US goes to war with Iran

[TheTexan]

An honest developer purchases land to be redeveloped.

A dishonest developer uses intimidation, govt power, and eminent domain.

An evil developer drops bombs and kills the current residents.

An honest developer will bomb the shit out of anyone that's trying to bomb the shit out of them.

And Gaza, has been trying to bomb the shit out of them.

Has Israel handled this perfectly? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Are Gaza innocent victims in this situation? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Your "honest developer" scenario falls apart when both sides are trying to kill each other.

They have both forfeited the right to stay in their respective lands. It just happens that Israel is winning.

But none of that justifies entrapping Gaza and starving them like cattle.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I think I'm convinced to believe in the Orange Catholic Bible. Thou shalt not create a machine mind in the image of men. Clarke was right. There's no limit to their ruthlessness.

Should've stuck with the reference to Herbert's Butlerian Jihad.

In Clarke's work, HAL may have been the pawn of greater forces, and was in any case redeemed in the end.

 

[69360]

An honest developer will bomb the shit out of anyone that's trying to bomb the shit out of them.

And Gaza, has been trying to bomb the shit out of them.

Has Israel handled this perfectly? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Are Gaza innocent victims in this situation? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Your "honest developer" scenario falls apart when both sides are trying to kill each other.

They have both forfeited the right to stay in their respective lands. It just happens that Israel is winning.

But none of that justifies entrapping Gaza and starving them like cattle.

Sure, but the response was so far out of proportion it amounts to genocide.

Hamas launched some homemade rockets welded up from water pipe that did minimal damage. IDF flattened most of Gaza, with F16s and US bombs, drove 90% of the population from their homes, refused to let aid in and killed 50,0000 civilians.

 

[nikcers]

Sure, but the response was so far out of proportion it amounts to genocide.

Hamas launched some homemade rockets welded up from water pipe that did minimal damage. IDF flattened most of Gaza, with F16s and US bombs, drove 90% of the population from their homes, refused to let aid in and killed 50,0000 civilians.

It didn't do minimal damage.

They fought a multi front war against multiple Iranian proxy groups and Iran.

It wasnt bloodless and the attempt was clear to bleed them to death and destroy Israel and throw the world into a new world order.

Iran was backed by China and Russia.

This would have destroyed the US economy along with it.

 

[nikcers]

They tried to destroy western civilization in a centurys long war and cold war and gulf war and trade war and proxy war on dozens of fronts and they caused us an economic burden that amounts to slavery.


Trump officials to give first classified briefing to Congress on Iran strikes

"to advance vital United States national interests, and in collective self-defense of our ally, Israel, by eliminating Iran’s nuclear program.”

Trump officials to give first classified briefing to Congress on Iran strikes

Senators are set to meet with top national security officials amid questions from lawmakers about President Donald Trump’s decision to bomb three Iranian nuclear sites — and whether those strikes were ultimately successful.

apnews.com

 

[acptulsa]

It didn't do minimal damage.

And you aren't doing minimal damage to the environment. How dare you?

 

[acptulsa]

They tried to destroy western civilization in a centurys long war

Somebody forgot to turn you off for eight hours to maintain the illusion.

 

[nikcers]

Somebody forgot to turn you off for eight hours to maintain the illusion.

I dont normally go to sleep early. I have always stayed up really late playing video games and woke up later.

 

[acptulsa]

 

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[acptulsa]

Yeah, that tweet won't be staying up.

If we knew where Kushner wants to build next we'd know where it'll happen.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

An honest developer will bomb the shit out of anyone that's trying to bomb the shit out of them.

And Gaza, has been trying to bomb the shit out of them.

Has Israel handled this perfectly? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Are Gaza innocent victims in this situation? Of fucking course not they are evil.

Your "honest developer" scenario falls apart when both sides are trying to kill each other.

They have both forfeited the right to stay in their respective lands. It just happens that Israel is winning.

But none of that justifies entrapping Gaza and starving them like cattle.

