US Navy murders Venezuelan citizens on the open seas

[Occam's Banana]

The funniest(?) part of the battlefield theory is that, in this scenario, the entire world must be considered a battlefield to achieve the desired end state.

Well, they don't call it a "Global War on Terror Drugs Fatty Acids" for nothing.

 

[nikcers]

Murdering everyone would make the world a lot more orderly.

Chaos is the best way to achieve that too.

 

[TheCount]

https://x.com/NotGovernor/status/1963722706555478216

If they were cartel members (violent beasts) then I don't much care if someone explodes them. Do I trust the US Gov beasts to not do this to innocents though? Hell no. Do I want them restrained by "due process" magic spells? Well, I want them restrained in every way possible—so sure, I'll take what I can get.

I can't possibly imagine any future negative consequences of the president having the authority to preemptively murder anyone, anywhere with precisely zero due process.


Pepperidge Farm remembers a time when the majority on this forum thought poorly of presidential drones strikes even in an actual warzone with congressional authorization.

Now, apparently, the president needs neither the warzone nor the permission of congress.

Gee I wonder what the difference might be

 

[nikcers]

I can't possibly imagine any future negative consequences of the president having the authority to preemptively murder anyone, anywhere with precisely zero due process.


Pepperidge Farm remembers a time when the majority on this forum thought poorly of presidential drones strikes even in an actual warzone with congressional authorization.

Now, apparently, the president needs neither the warzone nor the permission of congress.

Gee I wonder what the difference might be

Well thats because the wars in the middle east were sold to us on the idea of preventing war through preventative war.

Thats an argument that requires if not demands substantive debate.

What's happening in South America is an example of the Trump doctrine.

Certain governments in South America have gotten uncomfortably close with people that threaten the United States.

This is through dictatorial rule and being propped up by adversarial nations.

These types of threats aren't new. The USA is just doing something about it because we have a smart president.

 

[acptulsa]

Well thats because the wars in the middle east were sold to us on the idea of preventing war through preventative war...

These types of threats aren't new. The USA is just doing something about it because we have a smart president.

That's right. No one can deny that if you burn down your own house you don't have to worry about your house burning down any more.

Of course, it takes a sociopathic narcissist to actually advocate doing the smart thing by doing something that completely stupid. Or a bot. Same thing.

 

[nikcers]

That's right. No one can deny that if you burn down your own house you don't have to worry about your house burning down any more.

Of course, it takes a sociopathic narcissist to actually advocate doing the smart thing by doing something that completely stupid. Or a bot. Same thing.

Sometimes you just have to fight for your rights.

We do that so that the bad guys don't take them away.

If sociopathic tendencies weren't a survivable trait to have then they wouldn't exist in the gene pool.

You have to fight fire with fire to defeat the real sociopaths.

Some of them are frankly necessary- "deceitfulness and manipulation"

Can you imagine winning a war without using deception?

We wouldn't have a country without that.

 

[TheCount]

What's happening in South America is an example of the Trump doctrine.

Certain governments in South America have gotten uncomfortably close with people that threaten the United States.

This is through dictatorial rule and being propped up by adversarial nations.

These types of threats aren't new. The USA is just doing something about it because we have a smart president.

When both your supposed problems and your supposed solutions are the same as the situation in the middle east two decades ago, no one is going to believe you when you say it's different this time.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/NotGovernor/status/1963722706555478216

If they were cartel members (violent beasts) then I don't much care if someone explodes them. Do I trust the US Gov beasts to not do this to innocents though? Hell no. Do I want them restrained by "due process" magic spells? Well, I want them restrained in every way possible—so sure, I'll take what I can get.

"If". That is the key word. Because of the word "if", we have due process to attempt to determine "if".

And what about the punishment fitting the crime? Being on a boat that is transporting something that the government has determined is contraband has a punishment of "being exploded"? Aren't cartels notorious for forcing ordinary people to work for them? "Hey kid, you're loading and unloading cargo tonight".

No one is mourning proven murderers being giving the death penalty. But some may mourn the loss of all of our rights (and civility) being exploded.

 

[nikcers]

When both your supposed problems and your supposed solutions are the same as the situation in the middle east two decades ago, no one is going to believe you when you say it's different this time.

The middle east was a different kind of problem because the middle east didn't invade us.

Venezula is basically a failed state and millions of people have been fleeing Venezuela and a lot of them have been coming here to claim the United States as theirs.

That was the democrat policy to just let the Venezuelans invade and do nothing about it.

Stopping the invasion is the only real solution.

 

[TheCount]

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The middle east was a different kind of problem because the middle east didn't invade us.

Venezula is basically a failed state and millions of people have been fleeing Venezuela and a lot of them have been coming here to claim the United States as theirs.

That was the democrat policy to just let the Venezuelans invade and do nothing about it.

Stopping the invasion is the only real solution.

It's amazing how every post is it's own separate response with no connection to any previous or future post.

