Video for abortion lovers

[Bman]

Yeah, you could and we could also subdivide those who argue FOR abortion, as murderers.

I'm just sayin'....

Certainly. But I'm not for abortion. I'm for choice. I'm just saying I can't decide for someone else if they do or do not get an abortion.

The difference I see is that some want those people to be criminals. And since 80% of the newly created criminals would be women roughly between the ages of 15-24 I see no sense in it.

Now I agree that no tax money should go towards abortions. I wouldn't dare tell you how to spend your money. Nor would I dare have you tell me how to spend my money.

If you like to call me a murderer by all means though go ahead. I don't need people to like me. I just have to like myself.

 

[newbitech]

being a man, I will never know for myself the answer to this:

How can anyone conclude that what is happening inside the womb belongs to the woman and is a part of her body? I mean seriously, it takes a sperm and an egg to make this happen. I give the sperm, she gives the egg and we come up with something new.

So I also understand that the baby is attached to the mother and gets life inside of the womb from the mother. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the baby has its own blood type and must still process the nutrients in its own system. The mother only provides shelter, water, and "food". So to this point, once the baby is born and outside of the womb, how is this any different? I think termination of a healthy pregnancy should only be consider within the earliest stages.

We have a few scenarios that may cause moral problems.

1.) Rape
2.) Incest
3.) Immature Adolescent
4.) Clinical Emotional Disorder
5.) Mental Disorder

There may be others but those are on the top of my list.
I think in all of these cases, we should do everything to protect the well-being of both mothers and babies. We will have to treat each of these issues on an individual basis. And even then, I think we ought to limit the time frame of these decisions.

I have a hard time speaking on abortion or forming opinions about it. I paid for an abortion one time because I thought it was the right thing to do and in the best interest of the relationship. Even though I do not have the direct physiological connection as the mother to the unborn, I still feel the pain of that decision. I wish I never did that, but even though I did, I feel today that as the man, I didn't have a choice in the matter other than withholding the funds. She would have found a way to pay for it anyways.

I think one thing that gets overlooked in the abortion debate is the feelings of the man. The pro-choice people and individual rights people will all tell you how its the woman's body and she should be making the decisions about what is right for her. Well, I think at the very least, every abortion should have the father identified, and his opinion on what the woman will decide should be entered in to the record. That should be the basis of resolving the above moral issues as well. BOTH PARENTS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THAT WOMAN'S BODY, NOT JUST THE WOMAN.

 

[WarDog]

The Arrivals Series (Compiled). This vid puts the Occult right in the center

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/video-the-arrivals-series-compiled/

 

[Natalie]

In this video, a girl goes into planned parenthood and tells them she is 13 and was impregnated by a 31 year old man. It's a crime and PP is supposed to report it, but they don't. The nurse tells her to lie and say her boyfriend is her age. The nurse continues on to show the girl how she can cross state lines to get an abortion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLDGFzdPjBU&feature=PlayList&p=3CBF5022045E54EB&index=0&playnext=1

 

[Roxi]

dont you know abortion was illegal in most states untill the 70s?

and do you know how many women died or were seriously wounded from having back door abortions? Just like with guns... you can ban them all you want to, but the people that want them bad enough will still get them.

a friend of mine had an abortion at 18, she found out she was pregnant at about 4 and a half months along. she put a lot of alcohol and drugs into her body during that 4 months, she wasn't completely sure about who the father was, and she had no job or car. She chose to abort the baby based on these factors. I tried to talk her out of it and offered to keep her baby no matter how messed up it was. she ultimately chose to abort the baby and I don't blame her for it. I believe if abortion would have been illegal she would have found whatever outlet necessary to have the abortion whether it was unsafe or illegal. As would most women who believe having an abortion is the best thing to do.

no one is an "abortion lover" there are people who feel the same way about abortion as they do anything else which is that people have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. I am completely anti abortion, i think its sick and twisted but I am also against regulating it on a federal level. and possibly even on a state level, because from what I have seen, especially in my state, the states are being run like mafia's just like the fed is... there are a few people in power and what they say goes. I think it should be community specific and communities should decide what is best for their community.

 

[Kraig]

and do you know how many women died or were seriously wounded from having back door abortions? Just like with guns... you can ban them all you want to, but the people that want them bad enough will still get them.

a friend of mine had an abortion at 18, she found out she was pregnant at about 4 and a half months along. she put a lot of alcohol and drugs into her body during that 4 months, she wasn't completely sure about who the father was, and she had no job or car. She chose to abort the baby based on these factors. I tried to talk her out of it and offered to keep her baby no matter how messed up it was. she ultimately chose to abort the baby and I don't blame her for it. I believe if abortion would have been illegal she would have found whatever outlet necessary to have the abortion whether it was unsafe or illegal. As would most women who believe having an abortion is the best thing to do.

no one is an "abortion lover" there are people who feel the same way about abortion as they do anything else which is that people have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. I am completely anti abortion, i think its sick and twisted but I am also against regulating it on a federal level. and possibly even on a state level, because from what I have seen, especially in my state, the states are being run like mafia's just like the fed is... there are a few people in power and what they say goes. I think it should be community specific and communities should decide what is best for their community.

