Ventura trying to take over Ron's Organization?

[Perry]

2012 Ticket: Jesse / Dr. Paul !

Paul has a better chance than Jesse any day of the week. Paul/Jesse.

 

[GoSlash27]

This is a Campaign for Liberty, not the campaign for Ron Paul any longer.

If Ventura is one of our candidates in the future, that would be great for us all.

Agreed. No matter what career decisions follow for Dr. Paul, he will always be the father and intellectual progenitor of the modern liberty movement, much like the late, great Sen. Goldwater established the tone and thought for his generation.
This is not a mere Presidential campaign any longer; it is a movement. Our candidates will be where we find them, and it seems to me that former Governor Ventura, USN (ret.) has already established his right to be counted among our ranks by his words and deeds.
There are many of us who have also eschewed party affiliation out of disgust at the current state of both parties. I don't hold that against him, but Jesse Ventura is a Ron Paul Republican whether or not he realizes it.
His tenure in Minnesota was both the most popular and controversial in that state's history. It is no coincidence that the candidate we put in the White House (and make no mistake; we will someday) will establish the same legacy.
I say we embrace him, 'troofer' warts and all.
He is one of us.

 

[JohnMeridith]

The trouble with Ventura is that he's so arrogant. Yes he's always attempting to steal everyone's steam. I thought it was blatantly obvious what he was doing and has been doing for some time.
When it comes to Ventura it's always about me me me.
If they ask about Ron it's about me me me.
What do you expect from a wwf superstar?
I support him primarily because in office he makes increasingly wise political decisions and learns from his mistakes. Also he is fearless. His character however leaves something to be desired.

The thing that is overlooked is that Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul aren't looking to gain anything from holding high offices in the land other than historical notoriety. There were few other guys that come to mind like them...Sam Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and so on.

 

[IPSecure]

Mutually Assured Liberty!

 

[bojo68]

I too have a little problem with Jesse. One of the biggest is the fact that in his Minnesota, after he was Governor, the police state antics and civil rights abuses continue just like everywhere else. All the bluster aside, I don't see any lasting positive effect here, or at least certainly not enough.
So, just exactly what does his record show he'd be likely to do?

 

[Rangeley]

I too have a little problem with Jesse. One of the biggest is the fact that in his Minnesota, after he was Governor, the police state antics and civil rights abuses continue just like everywhere else. All the bluster aside, I don't see any lasting positive effect here, or at least certainly not enough.
So, just exactly does his record show he'd be likely to do?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact he disappeared to Mexico? I just don't see a good level of commitment there.

 

[raiha]

I looked in vain for tv coverage of the rally. didn't see anything at all until Jesse appeared on Larry King. I for one was happy to see his Benjamin Franklin face. He could be his rebirth. So ..relying on you lot for you tubes. I'm upside down and back to front over here.

 

[gls]

I looked in vain for tv coverage of the rally. didn't see anything at all until Jesse appeared on Larry King. I for one was happy to see his Benjamin Franklin face. He could be his rebirth. So ..relying on you lot for you tubes. I'm upside down and back to front over here.

This looks like it has the whole rally (although not as high-quality as the cspan broadcast): http://www.beyouonline.com/Rally for the Republic.html

 

[jyakulis]

I thought the whole point of the organization is to work to get liberty minded candidates elected to office at all levels. I think he was just asking for help doing in this.

I don't think Paul meant the cfl to be some cheesy organization with a news letter and a yearly banquet. It's about infiltrating the damn government with freedom lovers and helping spread the message of liberty....just my 2 cents.

 

[kathy88]

Does anyone else get the impression that Ventura might be trying to take over Ron's base of supporters for a 2012 White House run?


Granted I don't agree with some of the things he said yesterday, however I would still rather have him as President rather than the two clowns that are running now.


Thoughts? Opinions?

Here's a thought. Lay off the crack. What is it with all the negativity coming form you lately? I used to really enjoy your posts, but not any more.

 

[strapko]

If this movement is about an individual, prepare to lose.

 

[bojo68]

Here's a thought. Lay off the crack. What is it with all the negativity coming form you lately? I used to really enjoy your posts, but not any more.

Fungus of the Humungus, don't know who you are, but your presence sure brings joy to the world.

Make ya a deal, I'd really like to NOT know who you are either.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

Ventura has a presence that Dr. Paul just doesn't have. If someone doesn't like what RP is talking about, they just ignore him. Most can't do that with Ventura. They'll continue to listen just because he has the ability to keep them interested. I love RP and thank him tremendously for starting the Revolution but if someone is going to finish it, Jesse will be that man.

