Very damaging encounter on WKRN Nashville

I don't care who you are, or how optimistic you are, this is BAD PRESS for RP.

Yes, you and I and everyone here knows this is NOT the typical Ron Paul Supporter, but the MSM will have a HAY DAY with this.

It's bad, and if you don't see it that way, you're missing it.
Even if it's a LIE that she's a RP supporter....it is NEGATIVE.
 
Are we working for 9/11 Truth?

I've stayed the same since day one: Working to spread Dr. Paul's message. Not diluting it with conspiracy theories

You are the one mixing the message, you seem to overlook the fact that it is the message that ties us all together in a common cause. It is the strength of the message that enables such a diverse number of individuals from all over the spectrum to join together.

Being intolerant, unwilling or incapable of accepting the existence of supporters with "unpopular" opinions with in our political movement is pure poison.

The solution is tolerance and the courage to denounce the detractors with the simple truth:

People who support Ron Paul come from every part of the American spectrum and they represent a myriad of viewpoints, but the one common thing that unites us is the universal idea of freedom and individual liberty.
 
This kind of infighting accomplishes absolutely nothing and I'm personally getting tired of seeing it every time I come onto this forum. I have a suggestion for both groups that are arguing about this.

The Upset over 9/11 Truth being linked to Ron Paul Crowd:

What were you hoping to accomplish by putting forth this thread/whining about what has become commonplace? I'm being very serious here. Do you think that putting up this thread is really going to change the fact that some people think with their hearts instead of their heads? Do you really think that the Old Media is going to respect you more for decrying someone else having a different method of campaigning that might turn off some people? Do you think that Dr. Paul wants the kind of infighting that this is causing to occur on one of the forums that is trying to get his message out?

If you are upset about the fact that you are going to have to work a little harder to get the message out, deal with it. If it wasn't something like this, the media would come up with something else to marginalize Ron Paul. They don't like him, few of them will be convinced otherwise, and they are not going to help us. You can't control people by complaining about mistakes, which will inevitably happen no matter what, and going on tirades like this will only piss off our current base of support, which is made up of 9/11 truth people, like it or not.

If you want to be mad at someone get angry at the media, they were the ones who put out this garbage. And quit giving me this nonsense about "that's the way the game is played", I'm not in the mood for meaningless bromides, if you want to play the game by the rules of your enemies, you will lose, every time.

The Pro-Associate Paul with the 9/11 Truth Crowd:

I read a poll (I forgot where) stating that 53% of Americans don't believe that their government is not telling them the whole truth about 9/11, while this poll may not be fully representative of the facts, it suggests that there is a sizable voting block to go after, especially in college campuses. However, use your heads if you are going to try to win people from Dennis Kucinich/Mike Gravel's side to ours, and make sure that you don't overplay your hand by getting emotional and blurting out things that will come back to haunt you.

Keep 9/11 Truth separate from Paul until Paul himself states that he wants to be associated with it, otherwise you are not serving him. He goes on to Alex Jones show on occasion, so has Pat Buchanan, so has even Noam Chomsky, these individuals are not what I would call 9/11 Truth stock, unless you know something I don't.

P.S. - Outbursts like "If I can't shout out 9/11 was an inside job from a mountaintop without catching flack from other supporters of Ron Paul" are emotionally driven, they have no place in rational debates, think with your head please.


To Everybody:


Like it or not, we are going to have to learn to work together despite there being some radical differences in the way we view things, I'm sure Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine had similar moments to this one, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from originally freeing this country. Get over your differences and get back to work, your wasting time that could be spent sending letters to Iowa.
 
This kind of infighting accomplishes absolutely nothing and I'm personally getting tired of seeing it every time I come onto this forum. I have a suggestion for both groups that are arguing about this.

The Upset over 9/11 Truth being linked to Ron Paul Crowd:

What were you hoping to accomplish by putting forth this thread/whining about what has become commonplace? I'm being very serious here. Do you think that putting up this thread is really going to change the fact that some people think with their hearts instead of their heads? Do you really think that the Old Media is going to respect you more for decrying someone else having a different method of campaigning that might turn off some people? Do you think that Dr. Paul wants the kind of infighting that this is causing to occur on one of the forums that is trying to get his message out?

If you are upset about the fact that you are going to have to work a little harder to get the message out, deal with it. If it wasn't something like this, the media would come up with something else to marginalize Ron Paul. They don't like him, few of them will be convinced otherwise, and they are not going to help us. You can't control people by complaining about mistakes, which will inevitably happen no matter what, and going on tirades like this will only piss off our current base of support, which is made up of 9/11 truth people, like it or not.

If you want to be mad at someone get angry at the media, they were the ones who put out this garbage. And quit giving me this nonsense about "that's the way the game is played", I'm not in the mood for meaningless bromides, if you want to play the game by the rules of your enemies, you will lose, every time.