See that is exactly what I am talking about, it is a SHITTY situation but at the same time it is wrong to take the decision out of the mother's hands and give it to the state.

 

[Xenophage]

So, at what point do you make the distinction? A very young infant is essentially the same as the fetuses you describe. What thoughts, feelings, consciousness, memories does he have? Nothing different than he did a month or two earlier before being born.

That's an arguable position, but a distinction can be made because the infant is now a separate entity and separate body.

 

[sirachman]

you abortion nuts will be the end of our movement, thanks to your superstitious beliefs, which shouldn't even be a federal issue.

THIS. Take it elsewhere..

 

[Bman]

THIS. Take it elsewhere..

Ying and Yang. It will only disappear when the otherside does.

 

[Dripping Rain]

hhmm.... So your premise is that because you would rather be aborted, that your opinion should be forced on all other unborn? Isn't that like the same kind of thing that we get all over the socialists about?


No, it would not be ok. Any more than someone who decided to kill themselves in a car accident, but does so with a passenger in their car.

+10000000000000

 

[muh_roads]

 

[Dripping Rain]

like someone said:
The "right to choose" does not provide justification for abortion any more than it justified slavery. The logic of pro-abortionist is bad. Slave owners personally believed that black people were leeches not people and that they therefore had the "right to chose" to treat black people as mere property. Why didn't they have the "right to choose"? - obviously because the objective evidence shows that black people are people. Adolph Hitler also believed that Jewish people were leeches not people and that he had the "right to choose" to exterminate them like animals. Why didn't Hitler have "the right to choose"? - because the objective evidence shows that Jewish people are people. There is no inherent "right to choose" whether to treat people as people. To justify abortion, pro-abortionists must consider the objective evidence of whether an unborn baby is a human or not. Their reluctance to do this shows the weakness of their argument. Unborn babies can move, feel pain, suck their thumbs... they have virtually developed bodies even early in gestation. There is no compelling evidence that they are NOT human beings. And we have murdered for profit 4000 babies PER DAY in the USA alone as a result. And proabortionists continue to try to suppress and censor the discussion!

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

Murder is a federal crime

No it isn't.

Unless the victim is a federal official, an ambassador, consul or other foreign official under the protection of the United States, or if the crime took place on federal property or involved crossing state borders, or in a manner that substantially affects interstate commerce or national security, then the Federal Government also has jurisdiction. If a crime is not committed within any state, then Federal jurisdiction is exclusive: examples include the District of Columbia, naval or U.S.-flagged merchant vessels in international waters, or a U.S. military base.

 

[Bman]

This movement would be better served if the anti-abortion stance was about trying to convince people that they shouldn't opt for an abortion rather than make 15-24 year old women criminals.

It's just ridculous to believe making something illegal stops it. It's also ridiculous to think making young woman into criminals will some how make things better.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This movement would be better served if the anti-abortion stance was about trying to convince people that they shouldn't opt for an abortion rather than make 15-24 year old women criminals.

It's just ridculous to believe making something illegal stops it. It's also ridiculous to think making young woman into criminals will some how make things better.

Last time I knew, "this movement" supported states' rights. Said states' rights are all about not having a one-size-fits-all solution.

Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the decision left up to the states.

 

[Xenophage]

Last time I knew, "this movement" supported states' rights. Said states' rights are all about not having a one-size-fits-all solution.

Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the decision left up to the states.

I'm on the fence about that. I am in favor of state's rights but I am also pro-choice.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm on the fence about that. I am in favor of state's rights but I am also pro-choice.

Ok. There are several things that I am FOR too. But, I always try to stop myself and remember that if we're going to say to others that if it's not in the Constitution, the federal government shouldn't do it, then we probably ought to walk our talk too. Otherwise, how are we any better than the leftists on both sides of the aisle who are willing to use big government to force what they want forced, regardless of its constitutionality? Isn't the point that at the very minimum, we want to strip down the powers of the federal government to at least their enumerated powers in the Constitution? (Yes, I do understand that some want to go further).

 

[Working Poor]

I bet a cow would never ever consider having an abortion. I think that makes them superior to humans cause at least they respect life!!!

 

[Working Poor]

and another thing I bet a cow would never do to our babies what we do to theirs....

 

[Xenophage]

Ok. There are several things that I am FOR too. But, I always try to stop myself and remember that if we're going to say to others that if it's not in the Constitution, the federal government shouldn't do it, then we probably ought to walk our talk too. Otherwise, how are we any better than the leftists on both sides of the aisle who are willing to use big government to force what they want forced, regardless of its constitutionality? Isn't the point that at the very minimum, we want to strip down the powers of the federal government to at least their enumerated powers in the Constitution? (Yes, I do understand that some want to go further).

I am only a Constitutionalist to the point that I agree with a great deal of the Constitution, I believe its the best Constitution humanity has produced, and I believe that the rule of law is important to a free society... but the rule of law is only a value if the society IS free. If the law is unjust or perverted, then following it is of absolutely no value. Where I perceive the Constitution as conflicting with liberty, I will side with liberty.

The issue of abortion is contentious because the right to life is extended to all persons, and many of us consider an unborn fetus to be a person. I can understand their position, but I disagree that a fetus is a person. I believe that the mother, however, is a person.