US goes to war with Iran

[nikcers]

Eisenhower became President, which means he was part of the Cabal, there is no other way to be President. So of course he supported the Cabal's globalist agenda.

Eisenhower's foreign policy wasn't globalist. He got us out of an unwinnable war in Korea and brought peace and freedom to the South Koreans.

He liberated Europe by leading the allies to liberate the European continent and brought peace to that region.

They had 80 years of peace which is the longest there has ever been peace in Europe.

The Europeans have been killing each other for 1000 years.

Before the status quo created after World War 2 the Europeans were always at war.

The peace and status quo the United States imposed has lifted billions out of poverty and slavery and fed billions through capitalism.

 

[ClaytonB]

Eisenhower

Is a distraction from the topic of the thread.

The peace and status quo the United States imposed has lifted billions out of poverty and slavery and fed billions through capitalism.

No, the United States Government has become a mass-murdering regime, and that's putting it charitably. The cynical view is that they were always a mass-murdering regime and merely unleashed their true nature in WW2. Here are the stats on civilian deaths caused by US military actions since 9/11:

Source

Total civilian deaths by direct causes is nearly 450k. Direct cause means they were blown up, shot, run over, etc. Civilian deaths by indirect causes are nearly 4 million.

There will be no hero's welcome for the mass-murderers in Washington, DC. They are execrable scum, there are no words in English strong enough to denounce them truly. They are utterly wretched, reprobate beyond description.

 

[nikcers]

Is a distraction from the topic of the thread.



No, the United States Government has become a mass-murdering regime, and that's putting it charitably. The cynical view is that they were always a mass-murdering regime and merely unleashed their true nature in WW2. Here are the stats on civilian deaths caused by US military actions since 9/11:

Source

Total civilian deaths by direct causes is nearly 450k. Direct cause means they were blown up, shot, run over, etc. Civilian deaths by indirect causes are nearly 4 million.

There will be no hero's welcome for the mass-murderers in Washington, DC. They are execrable scum, there are no words in English strong enough to denounce them truly. They are utterly wretched, reprobate beyond description.

Eisenhower defeated Hitler that killed 60 million people.

If he wasn't stopped he would have killed another 60 million.

60 million people died in the European theater of world war 2.

The USA has prevented more deaths...

THEY PREVENTED an even larger genocide than that in the middle east by not appeasing Saddam who was armed by the Russians and backed by the slave state regions in the Middle East who wanted to invade other countries and redraw the borders so that they can create more slave states which would have probably resulted in the death of billions.

 

[ClaytonB]

Eisenhower defeated Hitler that killed 60 million people.

If he wasn't stopped he would have killed another 60 million.

60 million people died in the European theater of world war 2.

The USA has prevented more deaths...

THEY PREVENTED an even larger genocide than that in the middle east by not appeasing Saddam who was armed by the Russians and backed by the slave state regions in the Middle East who wanted to invade other countries and redraw the borders so that they can create more slave states which would have probably resulted in the death of billions.

First of all, you pulled those numbers out of your butt, they're shit. Second, how many people died in WW2 has absolutely nothing to do with the nearly 450,000 civilians that the US has murdered as a consequence of its foreign military adventurism since 9/11, and the nearly 4 million other civilian casualties occurring as an indirect consequence of that.

The high-water estimate of Nazi killing is 21 million. The actual number may be a bit lower than that, as the high-water estimate is comprised of multiple high-water estimates of the sub-totals, which creates an increased error-margin. In any case -- they murdered a lot of people and murdering just ONE person is a cosmic crime all on its own.

The US since 9/11 has directly or indirectly caused the deaths of up to 4 million civilians. So we're only 20% as evil as the Nazis!

 

[nikcers]

First of all, you pulled those numbers out of your butt, they're shit. Second, how many people died in WW2 has absolutely nothing to do with the nearly 450,000 civilians that the US has murdered as a consequence of its foreign military adventurism since 9/11, and the nearly 4 million other civilian casualties occurring as an indirect consequence of that.