My thoughts exactly. Jesse has "that" presence...booming voice, very direct, commands attention.

Ron's message, integrity and philosophy are completely sublime, but Jesse has more of the 'X' factor that everyone (especially fickle people who vote based on emotion, body language and all that BS) is drawn to.

 

[bojo68]

Excuse me...

Ok, I'm old. So, ya know that I know that brains don't impress the general public. But is it to much to ask, that when starting a new movement, that the people put forth actually have both brains and IQ???
I don't know about you people, but personally, I'm damn tired of never ending morons for candidates.
If we're going to build a NEW movement, how about let's incorporate some brains and integrity into it?
Right NOW, we have that ability...

 

[Matt Collins]

Here's a thought. Lay off the crack. What is it with all the negativity coming form you lately? I used to really enjoy your posts, but not any more.

Here's a thought... what's with the personal attacks?


Is there a problem with me asking an open ended question and asking people what their thought's are? Have I even stated an opinion on the subject?

 

[Matt Collins]

I'm not sure "take over" is the right term but he sure is piggy-backing if nothing else.

Piggy backing is a good term, so is "hi-jacking". Again it's just a feeling I got yesterday and even if he is, I don't know how I feel about it. Honestly I don't know much about Ventura or his stances on things. But I do think he gave a great speech yesterday that really energized the crowd.

 

[bojo68]

Piggy backing is a good term, so is "hi-jacking". Again it's just a feeling I got yesterday and even if he is, I don't know how I feel about it. Honestly I don't know much about Ventura or his stances on things. But I do think he gave a great speech yesterday that really energized the crowd.

Jesse's kinda ok, but you know what, you wanna know what's been missing from any candidate for decades? both brains and integrity. Jesse, to me at least, is to much all "me, me, Me". Now Run a Gary Johnson/Andrew Napolitano ticket, and you'll beat down the doors of the world.

 

[Matt Collins]

Now Run a Gary Johnson/Andrew Napolitano ticket, and you'll beat down the doors of the world.

I would LOVE to have seen the Judge at the rally. I e-mailed him and asked if he would be there and he said he would not. I think he was invited but could't make it for whatever reason. When one does a daily radio show it's though to break away from that.

 

[kathy88]

Here's a thought... what's with the personal attacks?


Is there a problem with me asking an open ended question and asking people what their thought's are? Have I even stated an opinion on the subject?

I guess it was the "reporting" from the summit, Matt, to be truthful. There are other threads you started more deserving of my comments, to be sure, but I had neither the inclination nor the stomache to go through your posts and find them. I strongly feel there is some other motivation driving you. Nothing is good enough, no speaker is good enough, you are overly critical of everything. This is a grassroots effort just getting off the ground. There will be ideas tossed around until some form of organization grows from that. I think you are overly critical, and for me it is getting old. That was the point I was trying, but failed to make. Let this thing unfold without the world according to Matt. With regard to this specific thread. I don't think Ventura was trying to do anything other than give hes speech and rile up the troops, so to speak. You suggested something rather underhanded which I feel was unnecessary. I apologize for the crack comment. I get very little speel these days, and I'm of short temper.

 

[Matt Collins]

I strongly feel there is some other motivation driving you.

Well unfortunately you are incorrect. My only goal is to change the country for the better. Currently it looks like the CFL and the goals it lists seem to be the best vehicle in place to do this sort of thing.

Nothing is good enough, no speaker is good enough, you are overly critical of everything.

Woah. That is not true. I thought a lot of the program was very very well done. Keep in mind that I put on professional events for a living so I have an idea better than most of what is well done and what isn't.

I think you are overly critical, and for me it is getting old. Let this thing unfold without the world according to Matt.

Sorry if you don't like constructive criticism then feel free to ignore my posts.

You suggested something rather underhanded which I feel was unnecessary.

Not underhanded, but strategic. I am looking at the long-term strategy of Ventura. It looks like he wants to use us to get him a good run at the White House in 2012. He didn't really say that, but that's what it looks like to me.

I don't think there is much of anything wrong with that, but I don't know that much about Ventura.

I apologize for the crack comment. I get very little speel these days, and I'm of short temper.

Thank you. It's welcome. I appreciate you disagreeing without being disagreeable.