Very damaging encounter on WKRN Nashville

[Kuldebar]

If you're talking about the freedom to ruin his campaign. Well no, we're not in agreement on that. Your liberty extends to the point that it starts infringing on someone else's liberty. When someone takes actions that hurts this campaign, they are infringing on the liberty of the rest of Ron Paul's supporters. And no, they do NOT have that right.

Do you understand that if we lose this campaign, our country is probably GONE? Damn it.

Sorry, not buying that at all.

Freedom Speech is kind of nice, I think.

Unpopular/any type opinions belong to their owners. Don't legitimize the silly notion that because someone supports "A" then "A" must therefore support everything the supporter expresses.

Stop acting like this insanity is valid in any rational way.

 

[Shink]

yes sadly, some of our fellow supporters are 9/11 truthers and nothing and noone will convince them other wise. Some of our fellow supporters are white supremacists, too.

what can we do about this?

really, just stress and re-stress that we need to act as a cohesive group or RP won't win. There's not much else

Please stop lumping white supremacists in with people who disbelieve the government's conspiracy theory.

 

[Kuldebar]

I apologize for getting so pissed off in this thread. I'm just so tired of having to jump over this same hoop, over and over again, before I can get people to listen to Dr. Paul's message.

Well stop jumping through hoops and grow a backbone, lol.

"Many types of people support Ron Paul and each of us are separate and unique individuals. It's not that hard to understand."

Is that so hard?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Kuldebar.... when some people are spending enormous amounts of money and are jumping through all kinds of hoops to campaign for this man, it is not the right of someone else to come along and defecate all over their efforts. I'm sorry, it simply is not.

You do not have the right to infringe of my, or anyone else's liberty.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well stop jumping through hoops and grow a backbone, lol.

"Many types of people support Ron Paul and each of us are separate and unique individuals. It's not that hard to understand."

Is that so hard?

How old are you? Seriously. Why in hell would you want to create additional barriers to getting people to consider Ron Paul, that do not need to be there? I can see why someone would support such action if they were trying to destroy the campaign, but I cannot see it from someone who wants us to be successful in Dr. Paul winning the Republican nomination.

 

[Kuldebar]

Kuldebar.... when some people are spending enormous amounts of money and are jumping through all kinds of hoops to campaign for this man, it is not the right of someone else to come along and defecate all over their efforts. I'm sorry, it simply is not.

You do not have the right to infringe of my, or anyone else's liberty.

If you look at it that way no wonder you are inflamed about it, but I believe you should change your perspective on this because it causes more harm than benefit.

I am not forcefully denouncing you or calling for you voice to be ignored or belittled, so how you get the idea that I am somehow "impinging" upon your liberty is quite a hoot.

 

[aravoth]

We all know that Ron Paul doesn't believe in this conspiracy shit. But 90% of the american people that don't know anything about him might start thinking that if people run off at the mouth on the radio. I fail to see why some groups can't just shut thier mouths about it. Blah, Blah, Free speech, fine, say whatever the hell you want. If RP loses becuase a bunch of shitheads paint him as wearing a tin foil hat, figuring out witch Alien Overlord from Planet X gave birth to to the very same Bigfoot that caused 9/11 with the CIA's help, will be the least of your worries.

Dragging RP into your own opinions is selfish. Plain and simple. When you associate RP with shit like that, you make him an accsessory. And you know you do. There are a myriad of other paces to call in and talk about all these things. Alex Jones, Coast to Coast, yadda, yadda. Use them, don't use Ron Paul.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you look at it that way no wonder you are inflamed about it, but I believe you should change your perspective on this because it causes more harm than benefit.

I am not forcefully denouncing you or calling for you voice to be ignored or belittled, so how you get the idea that I am somehow "impinging" upon your liberty is quite a hoot.

Tying a personal movement or a personal agenda to Dr. Paul is crossing the line and you do not have the right to do so.

Understand now?