The Pro-Associate Paul with the 9/11 Truth Crowd:

I read a poll (I forgot where) stating that 53% of Americans don't believe that their government is not telling them the whole truth about 9/11, while this poll may not be fully representative of the facts, it suggests that there is a sizable voting block to go after, especially in college campuses. However, use your heads if you are going to try to win people from Dennis Kucinich/Mike Gravel's side to ours, and make sure that you don't overplay your hand by getting emotional and blurting out things that will come back to haunt you.

Keep 9/11 Truth separate from Paul until Paul himself states that he wants to be associated with it, otherwise you are not serving him. He goes on to Alex Jones show on occasion, so has Pat Buchanan, so has even Noam Chomsky, these individuals are not what I would call 9/11 Truth stock, unless you know something I don't.

P.S. - Outbursts like "If I can't shout out 9/11 was an inside job from a mountaintop without catching flack from other supporters of Ron Paul" are emotionally driven, they have no place in rational debates, think with your head please.


To Everybody:


Like it or not, we are going to have to learn to work together despite there being some radical differences in the way we view things, I'm sure Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine had similar moments to this one, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from originally freeing this country. Get over your differences and get back to work, your wasting time that could be spent sending letters to Iowa.

Oh, I agree, that we are all on the same page and all want the same thing, and yes, there will be some people who share views the masses don't share.


BUT...it doesn't mean the masses can't get pissed off because of it.
We are putting hard work, time and in many cases money towards this and this kind of publicity damages that hard work.

I realize you can't pick your poison, and we need to embrace ALL RP supporters, but sh!t like this does get under my skin.
 
As one of my favorite philosophers stated:

“Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person at the right time, and for the right purpose and in the right way - that is not within everyone's power and that is not easy.” (Aristotle)

Instead of visiting your anger on this woman who made a mistake while being forcefully removed (can anyone explain to me how we can have freedom of speech when public officials can order police to physically remove members of the press) maybe you ought to visit your anger on someone who is more responsible, the people who set the rules for this ridiculous game that some here insist we play.
 
Calling someone a truther is like a racist statement just because someone has a different viewpoint or has questions does not give others the right to call them names. They are doing exactly what the MSM and NEO want them to do so they can have control. As far as what she did, good for her she is doing the job the MSM doesn't have the grapefruits to do. Someone needs to ask the questions. Does anyone think Michelle Malkin, or Sean Hannity, or Wolf Blitzer will ask the questions that need to be answered. The Fact is he is a member of the CFR and the fact is the CFR
Is a globalist private organization bent on the creation of a One World Government
it’s well documented. Fred Thompson's campaign is controlled by Bush people they are in control of his campaign. I find it fascinating that if someone question
a position or anything to do with the government not acting in the best interest of the people that they are told they are crazy just like I live in a country that no longer has a Writ of Habeas Corpus. The constitution in this country is in shambles
The CFR has told Ron on public TV “THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN" GS@ABC
I want Fred to tell me exactly what he and the other CFR members are doing.
And another thing if I don't believe in God am I allowed to support Ron. If I believe that their is other life in the universe am I allowed to support Ron. If believe in something that someone else objects too does that mean I cannot support Ron alot of people need to get over themselves and stop calling people names because they have a different point of view or they may start saying you are not allowed to support Ron because of your point of view. I think what she did was brave and took alot of courage to do what she did she is fighting for what she believes in and I don't think Ron would want it any other way. In the Name of Patriotism who is the real patriot for it is the one who questions the government that is the true patriot "Ron Paul"
 
I think some people here are playing right into the hands of the media. The video has nothing to do with Ron Paul. The media is trying to give Ron Paul supporters a bad reputation by connecting this supposed Ron Paul supporter to activism. The media has already succeeded in portraying activists as fringe. Now they are trying to do that with Ron Paul supporters.

There was nothing the woman did that was wrong, though media won't ever present it that way. She was asking questions to a candidate about his membership in the CFR, and about the North American Union. Why? Because mainstream media won't ask those questions.

Here is another example of someone nearly being thrown out for asking the wrong questions. And this is a CIA veteran who questions Rumsfeld. Those people heckling the CIA agent remind me of some people here:

VIPS confronts Rumsfeld: Lies About Iraq War
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6246503171480972108

I think the bigger issue here is that we now live in a age where people get in trouble for "asking the wrong questions". And also, that mainstream media is trying to paint RP supporters as lunatics.

Trying to get the activists to stop, or trying to get the public to withold any discussion on these subjects only gives victory to the mainstream media and those who don't want these issues brought into light. You are playing into their hands.
 
I Knew It Was A Fred Hit Job

Found who reported the bumper stickers:

I went to the Fred Thompson rally in Houston today.
There was this screamin’ freaky banshee there. They had to haul her out. There was a guy with her that had a Ron Paul t-shirt on. I said to the reporters that she was a Ron Paul goon. Then she piped up I not w/ Ron Paul. ( LIE)
She was parked, two spots over from me. I watched her drive away in her car with Ron Paul stickers.
God what a nut job!

TheSitRep on July 25, 2007 at 4:42 PM

found way down the comments at:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/25/audio-ron-paul-shocked-to-find-hes-associated-with-trutherism/

with a home page linked to:
http://www.thesitrep.com/

which displays a Draft Fred banner.

