US goes to war with Iran

[Anti-Neocon]

I'll tell you what you dont do. You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning.

I would also add that the Gaza arabs have never even tried to end this conflict. If they wanted this conflict to end there was always only one thing they ever had to do: give up their claims to Jerusalem.

But they never were willing to do that.

They'd rather commit acts of terrorism against innocent people to wage a war for Jerusalem that they're never gonna win.

If they were willing to give up Jerusalem, and Israel was still attacking them, I would have a lot more sympathy for them.

(And again - my usual disclaimer. Israel is a piece of shit with plenty of their own war crimes. The Israelis and the adjacent Arabs are both garbage people.)

I'll tell you what you don't do. You don't kill innocent people. Period.

And it's very telling that your only solution is "just give up" because Israel is stronger.

 

[TheTexan]

I'll tell you what you don't do. You don't kill innocent people. Period.

Yea like I said, they're both garbage people. Israelis and Gaza Arabs.

And it's very telling that your only solution is "just give up" because Israel is stronger.

Ever heard of Just War Theory? One of the central tenets is that you should only kill people in wars you can actually win.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'll tell you what you dont do. You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning.

I would also add that the Gaza arabs have never even tried to end this conflict. If they wanted this conflict to end there was always only one thing they ever had to do: give up their claims to Jerusalem.

But they never were willing to do that.

They'd rather commit acts of terrorism against innocent people to wage a war for Jerusalem that they're never gonna win.

If they were willing to give up Jerusalem, and Israel was still attacking them, I would have a lot more sympathy for them.

(And again - my usual disclaimer. Israel is a piece of shit with plenty of their own war crimes. The Israelis and the adjacent Arabs are both garbage people.)

"You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning."

Are you referring to Oct 7th?

That whole thing was very odd. Hard to see how any rational person would advocate for that. Seems like a MIHOP situation. Somehow, full and honest investigations into how that came about have not happened. You'd think to avoid such an attack, someone would want to really dig into it.

Maybe we need Elon Musk to form a team to look into the movements of money, prior and after?

Lol. That would be shut down quicker that an audit of the Fed...

 

[Anti-Neocon]

"You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning."

Are you referring to Oct 7th?

That whole thing was very odd. Hard to see how any rational person would advocate for that. Seems like a MIHOP situation. Somehow, full and honest investigations into how that came about have not happened. You'd think to avoid such an attack, someone would to really dig into it.

Maybe we need Elon Musk to form a team to look into the movements of money, prior and after?

Lol. That would be shut down quicker that an audit of the Fed...

Strategic provocation and the October 7th attack

 

[TheTexan]

"You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning."

Are you referring to Oct 7th?

That whole thing was very odd. Hard to see how any rational person would advocate for that. Seems like a MIHOP situation. Somehow, full and honest investigations into how that came about have not happened. You'd think to avoid such an attack, someone would to really dig into it.

Maybe we need Elon Musk to form a team to look into the movements of money, prior and after?

Lol. That would be shut down quicker that an audit of the Fed...

Referring to Oct 7 and the countless times that they've launched indiscriminate rocket attacks into Israel. And suicide bombings. And tunnel attacks. There's no shortage of times they've attacked innocent people.

I don't know if Oct 7 was MIHOP or not. Maybe it was. But what I do know, is that there is large support for the Oct 7 attack within the Gaza community, and even larger support for the organization allegedly behind it.

When I say these Arabs are garbage people, I don't really see how that can be a controversial opinion.

 

[69360]

So what's worse terrorism or genocide?

 

[nikcers]

So what's worse terrorism or genocide?

What's worse forcing your slaves to fight and die to protect your slave state and make your slave state more powerful and kill all of the people of western civilization

Or self defense of your life, liberty, and persuit of happiness?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Referring to Oct 7 and the countless times that they've launched indiscriminate rocket attacks into Israel. And suicide bombings. And tunnel attacks. There's no shortage of times they've attacked innocent people.

I don't know if Oct 7 was MIHOP or not. Maybe it was. But what I do know, is that there is large support for the Oct 7 attack within the Gaza community, and even larger support for the organization allegedly behind it.

When I say these Arabs are garbage people, I don't really see how that can be a controversial opinion.

IDK. I suppose someone could say at this point that there is "large support" for Lindsey Graham, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and neoconservatism in the US. Obviously, they are running the show, and therefore must have the support of the majority of Americans. It's a democracy after all.

 

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[TheTexan]

IDK. I suppose someone could say at this point that there is "large support" for Lindsey Graham, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and neoconservatism in the US. Obviously, they are running the show, and therefore must have the support of the majority of Americans. It's a democracy after all.

And they'd be right. Most of the US is garbage people.

Catching on perhaps why I don't want people to have nukes?