Are you attempting to imply that the drug traffickers on the speedboat were on their way to immigrate?

Anyway, there are more middle easterners than Venezuelans in the US and immigration is not invasion.

 

[nikcers]

It

It's amazing how every post is it's own separate response with no connection to any previous or future post.

Are you attempting to imply that the drug traffickers on the speedboat were on their way to immigrate?

Anyway, there are more middle easterners than Venezuelans in the US and immigration is not invasion.

When a foreign government forces people to invade our country its an invasion and its an act of war.

They even took the government to court when the government tried to deport them.

So there is no consent involved here. Consent means you can say no. You can't even tell these people no. They use lawfare to try to steal your country.

 

[nikcers]

The United States has ordered the deployment of 10 F-35 fighter jets to a Puerto Rico airfield for operations targeting drug cartels

US deploying stealth fighter jets to Caribbean for drug fight as tensions with Venezuela rise, sources say

The disclosure came hours after the Pentagon accused Venezuela of a "highly provocative" flight on Thursday by fighter jets over a U.S. Navy warship.

www.reuters.com

 

[acptulsa]

It's amazing how every post is it's own separate response with no connection to any previous or future post.

It's obviously programmed to distract, deflect, deflate and deny. It's no good at deflating at all, because that requires a modicum of intelligence. But it certainly goes after the other three with the tiresome doggedness of a machine.

 

[Occam's Banana]

"If". That is the key word. Because of the word "if", we have due process to attempt to determine "if".

[...]

No one is mourning proven murderers being giving the death penalty. But some may mourn the loss of all of our rights (and civility) being exploded.

I think that's Patrick's whole point. IF these really were just cartel thugs, then no great loss. But he doesn't trust the US government to get the "IF" part right (or to care much about the possibility of getting it wrong). He wants the US government "restrained in every way possible", but he doesn't put much stock in "'due process' magic spells" - because the government willfully violating "due process" is the same one being expected to respect and apply it.

 

[nikcers]

I think that's Patrick's whole point. IF these really were just cartel thugs, then no great loss. But he doesn't trust the US government to get the "IF" part right (or to care much about getting it wrong). He wants the US government "restrained in every way possible", but he doesn't put much stock in "'due process' magic spells" - because the government willfully violating "due process" is the same one being expected to respect it,

You probably shouldn't trust the government but having a government is arguably necessary to survive.

Thats what historical evidence proves atleast.

The solution of course isnt no government though.

The solution is to verify everything you can verify to confirm the information you received is correct.

You don't say doors arent needed because if someone wants to really get into your house they can just open the door and walk in.

There's a solution of course and that's to lock your door or even better have a gun.

 

[nikcers]

Puerto Rico asks Trump for help after Venezuela’s Maduro threatens invasion

https://thehill.com/latino/5085427-puerto-rico-trump-venezuela-maduro-gonzalez-colon-greenland-panama-canal/

“As in the north they have an agenda of colonization, we have an agenda of liberation, and that agenda was written for us by Simón Bolívar,” said Maduro.

“The liberty of Puerto Rico is pending, and we will achieve it with Brazilian troops,”

The United States has ordered the deployment of 10 F-35 fighter jets to a Puerto Rico airfield for operations targeting drug cartels

US deploying stealth fighter jets to Caribbean for drug fight as tensions with Venezuela rise, sources say

The disclosure came hours after the Pentagon accused Venezuela of a "highly provocative" flight on Thursday by fighter jets over a U.S. Navy warship.

www.reuters.com

 

[nikcers]

Venezuela flies military aircraft over U.S. Navy ship for a second time, Pentagon officials say

For the second time in two days, Venezuela flew military aircraft over the USS Jason Dunham in international waters, multiple officials confirmed to CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

For the second time in two days, Venezuela has flown military aircraft over the USS Jason Dunham in international waters near South America, multiple Defense Department officials confirmed to CBS News Friday, describing the action as turning into a "game of chicken."

 

[acptulsa]

You don't say doors arent needed because if someone wants to really get into your house they can just open the door and walk in.

There's a solution of course and that's to lock your door

I think it was sent here just to lower the average IQ of the site's posters by thirty-five points.

 

[TheCount]

When a foreign government forces people to invade our country its an invasion and its an act of war.

They even took the government to court when the government tried to deport them.

So there is no consent involved here. Consent means you can say no. You can't even tell these people no. They use lawfare to try to steal your country.

Can you explain exactly how that speedboat was going to invade our country?

 

[nikcers]

Can you explain exactly how that speedboat was going to invade our country?

The speedboat was part of the group that has sent hundreds of thousands of people into our country.

They have also sent poisons that are killing our people.

Killing people with poison isn't some sort of magical loophole that lets you get away with killing people.

If killing people with poison isn't morally reprehensible why don't you do it?

You could just i dunno go around selling jars of honey with poison in it to people... would that be fine to you?