 

[Quantumystic]

We're not caving into anyone. We're recognizing the reality of the world and the fact that most people will see one example of a Ron Pau supporter screaming hysterically about 9/11 and that's all they need to see to become convinced. We may not base our political decisions on such things but the truth is that most people are. Hell, studies have shown that people favor the taller candidate regardless of the message. This is what we're dealing with here.

Now if you want to naively believe that this does not affect the Paul campaign in a negative way, you need to step back and re-examine things



Well, the 9/11 Truth movement is not part of our campaign, so we're not contradicting anything. I dont want that associated with Dr. Paul's campaign and neither does he.

Whoah there, people.

Are you hearing yourselves?

While I certainly agree it is wise to remain discreet and avoid speaking about "9/11 Truth" when speaking about Ron Paul, as a matter of Choice... a few of you are beginning to come across as sounding like the kind of intolerance we KNOW the Doctor rejects.

Something else we KNOW about Ron Paul... is that he CHOOSES to appear fairly regularly w/ Alex Jones.

So the statement that RP doesn't want any associaition w/ the "Truther" circles... clearly fails in light of the the readily observable.

The idea that the "greater good of the campaign" justifies demanding others NOT be allowed to speak their consciensce... is NeoCon Dogma. Absolutely NO different from the gutting of our Consitutional Rights that the Bush admin has undertaken. And adopting that kind of attitude not only does a great disservice to the spirit of the campaign... it is a disservice to the character of the man.

 

[Razmear]

Av, the video creator never once mentioned Ron Paul, nor indicated in any way publicly that she was a Ron Paul supporter during the incident.
This is a media hit job, plain and simple. That local station added the Ron Paul connection all on their own.

eb

 

[rpliving]

Call them up whats their number.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He doesn't want it to be inferred that he agrees with the Truthers! Why is that so difficult for a few to understand? He doesn't agree with them. Some refuse to accept that. But, it's the truth nonetheless.

 

[Kuldebar]

How old are you? Seriously. Why in hell would you want to create additional barriers to getting people to consider Ron Paul, that do not need to be there? I can see why someone would support such action if they were trying to destroy the campaign, but I cannot see it from someone who wants us to be successful in Dr. Paul winning the Republican nomination.

Barriers? Look to your own hands, you are the one attempting to shut people out and exclude, not I.

 

[kylejack]

Whoah there, people.

Are you hearing yourselves?

While I certainly agree it is wise to remain discreet and avoid speaking about "9/11 Truth" when speaking about Ron Paul, as a matter of Choice... a few of you are beginning to come across as sounding like the kind of intolerance we KNOW the Doctor rejects.

Something else we KNOW about Ron Paul... is that he CHOOSES to appear fairly regularly w/ Alex Jones.

So the statement that RP doesn't want any associaition w/ the "Truther" circles... clearly fails in light of the the readily observable.

The idea that the "greater good of the campaign" justifies demanding others NOT be allowed to speak their consciensce... is NeoCon Dogma. Absolutely NO different from the gutting of our Consitutional Rights that the Bush admin has undertaken. And adopting that kind of attitude not only does a great disservice to the spirit of the campaign... it is a disservice to the character of the man.

I was with you for most of your post, but now who's going too far? Asking people not to say certain things has little to do with the government prohibiting people from saying things. One is no more than a request while the other is an enforced dictate.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Av, the video creator never once mentioned Ron Paul, nor indicated in any way publicly that she was a Ron Paul supporter during the incident.
This is a media hit job, plain and simple. That local station added the Ron Paul connection all on their own.

eb

I agree, although I think it is probably true that they did have a RP sticker on their car. The media capitalized on it, because they are looking for shock journalism. That's why I think we have to be very aware of our actions, because a lot of the media have made it quite clear their agenda is to marginalize him.

