Video for abortion lovers

[Xenophage]

Hot.

 

[Kraig]

Hhmmm.... I have a friend whose husband lost his job, so he might be considered by some to be "leeching" off of his wife. According to your premise, should she be able to retroactively abort her husband?

No because she can easily end the leeching without killing him, that is obvious. It also isn't currently possible with the unborn.

 

[Bman]

Actually, I believe those are called issue-voters.

Sure and we are all kooks for voting for Ron Paul.

Labels exist and for some of us so does the term abortion nut.

Plus you'd probably be more accurate to call them single issue-voters. Which than we could sub-divide and call one of the sub-groups abortion nuts.

 

[Xenophage]

Bear in mind I am not religious.

I felt utter disgust and horror when I saw a video of a man being decapitated. The images of the fetuses are equally gross, but not as disturbing. The difference is because when I think of the man dying, I think of his thoughts, his feelings, his consciousness, his memories. The fetuses are genetically human like he is, but they do not possess a person. There is no identity. They do not possess a soul - and when I say soul, I don't mean anything spiritual.

You may say they have the ability to possess what I would consider a soul. To this, I only rebut that what IS is not what MIGHT be, and while I would not condone wanton abortion I do believe that if there is a choice between the life of a pre-person and the health and safety of an actual person, I would not sacrifice the actual person.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No because she can easily end the leeeching without killing him, that is obvious.

But, she can't do it instantaneously, which seems to be your argument for abortion. She'd have to go through a divorce.

It also isn't currently possible with the unborn.

Sure it is. Wait the few months until they are born and then give them up for adoption, if you want.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sure and we are all kooks for voting for Ron Paul.

Labels exist and for some of us so does the term abortion nut.

Plus you'd probably be more accurate to call them single issue-voters. Which than we could sub-divide and call one of the sub-groups abortion nuts.

Yeah, you could and we could also subdivide those who argue FOR abortion, as murderers.

I'm just sayin'....

 

[Kraig]

But, she can't do it instantaneously, which seems to be your argument for abortion. She'd have to go through a divorce.

Only under the current bullshit legal system.

Sure it is. Wait the few months until they are born and then give them up for adoption, if you want.

...and you are essentially forcing the woman to remain pregnant and take care of the child.

 

[Wulfslæd]

Bear in mind I am not religious.

I felt utter disgust and horror when I saw a video of a man being decapitated. The images of the fetuses are equally gross, but not as disturbing. The difference is because when I think of the man dying, I think of his thoughts, his feelings, his consciousness, his memories. The fetuses are genetically human like he is, but they do not possess a person. There is no identity. They do not possess a soul - and when I say soul, I don't mean anything spiritual.

You may say they have the ability to possess what I would consider a soul. To this, I only rebut that what IS is not what MIGHT be, and while I would not condone wanton abortion I do believe that if there is a choice between the life of a pre-person and the health and safety of an actual person, I would not sacrifice the actual person.

So, at what point do you make the distinction? A very young infant is essentially the same as the fetuses you describe. What thoughts, feelings, consciousness, memories does he have? Nothing different than he did a month or two earlier before being born.

 

[Kraig]

So, at what point do you make the distinction? A very young infant is essentially the same as the fetuses you describe. What thoughts, feelings, consciousness, memories does he have? Nothing different than he did a month or two earlier before being born.

You leave it in the hands of the mother and out of the hands of the state.

 

[Kraig]

Yeah, you could and we could also subdivide those who argue FOR abortion, as murderers.

I'm just sayin'....

I am not for abortion, I am also not for the state controlling what a mother does to her body.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Only under the current bullshit legal system.

True enough. So until that point in time that the legal system is fixed, it's ok in your book if the wife kills her leeching husband?

...and you are essentially forcing the woman to remain pregnant

Lame. Assuming no one forced her to spread her legs, there is a consequence to her actions. I mean, that's what we teach in libertarian land, right? Personal responsibility.

and take care of the child.

Nope. There's something called adoption, you know.

 

[Wulfslæd]

You leave it in the hands of the mother and out of the hands of the state.

That is not acceptable to me because as I described earlier, my opinion is that there is no difference between abortion and murder.

...and so we disagree. I must end this debate lest I show up late for work.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am not for abortion, I am also not for the state controlling what a mother does to her body.

I don't care what the mother does to her body either. However, I do care about the unborn and voiceless child. That said, I'm fine leaving it up to each state to decide how they want to handle it.

 

[Reason]

lol i am sorry but that guys accent totally wrecks the video

 

[Kraig]

True enough. So until that point in time that the legal system is fixed, it's ok in your book if the wife kills her leeching husband?

Not any more than it is right for me to kill the wellfare recipiants I pay taxes towards, which is wrong. The state is to blame.

Lame. Assuming no one forced her to spread her legs, there is a consequence to her actions. I mean, that's what we teach in libertarian land, right? Personal responsibility.

That is true but at the same time it takes two to concieve and some women get screwed over by lying bastards yet they are the ones who continue with all of the responbsibility.

Nope. There's something called adoption, you know.

Which, unless the mother is going to die from the pregnancy, I think is always the better option.

 

[Kraig]

I don't care what the mother does to her body either. However, I do care about the unborn and voiceless child. That said, I'm fine leaving it up to each state to decide how they want to handle it.

In that case would you be ok with the mother ingesting drugs that would completely retard the baby? That is worse to me, but at the same time it is still her body.

 

[Reason]

I would rather be aborted than be born to a druggy trailer trash mom.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I would rather be aborted than be born to a druggy trailer trash mom.

Hhmm.... So your premise is that because YOU would rather be aborted, that YOUR opinion should be forced on all other unborn? Isn't that like the same kind of thing that we get all over the socialists about?

In that case would you be ok with the mother ingesting drugs that would completely retard the baby? That is worse to me, but at the same time it is still her body.

No, it would not be ok. Any more than someone who decided to kill themselves in a car accident, but does so with a passenger in their car.

 

[Kraig]

No, it would not be ok. Any more than someone who decided to kill themselves in a car accident, but does so with a passenger in their car.

Well once again the passenger can leave the car, the unborn can't leave the mother's body. But we aren't going to get anywhere on this. I am honestly surprised I am saying all this because I hate abortion but whatever, letting the states decide is certainly better than the current federal subsidies.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well once again the passenger can leave the car, the unborn can't leave the mother's body. But we aren't going to get anywhere on this.

The passenger can't safely leave the car until it stops. Just as the baby can't safely leave the mother's womb until it's born.

I am honestly surprised I am saying all this because I hate abortion but whatever, letting the states decide is certainly better than the current federal subsidies.

We're just havin' a little fun is all. I too agree with letting the states decide.