--

The sky is not falling, there will be more of these attacks in the future as Ron gets more popular. In the words of my favorite BBC Radio Programe:
Don't Panic

eb
 
Why is this one small video making a splash on this forum? People, we are taking an isolated incident and blowing it way out of proportion. I didn't even know about the video when I saw it... and even upon viewing it I didn't care.

I didn't hear her mention Dr. Paul and even if she did, who cares.

LETS FOCUS ON THE BIG PICTURE.

That's getting some REAL exposure.

Please!
 
Exactly. In the eyes of the people, if they see 1 person carrying a Ron Paul banner and a 9/11 Truth sign, that's all they need to see. At the end of the article, it says that both this lady and a man were asked to leave events on this day for disturbing them, and that their car had a Ron Paul sticker on it

Then carry a RUdy Mc Romney sign and a 9/11 Truth sign....

Yell about how only <insert frontrunner> knows the real truth and should be elected.....

lol...it would at least be fun
 
I agree, we are overreacting about a video on an unimportant blog, but I sent the woman an email anyway asking her to remove the video from youtube.

Atleast we'll stop the damage before it can grow any bigger, spread to other blogs, etc.
 
Found who reported the bumper stickers:



found way down the comments at:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/25/audio-ron-paul-shocked-to-find-hes-associated-with-trutherism/

with a home page linked to:
http://www.thesitrep.com/

which displays a Draft Fred banner.

--

The sky is not falling, there will be more of these attacks in the future as Ron gets more popular. In the words of my favorite BBC Radio Programe:
Don't Panic

eb

Yes mm, hotair, and pajamas is michelle and she is owned by fox says it all. Like
they don't fix polls and the msm, or zobgy, rasmussen would never fix a poll uh huh! Sure I'm just crazy with foil on my head when I watch 1000 comments dissappear on CNN RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES or they delete my post every hour because it does not support Hillary or Fred its a conspiracy theory. This is a fight
that we will not win unless we are merciless because if Ron does not win this election if it happens at all we are in deep you know what
 
Then carry a RUdy Mc Romney sign and a 9/11 Truth sign....

Yell about how only <insert frontrunner> knows the real truth and should be elected.....

lol...it would at least be fun
Hey, that's not a BAD idea.
:D
 
I think the media has accomplished its goal, which was to get us to waste time bickering amongst ourselves while the Iowa Straw poll gets away from us, everyone here needs to put away their pride and back off. We are accomplishing absolutely nothing by having this conversation at all, period. This is a non-story and in my own opinion this was a waste of forum space, this thread should not have even been started.
 
Then carry a RUdy Mc Romney sign and a 9/11 Truth sign....

Yell about how only <insert frontrunner> knows the real truth and should be elected.....

lol...it would at least be fun


LOL, I actually suggested this a while ago.

It would be awesome to see a hillary or obama or romney rally with people sporting 911 truth signs.
 
How about "RUDY WILL PROTECT US FROM 9/11" or something equally bone-headed
 
Yes, anger is useful when focused to appropriate targets.

How to create an Angry American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ

Of course, one flaw in this video might be that one would think the Democratic leadership represent the "good guys", that would be misleading in my opinion.

I'll watch it again, maybe it indicts them as well....
 
I don't see any problem or negative here whatsoever. At this point, any MSM story about Ron Paul is just going to introduce more people to Ron Paul.

On top of that, there are probably more people that believe we haven't heard the whole, truthful story of how 9/11 happened then there are people who have heard of Ron Paul. To not want these people supporting Ron Paul would be simply... stupid. When the votes are counted, they are all equal. A story like this is much more likely to attract votes from 9/11 truthers than it is to scare away votes from other people. Sure, MSM is likely to blow it out of proportion. Let them. It will just bring more attention to Ron Paul.

I'm sick of people trying to police other Ron Paul supporters on this forum. Focus on what you can do for the campaign rather than what other people shouldn't be doing. Let Ron Paul and his campaign HQ decide who's support and votes he doesn't want... I haven't heard about him turning down any yet.

My thoughts on what Ron Paul could do to attract the support of the 9/11 truthers without turning away other voters:
There is currently a lot of secrecy in the executive branch, probably more than there has ever been, and most people don't like it. Ron Paul should come out and say that he will put an end to this secrecy, and release all documents to the public (obviously, some things do need to be kept secret for security reasons, but not most of it). This would give the 9/11 truthers a reason to support him without turning away other people. 9/11 truthers are very dedicated, and we do want them on our side. I'm sure there are also more closet 9/11 truthers than I'd care to guess at.
 
I think the media has accomplished its goal, which was to get us to waste time bickering amongst ourselves while the Iowa Straw poll gets away from us, everyone here needs to put away their pride and back off. We are accomplishing absolutely nothing by having this conversation at all, period. This is a non-story and in my own opinion this was a waste of forum space, this thread should not have even been started.

Right, there is nothing in that video that directly links her with Ron Paul. The only culprit here is the blog that automatically makes this association.
 
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