 

[TheTexan]

So what's worse terrorism or genocide?

Well, you've got terrorism in the name of a war they can't win.

And then you've got genocide in the name of a war they can win.

An argument could be made that either one is less super bad than the other.

But - when you include the mitigating factor that pretty much everyone being "genocided" right now has had 60 years of warning that it was coming and they chose to stay.

I'd have to say "terrorism in the name of a war they can't win" is worse.

But that's just me.

Again, they're both garbage people.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

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[Brian4Liberty]

Strategic provocation and the October 7th attack

Pretty in-depth analysis. Makes the case for a combination of LIHIP and MIHOP. From a big picture perspective, so many parallels with 9/11.

Also from the article:

"Throughout 2023 (until October 7th) Israel was rocked by mass protests over the Netanyahu government’s attempts to neuter the Israeli judiciary (an effort with an “ultimate purpose” to “annex more land, and ethnically cleanse all territories under Israeli rule of their Palestinian population” according to an open letter signed by several hundred academics and celebrities from the United States and Israel)."

"Annex more land". That is the core of the entire issue for the past 60 years. Everything else is noise. Battles, murder, terrorism, all stem from the essential root cause: stealing property.

Do we believe in property rights? Is it a crime for other people to steal your home and property?

 

[acptulsa]

"Throughout 2023 (until October 7th) Israel was rocked by mass protests over the Netanyahu government’s attempts to neuter the Israeli judiciary..."

With the side effect of letting Nuttyyahoo appoint someone who won't convict him on the corruption charges he faces.

 

[nikcers]

Pretty in-depth analysis. Makes the case for a combination of LIHIP and MIHOP. From a big picture perspective, so many parallels with 9/11.

Also from the article:

"Throughout 2023 (until October 7th) Israel was rocked by mass protests over the Netanyahu government’s attempts to neuter the Israeli judiciary (an effort with an “ultimate purpose” to “annex more land, and ethnically cleanse all territories under Israeli rule of their Palestinian population” according to an open letter signed by several hundred academics and celebrities from the United States and Israel)."

"Annex more land". That is the core of the entire issue for the past 60 years. Everything else is noise. Battles, murder, terrorism, all stem from the essential root cause: stealing property.

Do we believe in property rights? Is it a crime for other people to steal your home and property?

Just because Rand Paul may have wanted his neighbor to give him his house doesn't mean he provoked his neighbor into attacking him so that he could take his house.

This is just a terrorist mentality where they get to bomb the shit out of Israel with no reprisal because they believe they have a right to take Israel's house.

 

[acptulsa]

Just because Rand Paul may have wanted his neighbor to give him his house...

Are you capable of formulating a hypothetical example that doesn't border on libel?

 

[nikcers]

Are you capable of formulating a hypothetical example that doesn't border on libel?

May or may not. Thats the hypothetical argument.

Do you believe in justice where people get what is owed to them?

 

[acptulsa]

Do you believe in justice where people get what is owed to them?

I'm seeing it. I've posted vids of the condition Tel Aviv is in.

Nuttyyahoo fucked around and all of Israel found out. This is what happens when you elect a psycho.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, you've got terrorism in the name of a war they can't win.

And then you've got genocide in the name of a war they can win.

An argument could be made that either one is less super bad than the other.

But - when you include the mitigating factor that pretty much everyone being "genocided" right now has had 60 years of warning that it was coming and they chose to stay.

I'd have to say "terrorism in the name of a war they can't win" is worse.

But that's just me.

Again, they're both garbage people.

No matter how unsavory the parties are to a given dispute, does that change the essential facts of a case? Do we believe in property rights? Is property theft acceptable? How about compensation?

And then for propaganda purposes, it gets combined with collective guilt. Some person or group on one side kills some people on the other side. It is then considered collective guilt of all of the people on a given side. It goes both ways. Is every Israeli citizen guilty of the actions of the Netanyahu government? Is every resident of Gaza guilty of the crimes of Hamas murderers? Are people still individuals?

Then the case is made, "well, all of those people support those actions, thus they are guilty. It's collective guilt."

Let's look at a simple analogy. If that is true, are all of the people who have supported the actions of Luigi Mangione (who assassinated the CEO of United Healthcare) also guilty of murder? How about his fan clubs? What law can be applied, and successfully prosecuted, to make anybody who has supported him, or his actions, guilty of a crime?

Some people in government would like to make any speech or protests that favor Gaza illegal. On the other hand, should speech in support of killing people by a government be criminal? Should Mark Levin and Lindsey Graham be put in jail? Do we have freedom of speech? Hell, do we have freedom of thought anymore?

There's no easy solution. "Might" does not make right. But might does make reality. And right now, might makes taking property the reality.