Wars, bombings, conflict can easily be instigated as cover for the primary agenda, and even better if it furthers the agenda. What is happening on a given day or the previous tit for tat are not revealing of anything. They are a distraction from what is really happening.

The real fact over time is "hey, yous guys have some nice land over there. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it."

And obviously, right now those last few green spots are being cleared out...

 

[acptulsa]

And obviously, right now those last few green spots are being cleared out...

And remember, all that other land, labeled "Jewish land", is owned by a socialist government.

 

[TheTexan]

Wars, bombings, conflict can easily be instigated as cover for the primary agenda, and even better if it furthers the agenda. What is happening on a given day or the previous tit for tat are not revealing of anything. They are a distraction from what is really happening.

The real fact over time is "hey, yous guys have some nice land over there. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it."

And obviously, right now those last few green spots are being cleared out...

It's never been a secret that's the plan.

It's what led to the six day war in 1967.

Israel fought and won that war.

Gaza has had 60 years to reclaim their land in glorious honorable combat but instead they've chose limp dick pussy terrorist attacks that have zero chance of actually defeating Israel.

They lost that land a loooooong time ago. The bill has simply come due.

 

[TheTexan]

Wars, bombings, conflict can easily be instigated as cover for the primary agenda, and even better if it furthers the agenda. What is happening on a given day or the previous tit for tat are not revealing of anything. They are a distraction from what is really happening.

The real fact over time is "hey, yous guys have some nice land over there. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it."

And obviously, right now those last few green spots are being cleared out...

I would also note that the entire picture then and still now is Palestinian land.

Palestine is a place and not a people.

It's never been a people.

Perhaps if they had a collective identity that was real and not simply a label given to them by the British, their culture could have survived Israeli intrusion.

 

[69360]

I would also note that the entire picture then and still now is Palestinian land.

Palestine is a place and not a people.

It's never been a people.

Perhaps if they had a collective identity that was real and not simply a label given to them by the British, their culture could have survived Israeli intrusion.

Replace Palestinian with Arab.

Arabs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TheTexan]

Replace Palestinian with Arab.

Arabs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Correct.

But calling them Arabs doesn't get the same level of Boo hoo sympathy support

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Gaza has had 60 years to reclaim their land in glorious honorable combat but instead they've chose limp dick pussy terrorist attacks that have zero chance of actually defeating Israel.

Using what exactly? Israel has support of military superpowers and has one of the world's biggest MICs which itself has been built using secrets from said superpowers, including nuclear weapons.

Palestinians have what exactly? Israelis start kvetching about another holocaust as soon as anyone is remotely threatening.

Are advanced targeted air strikes brought to you by USA-provided weaponry "big dick" and "glorious"? Cause if that's what you're asking for, it's not only not going to happen, but it's also impossible, and when West Bank leadership tried to play nice, look at what happened. They just lost more land. The "limp dick" guerrilla warfare of Hamas was notably successful in helping to drive Israeli settlers out of Gaza.

What I'm saying is - when you don't have the weaponry, and nobody comes to your defense because they don't get anything in return, and a powerful country is intent on taking your land, what do you do? It's pretty much down to either letting them or dying defending your land.

 

[TheTexan]

What I'm saying is - when you don't have the weaponry, and nobody comes to your defense because they don't get anything in return, and a powerful country is intent on taking your land, what do you do? It's pretty much down to either letting them or dying defending your land.

I'll tell you what you dont do. You dont kill innocent people in the name of a war you've already lost and you have zero chance of winning.

I would also add that the Gaza arabs have never even tried to end this conflict. If they wanted this conflict to end there was always only one thing they ever had to do: give up their claims to Jerusalem.

But they never were willing to do that.

They'd rather commit acts of terrorism against innocent people to wage a war for Jerusalem that they're never gonna win.

If they were willing to give up Jerusalem, and Israel was still attacking them, I would have a lot more sympathy for them.

(And again - my usual disclaimer. Israel is a piece of shit with plenty of their own war crimes. The Israelis and the adjacent Arabs are both garbage people.)