Very damaging encounter on WKRN Nashville

[bygone]

Heck, don't doubt for a second that if some guy in a KKK robe heckled Obama and then drove away in a car adorned with Hillary bumper stickers that the press would not make note of it.

Takes notes... lol

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

I'm going to say one more thing.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, PERCEPTION MATTERS. In fact, it is all that matters in a campaign.

Exactly.

And you do have to "play by the collectivist playbook". It's called living in the real world. You need the majority of the votes to win, so you gotta aim your message at average Americans. If you think you can do that by allowing people to shriek "our government killed 3000 of our citizens" at the top of their lungs and expect to get more than .1% of the vote, you're in for a rude awakening, friend.

 

[Kuldebar]

So basically, you're saying that we need to cram down potential Republican supporters throats that they need to change their idea of the way society should work. And after that, for the 1 or 2 that are still listening to us, then we can tell them about Ron Paul's campaign and attempt to get their support.

Is that what you are suggesting. If so, interesting approach to campaigning.

Cram?

You don't cram or force anybody to do anything simply by sticking to principles.

You aren't going to sell freedom very well if you become an authoritarian in order to avoid some name calling.

Seriously, get some courage and gain a little confidence in what freedom loving people can accomplish when they come together.

 

[paulitics]

Listen if we start attacking those who may or may not have a sticker on a car, that expresses a viewpoint to Fred Thompson mainly about the CFR, that had no mention of Ron Paul...we are just as bad as Fox News and Bill Oreilly. In fact we are doing their job for them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Cram?

You don't cram or force anybody to do anything simply by sticking to principles.

You aren't going to sell freedom very well if you become an authoritarian in order to avoid some name calling.

Seriously, get some courage and gain a little confidence in what freedom loving people can accomplish when they come together.

This is what I want to accomplish.

First getting Ron Paul the Republican nomination.

And then getting him elected President.

If we're going to do that, we need to stay focused on that goal and not go off on tangents, creating barriers that we will need to break through to get anyone to take a look at Ron Paul and HIS principles and stances on the issues.

Our own personal principles and stances on issues matter very little right now. Stay focused on Dr. Paul.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I AM focused on Dr. Paul.

That's why I'm taking the lemons the MSM is tossing and turning them into lemonade.

Take their negative and use it to create a positive.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Cram?

You don't cram or force anybody to do anything simply by sticking to principles.

You aren't going to sell freedom very well if you become an authoritarian in order to avoid some name calling.

Seriously, get some courage and gain a little confidence in what freedom loving people can accomplish when they come together.

Whose principles? Yours?

By the way, it's not a "principle" to require people to change their views on how society will work. And by requiring it, you are constructing a barrier between the people we need to bring over into the Ron Paul camp and Dr. Paul.

It is no way to win an election. Surely you must know that.

Listen folks, if you think Republicans are going to take seriously, much less support, a candidate who they believe thinks our government carried out 9-11, you have another thing coming. He doesn't need to be spending valuable interview time explaining how he doesn't agree with this bullshit. He needs to be talking about his own stances. Things like secure borders, real free trade agreements. the proper role of government, sound money, states' rights, etc.

Give the man a break.

 

[Gee]

Candidates often hiring people to overtly blog for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they had other people do something like this to discredit other candidates. Its certainly effective. If I was a cut-throat politician running against Dr. Paul, I'd sure as hell do it.

 

[bygone]

You know, MsDoodahs makes a point. Could be risky, but an article or three about this event with the spin that "truthers" seem to believe Paul, despite the fact he doesn't see nine eleven their way, and despite the fact he is a republican from Texas, and despite the fact that they distrust everything about the government, might not be such a bad idea. ;S

 

[Kuldebar]

Exactly.

And you do have to "play by the collectivist playbook". It's called living in the real world. You need the majority of the votes to win, so you gotta aim your message at average Americans.

Individuals working together or alone make the reality either by following the script without a challenge or by refusing to sit in the back of the bus.

If you think you can do that by allowing people to shriek "our government killed 3000 of our citizens" at the top of their lungs and expect to get more than .1% of the vote, you're in for a rude awakening, friend.