The high-water estimate of Nazi killing is 21 million. The actual number may be a bit lower than that, as the high-water estimate is comprised of multiple high-water estimates of the sub-totals, which creates an increased error-margin. In any case -- they murdered a lot of people and murdering just ONE person is a cosmic crime all on its own.

The US since 9/11 has directly or indirectly caused the deaths of up to 4 million civilians. So we're only 20% as evil as the Nazis!

Hitler killed 27 million Russian speaking people alone.

27 million people and you know if Eisenhower didn't arm the Soviet Union and bomb Hitler's supply lines going into Eastern Europe he would have took Moscow.

The nazis were genociding eastern Europe and Eisenhower stopped it.

Of course it counts that the USA preserved the status quo where states don't have to be ruled by empires. The war that would result from that would have killed billions.

 

[Anti Globalist]

I have suspicion to believe that the IRS is days away from acquiring a nuclear weapon. We must put it end to it quickly by eliminating the agency.

 

[ClaytonB]

Hitler killed 27 million Russian speaking people alone.

No, that's horseshit. Cite historical sources (exact number, 27 million) or GTFO.

Of course it counts that the USA preserved the status quo where states don't have to be ruled by empires. The war that would result from that would have killed billions.

The United States is the empire, roboto. And whataboutism can't justify mass-murder. The supposedly "good war" (WW2) has absolutely nothing to do with the nearly 450,000 documented civillian deaths directly caused by US foreign military adventurism since 9/11, and nearly 4 million deaths caused indirectly by the same. And if you want to keep appealing to WW2, we can crack open the books on that monster and show the heinous war crimes the US and its allies committed there, if you really insist.

Your best option: take the L and move along.

 

[nikcers]

No, that's horseshit. Cite historical sources (exact number, 27 million) or GTFO.



The United States is the empire, roboto. And whataboutism can't justify mass-murder. The supposedly "good war" (WW2) has absolutely nothing to do with the nearly 450,000 documented civillian deaths directly caused by US foreign military adventurism since 9/11, and nearly 4 million deaths caused indirectly by the same. And if you want to keep appealing to WW2, we can crack open the books on that monster and show the heinous war crimes the US and its allies committed there, if you really insist.

Your best option: take the L and move along.

Crimes the US commited?

60 million people died in the European theater of World War 2 that the USA tried to prevent at great costs.

The status quo imposed by the Versailles system was crushing on the German economy but the USA kept financing the German economy no matter what because they knew that the only thing worse than a bad peace and crushing status quo is a god damn World War that resulted in 60 million people dying in the European conflict and 60 million people dying in the Asian conflict and then 60 million people dying from the communist revolution in China when the communist starved 60 million people to death with socialism that was the result of the World War.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Another world war would result in billions dying.

 

[nikcers]

World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"World War II casualties of the Soviet Union
World War II losses of the Soviet Union were about 27 million both civilian and military from all war-related causes"

 

[unknown]

I have suspicion to believe that the IRS is days away from acquiring a nuclear weapon. We must put it end to it quickly by eliminating the agency.

The Fed too.

A week, tops.

 

[ClaytonB]

World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"World War II casualties of the Soviet Union
World War II losses of the Soviet Union were about 27 million both civilian and military from all war-related causes"

That estimate is not uncontested. In addition, 9 million of them are military men, which aren't counted for the purposes of these braindead exercises in debating which mega-murderer is worse than which. Of the 21 million democide deaths caused by the Germans, about 13 million of those were Russian. So, as I said already, you're making up pure bullshit numbers and hoping nobody fact-checks you.

 

[nikcers]

That estimate is not uncontested. In addition, 9 million of them are military men, which aren't counted for the purposes of these braindead exercises in debating which mega-murderer is worse than which. Of the 21 million democide deaths caused by the Germans, about 13 million of those were Russian. So, as I said already, you're making up pure bullshit numbers and hoping nobody fact-checks you.

No its not made up numbers. The war was way worse than some countries reported it. We also white washed some of the worst parts that were caused by the regime in Moscow because tbey ended up joining the allies we tried to make peace with them.