 

[Kuldebar]

We all know that Ron Paul doesn't believe in this conspiracy shit. But 90% of the american people that don't know anything about him might start thinking that if people run off at the mouth on the radio. I fail to see why some groups can't just shut thier mouths about it. Blah, Blah, Free speech, fine, say whatever the hell you want. If RP loses becuase a bunch of shitheads paint him as wearing a tin foil hat, figuring out witch Alien Overlord from Planet X gave birth to to the very same Bigfoot that caused 9/11 with the CIA's help, will be the least of your worries.

Dragging RP into your own opinions is selfish. Plain and simple. When you associate RP with shit like that, you make him an accsessory. And you know you do. There are a myriad of other paces to call in and talk about all these things. Alex Jones, Coast to Coast, yadda, yadda. Use them, don't use Ron Paul.

Because groups don't have mouths and people are individuals. We need to get away from this idea that we can control information and the opinions of others.

Take our lumps and deal with it. Be honest, of course we have differences, we aren't ditto-heads!

Ron Paul speaks for himself very well.

We can't make the world safe and bubble wrapped for intellectually lazy people, they are going to either remain ignorant and misinformed or burn some energy by thinking for themselves.

What you subsidize, you get more of...after all. Stop feeding the sheep.

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

I don't get the rationale behind anyone supporting this completely obnoxious woman who is not at all helping our campaign. No logical supporter of Ron Paul would see this as anything but hurtful to our campaign

Do you like having <1% of the vote? That's where we are headed if this does not stop.

Are you naive about the fact that Americans are turned off by FALSELY linking Dr. Paul to 9/11 Truth or are you just so self-absorbed that you do not care that you are sinking the campaign of the greatest hope of our lifetime?

Most truthers are able to separate their views from the campaign. Why is it that a select few feel it is their God-given duty to link Ron Paul with THEIR personal views? I have not once advanced any of my views which Dr. Paul does not share.

GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION is a very real thing in the world. I think it really sucks but that is how things are. You can disagree with it all you want but it is not going away. You are trying to sell your message to the American public. Suggesting that our government killed 3000 of its own citizens is going to turn offf 99% of Americans including MANY Ron Paul supporters such as myself. The average person does not research the issues. John McCain lost South Carolina in 2000 largely because it was falsely suggested that he fathered an illegitimate African-American child. See how this works?

So guys, how about we stop pulling this kind of bullshit and let's leave the message to Dr. Paul? K?

 

[mdh]

I don' believe this is helpful.
http://www.news2wkrn.com/vv/2007/07/25/ron-paul-supporter-confronts-fred-thompson-her-video/

What the heck? Not helpful? They didn't mention Ron Paul, they just happened to have a bumper sticker on their car. Yeesh.

 

[Kuldebar]

I don't get the rationale behind anyone supporting this completely obnoxious woman who is not at all helping our campaign. No logical supporter of Ron Paul would see this as anything but hurtful to our campaign

Do you like having <1% of the vote? That's where we are headed if this does not stop.

Are you naive about the fact that Americans are turned off by FALSELY linking Dr. Paul to 9/11 Truth or are you just so self-absorbed that you do not care that you are sinking the campaign of the greatest hope of our lifetime?

Most truthers are able to separate their views from the campaign. Why is it that a select few feel it is their God-given duty to link Ron Paul with THEIR personal views? I have not once advanced any of my views which Dr. Paul does not share.

GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION is a very real thing in the world. I think it really sucks but that is how things are. You can disagree with it all you want but it is not going away

So guys, how about we stop pulling this kind of bullshit and let's leave the message to Dr. Paul? K?

So, victory by any means? Even if it means working counter to the very thing you profess to be working for?

And, this discussion is largely unrelated to the video posted in the OP. It's more related to the notion that maybe people need to develop thicker skins about other folk's opinions.

Ron Paul certainly doesn't have a big issue with it because he gets it, freedom means you have to be willing to accept that other people aren't going to be just like you.

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

So, victory by any means? Even if it means working counter to the very thing you profess to be working for?

Are we working for 9/11 Truth?

I've stayed the same since day one: Working to spread Dr. Paul's message. Not diluting it with conspiracy theories