If you seriously fear this, then you should consider yourself blissfully fortunate. There are far more fear mongering opportunities that statist opponents can mine from any number of positions that Ron Paul has espoused over the years. Misinformation and smears requires very little substance; and you worry about the views of some supporters being used against Paul? We should be so lucky!

I suggest to you that you stop worrying about the little stuff, it's more your Achilles heel than the campaigns. This weakness can only become effective if some supporters continue to be intolerant of other supporters. It comes down to individual choice.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Our own personal principles ... matter very little right now.

Um....that's unacceptable to me.

If I have to compromise my personal principles in order to support Dr. Paul, then I won't do it.

Stances on issues, yes, I agree that mine are irrelevant when campaigning for Dr. Paul.

Not my principles, though...

 

[LibertyEagle]

Um....that's unacceptable to me.

If I have to compromise my personal principles in order to support Dr. Paul, then I won't do it.

Stances on issues, yes, I agree that mine are irrelevant when campaigning for Dr. Paul.

Not my principles, though...

I agree with you on that. I think you know what I was referring to though.

 

[Kuldebar]

Whose principles? Yours?

By the way, it's not a "principle" to require people to change their views on how society will work. And by requiring it, you are constructing a barrier between the people we need to bring over into the Ron Paul camp and Dr. Paul.

It is no way to win an election. Surely you must know that.

Listen folks, if you think Republicans are going to take seriously, much less support, a candidate who they believe thinks our government carried out 9-11, you have another thing coming. He doesn't need to be spending valuable interview time explaining how he doesn't agree with this bullshit. He needs to be talking about his own stances. Things like secure borders, real free trade agreements. the proper role of government, sound money, states' rights, etc.

Well, forgive me for assuming that you were in agreement with the idea that freedom is popular and that the message of liberty unites us.

 

[SWATH]

1. I like the "9/11 was an inside job" people
2. I liked her original questions
3. I liked how she had a Ron Paul bumber sticker
4. I did not like Fred's non-answer
5. I did not like her screaming like a maniac towards the end about WTC7
6. I did not like the combination of 3 and 5

How ever stupid, because of this incident Ron Paul is taking a serious beating on other forums, even though it had nothing to do with Ron Paul. This is not helping his cause and just further marginalizes him, while giving more ammo to the Fred Thompson people.

Her original questions were great, people should be showing up and asking these questions since the degenerate media journalists will not. However, please don't wave a Ron Paul sign while you do it, and don't let the media tie you to him because you know it will just spawn another hit piece.

(BTW, most of the beatings are coming from idiots who still thing the NAU is just a looney, whacky, kooky conspiracy theory)

 

[MsDoodahs]

You know, MsDoodahs makes a point. Could be risky, but an article or three about this event with the spin that "truthers" seem to believe Paul, despite the fact he doesn't see nine eleven their way, and despite the fact he is a republican from Texas, and despite the fact that they distrust everything about the government, might not be such a bad idea. ;S

Okay, I will ask here:

Is it a rotten idea to take that concept and write something and put it out there on the net via a blog?

Or do you guys think it would do more harm than good?

eta: I may do it anyway, especially after reading the post that appears above this one about Dr. Paul "taking a beating" on other forums. Not that it will do ANY good...

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, forgive me for assuming that you were in agreement with the idea that freedom is popular and that the message of liberty unites us.

If you're talking about the freedom to ruin his campaign. Well no, we're not in agreement on that. Your liberty extends to the point that it starts infringing on someone else's liberty. When someone takes actions that hurts this campaign, they are infringing on the liberty of the rest of Ron Paul's supporters. And no, they do NOT have that right.

Do you understand that if we lose this campaign, our country is probably GONE? Damn it.

 

[Razmear]

Found another video by her, not bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8O1bUfRi3Q&mode=related&search=
Houston911truth.org Why the Hell is Giuliani in Texas?

Honestly, I'm glad she's on our side.

eb

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, that is pretty good, Razmear.

 

[kylejack]

Found another video by her, not bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8O1bUfRi3Q&mode=related&search=
Houston911truth.org Why the Hell is Giuliani in Texas?

Honestly, I'm glad she's on our side.

eb

Giuliani raised more money in Texas than any other candidate.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I apologize for getting so pissed off in this thread. I'm just so tired of having to jump over this same hoop, over and over again, before I can get people to listen to Dr. Paul's message.