as well. I am not trucking or doing corporate sales anymore. Just a one man business.
 
What happens when we shrug?

I know more than a few, myself included, that have had enough of the stress, the danger, the long night hours and all the rest, working in vital industries, that have walked away, Gone Galt, and will no longer contribute their blood, sweat and efforts towards a society that despises them, even though their efforts are critical to keeping that society and those people alive.

:up: Me too, bud.

I WANT them to live without oil and gas bi-products. I WANT them to see the fruits of their efforts. They deserve it.

They need to learn the hard way just how much of their comfy, cushy lives depend on oil and gas.

And I want to watch them cry about having to wear wool, because there are no more synthetic fibers. I WANT to watch them b!tch about wearing hob-nailed shoes, because there's no more acrylics and plastics to make their comfortable, cushioned sneakers.

I want them to have to go to bed at 8 pm because the lights don't come on anymore.

Hard times make strong men. It's getting time to make strong men again.

I'll answer my own question: as the pool of competent men, yes, mostly white, dwindles, the remaining ones are worked ever harder and tasked with even greater demands.

We're talking about trains here? The national Level I railroads (That's the big boys, UP, NSX, CSX and so on) have been pushing to reduce manning to one. One man, to watch over, operate, check and monitor for safety compliance over a consist of cars and up to six locomotives that could be as much as three miles long. On a ship, we're are required that, even with a fully automated engine room, a walk through and watch must be performed every six hours. How can a one man crew even check the head locos, never mind the DPUs a mile behind them?

That's when $#@! starts to fall apart.

That's when servers and software that's supposed to be checked and tested on a regular basis, doesn't, and the entire air traffic grid shuts down because of a computer glitch.

That's when highway fatalities start to go up, in spite of all the safety measure in new vehicles, as new and inexperienced diversity hires flood the trucking sector.

That's why near collisions and incursions on air traffic patterns start to increase.

That's why incidents of industrial and factory fires and explosions start rising, as overworked and incompetent staff start making mistakes.

That's why oil rigs blow up and kill a dozen men a spill a billion gallons of crude, as over worked drillers get hounded by global corporate representatives to cut corners and speed up the operation.

And look for more and more of this as The Great Replacement continues.

Life in this country is on track to devolve into third world $#@! hole-ism very shortly, in some places it already has as the white people you mentioned, die off, drug out, give up or are replaced. A country where nothing works right, nothing is on time, nothing can be trusted to be safe or effective, from food to aspirin.

South Africa was once a prospering first world nation, the only one in sub Saharan Africa.

After thirty years of reparations and Marxist "reforms" and Bolshevik "race equity" schemes, the nation is falling apart, and can not even keep the power on reliably.

Dead chickens and decomposing bodies: Inside South Africa’s power blackout ‘pandemic’
By Rebecca Trenner, CNN
Updated 7:39 AM EST, Tue January 31, 2023


If you want to know what daily life will be like in the United States in thirty years, just look to South Africa.

Is it just me, or is this the Cliff Notes Atlas Shrugged? ;)
 
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Lol have to love HR. Most meaningless least productive section of a company. They take time away from everyone else to justify their position. Women complain about wages and hiring yet HR is over 95%+ women lol
 
Is it just me, or is this the Cliff Notes Atlas Shrugged? ;)

In real life, in real time.

How in the hell have we gotten to where our life and society resembles a mash up of every single dystopian warning from the bible to 1984 to Fahrenheit 451 to I, Robot with a healthy dose of Turner Diaries and Camp of the Saints thrown in???

Hard times make strong men. It's getting time to make strong men again.

Way past time.

Too late for me, it now will fall to my sons.

 
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In real life, in real time.

How in the hell have we gotten to where our life and society resembles a mash up of every single dystopian warning from the bible to 1984 to Fahrenheit 451 to I, Robot with a healthy dose of Turner Diaries and Camp of the Saints thrown in???

Also Idiocracy, and The Hunger Games.

We're somehow living out every single dystopian novel ever written in real time.

Hat-tips to Moses, Ayn Rand, Kurt Vonnegut, Matt Stone/Trey Parker, JRR Tolkien, George Orwell, Aldus Huxley, Alan Moore, Suzanne Collins, and whoever the hell wrote the script to Red Dawn. We're your progeny. Thank you for the warning and I'm sorry "we" didn't heed it.
 
Also Idiocracy, and The Hunger Games.

We're somehow living out every single dystopian novel ever written in real time.

Hat-tips to Moses, Ayn Rand, Kurt Vonnegut, Matt Stone/Trey Parker, JRR Tolkien, George Orwell, Aldus Huxley, Alan Moore, Suzanne Collins, and whoever the hell wrote the script to Red Dawn. We're your progeny. Thank you for the warning and I'm sorry "we" didn't heed it.

No hat tip to The Turner Diaries Author?
 
https://babylonbee.com/news/pete-buttigieg-promises-to-investigate-ohio-railway-chemical-spill-for-signs-of-racism

Pete Buttigieg Promises To Investigate Ohio Railway Chemical Spill For Signs Of Racism
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Feb 13, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

EAST PALESTINE, OH — Residents of a small Ohio town have been forced to evacuate after a deadly spill of vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate chemicals from a train derailment caught fire and destroyed surrounding farmland, waterways, and livestock. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg was quick to respond, promising to investigate the tragedy for signs of racism.

"First of all, I want to reassure the citizens of East Palestine that I am still very gay," said the Transportation Secretary. "Also, I will do everything in my power to uncover the possible racist source of this deadly environmental disaster. Yes, East Palestine is a small Ohio Town full of white people, but we need to know how this may affect BIPOCS. I will leave no stone unturned."

Buttigieg has also not ruled out the possibility of foreign governments behind the incident. "Considering this happened in East Palestine, we shouldn't rule out a possible war crime perpetrated by the state of Israel," he said.

At publishing time, sources had confirmed Bill Gates had purchased all the land around East Palestine for a great price.
 
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