Even though they starved millions to death with socialism and massacred people in Poland in huge numbers before they joined the allies when they were still "neutral" even though tbey signed a non aggression pact with natzi Germany and invaded Poland with them and even had plans to conquer Iran.

That didnt come out until much later but the Soviet Union just never told their people the truth they had a dictator.

 

[ClaytonB]

The war ...

Once again, you keep trying to derail the thread from the topic, which is 450,000 civilians directly killed since 9/11 by US foreign military adventurism, and up to 4 million civilians killed by indirect causes of death resulting from US military action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, etc. Instead, you want to talk about "the good war" because you think you can make the US out to be the good guy if we focus on that war. When I have time, we can get into the firebombing of Dresden, the Purple code, Pearl Harbor, Japanese internment camps, the non-necessity of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. but for now, I'll just keep the focus on the US Government's post-9/11 war-crimes which are copious enough, and which are relevant to the 2025 war-crimes committed against Iran by the US/Israel. The USG is a mass-murdering regime. It's still only 20% as bad as the Nazis, so they have a ways to go before they can join the big boys' club, along with Hitler, Stalin and Mao in the mass-murderers hall of shame...

 

[unknown]

Britain and France were the most powerful empires 100 years ago and they destabilized the middle east.

The USA didn't have any real power to shape the world order because the USA didn't enter the war until just before it ended so they had no influence at the peace tables.

The USA only got a seat at the peace table after World War 2 but after that conflict Russia destabilized the middle east for over 50 years to try to overthrow every country in the region and create client states.

Iraq was a client state of Russia and they armed Saddam and their vast armies that destabilized the region.

When the USA put sanctions on Iraq Russia kept Saddam in power by helping him bypass sanctions and buy military equipment.

This was after they invaded Afghanistan and created a civil war that ruined Afghanistan's economy and caused millions to starve so they could try to

The CIA installed Saddam.

After Iran ousted our dictator, the Shah, we ordered our other dictator, Saddam, to attack.

This led to a 10 year war in which we armed both sides.

We also sold chemical weapons to Saddam which he used on Iran.

The money from the weapon sales to Iran were then used to fund the Contra rebels.

Iran/Contra.

Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot - UPI.com

U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, accord

www.upi.com

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account.

The CIA declined to comment on the report.

According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim.

The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ.

One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm.

While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said.

The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said.

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said.

 

[nikcers]

Once again, you keep trying to derail the thread from the topic, which is 450,000 civilians directly killed since 9/11 by US foreign military adventurism, and up to 4 million civilians killed by indirect causes of death resulting from US military action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, etc. Instead, you want to talk about "the good war" because you think you can make the US out to be the good guy if we focus on that war. When I have time, we can get into the firebombing of Dresden, the Purple code, Pearl Harbor, Japanese internment camps, the non-necessity of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. but for now, I'll just keep the focus on the US Government's post-9/11 war-crimes which are copious enough, and which are relevant to the 2025 war-crimes committed against Iran by the US/Israel. The USG is a mass-murdering regime. It's still only 20% as bad as the Nazis, so they have a ways to go before they can join the big boys' club, along with Hitler, Stalin and Mao in the mass-murderers hall of shame...

No i am not derailing because for one thing we didnt cause the 9/11 attacks.

They attacked us because all of the winners of world war 2 and the entire UN security council voted for us to stop Iraq from starting a world war.

This was the Gulf War in 1990.

They attacked us for preventing World War 3 which would have been at the very least as deadly as World War 2 but more than likely more deadly because of nuclear weapons.

You see what we did and what the United Nations voted for was the prevention of World War 3.

You see we prevented it. At great costs. No other country could have e done what we did.

What did we even get out of it?

We didnt take the oil in Iraq and we left Afghanistan and made peace with Afghanistan.

We put a stop to ISIS which was basically Saddams army since Russia armed Saddams army and we ended the Civil War in Afghanistan the one that the Soviet Union provoked so they would kill themselves.

We prevented the death of Billions of people by stopping World War 3 before it started.

 

[nikcers]

The CIA

We rid Iraq of Saddam.

Saddam wasnt even the problem in Iraq.

No dictatorship acts with the power of the state on his behalf alone.

All dictatorships not only have their group of crony autocrats that help them stay in power but they have the people themselves.

What happened after the dictator was gone?

His functional army ISIS rampaged the area and began looting and stealing everything.

For another thing its pure fiction that Saddam was CIA.

All members of the UNSC voted for the gulf war in 1990?

You really think the functional Soviet Union KGB didn't "know" he was CIA? If it was CIA why did the Arab league tell us to go there and do it?

Why did Saudi Arabia let us wage war from their "holy Muslim" soil even the Jewish members of our military?

 

[unknown]

 

[nikcers]

The vast majority of weapons in the Iraq-Iran war was Russian weapons.

The USA never backed any side to win that war. We only put a stop to it to end it.

Just a few years later when the Gulf War happened there were thousands of Russians in Iraq when desert storm began.

They famously knocked out the Russian air defenses and Russian tanks.

Afterwards when Russia helped Saddams regime stay in power they bought even more weapons from Russia.

Many in the region were threatened by Iraq's vast army they had the 4th largest in the world.

 

[ClaytonB]

No i am not derailing because for one thing we didnt cause the 9/11 attacks.

They attacked us because all of the winners of world war 2 and the entire UN security council voted for us to stop Iraq from starting a world war.

This was the Gulf War in 1990.

They attacked us for preventing World War 3 which would have been at the very least as deadly as World War 2 but more than likely more deadly because of nuclear weapons.

What in the world are you even babbling about? Nobody says this nonsense, not even the neoCONs. This is even dumber than "they hate us for our freedoms", lol.

We didnt take the oil in Iraq and we left Afghanistan and made peace with Afghanistan.

After murdering countless Afghanis and Iraqis. And of course we stole their oil, it is US and allied contractors who are doing all the oilfield work, which is where the oil revenues go.

We put a stop to ISIS which was basically Saddams army

LOL, ISIS didn't even exist when Saddam was in power, and wouldn't exist for another 10 years.

since Russia armed Saddams army and we ended the Civil War in Afghanistan the one that the Soviet Union provoked so they would kill themselves.

This is literal gibberish. Go see your technician and get your flux-capacitor adjusted, HAL.

We prevented the death of Billions of people by stopping World War 3 before it started.

Rather, we are actively baiting WW3 both in Ukraine and now Iran, putting billions of lives at risk. The solution is to withdraw from NATO and remove all American money, personnel and other assets and assistance from Ukraine, and to do the same with Israel and our unconstitutional dabbling in the ME under the job of being the policeman of the ME given to us by Israel. We are juggling chainsaws on a tightrope stretched over the open pit of hell itself, and you want to play weaponized language games that your programmers programmed you to play.

 

[nikcers]

What in the world are you even babbling about? Nobody says this nonsense, not even the neoCONs. This is even dumber than "they hate us for our freedoms", lol.



After murdering countless Afghanis and Iraqis. And of course we stole their oil, it is US and allied contractors who are doing all the oilfield work, which is where the oil revenues go.



LOL, ISIS didn't even exist when Saddam was in power, and wouldn't exist for another 10 years.



This is literal gibberish. Go see your technician and get your flux-capacitor adjusted, HAL.



Rather, we are actively baiting WW3 both in Ukraine and now Iran, putting billions of lives at risk. The solution is to withdraw from NATO and remove all American money, personnel and other assets and assistance from Ukraine, and to do the same with Israel and our unconstitutional dabbling in the ME under the job of being the policeman of the ME given to us by Israel. We are juggling chainsaws on a tightrope stretched over the open pit of hell itself, and you want to play weaponized language games that your programmers programmed you to play.

Baiting world war 3?

The UN voted for the gulf war. It was Unanimous.

All permanent members. China, the Soviet Union, the Arab League!

They didnt want World War 3.

Thats why we put a stop to it.

Nobody put a stop to Hitler. They appeased him. They let him invade multiple countries and said oh well our people dont want another war and they appeased.