URGENT! Senate Moves To Allow Military To arrest/hold Citizens W/O trial Vote Mon or Tues

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I already answered that. That is in the (different) kind of detention for 1032. In 1031 the detention for SUSPECTED 'CONNECTIONS' with something deemed privately to be a 'supporting organization' of bad groups, without trial, indefinitely 'for the duration of the war' (what, on terror?) does NOT have that language. Note that language says 'UNDER THIS SECTION' and applies to section 1032 not 1031.

In section 1031 - which fyi is not on the title page, you have to search for it, its worse.

It only exludes American citizens with all the loopholes mentioned by sailingaway, and then for activities *within* the United States.

This means that if you call someone overseas, and you play the game of associated with someone who is associated with someone whose grandmother has a friend of someone who is suspect, you could be hauled away. Calls and internet messages overseas are outside the territory.

Consider the NSA that wiretaps all calls without warrants, and the recent defense department desire to use drone strikes on those suspected of "cyber" terrorism. Virtually everything online can be considered outside the United States. The military is already interpreting things this way.

But you say that a court of law would never agree with the military? If you are taken away this way, you will never see a court to raise that objection.

 

[COpatriot]

I live in Colorado. I am currently listening to a local necon talk show host named Richard Randall who is openly telling his listeners that this is all perfectly fine with all of this brazen criminality because "hey, I'm not a terrorist". But then he says it's more OK for someone like Bush to do something like this but not so much for Obama because only Democrats are nasty and corrupt.

These people are cancerous.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

By the way, you don't sneak something like this into a bill with loose language at the last minute without discussion, unless the intent is to use it exactly like that.

 

[PursuePeace]

The link is not on Drudge anymore.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I have posted it on my Facebook but outside of the usual crowd (Ron Paul supporters), nobody gave a shit! They have better things to worry about such as football and what is on sale at Wal-Mart.

I've been hitting up everyone on Twitter... @joeNBC @ggreenwald @judgenap etc etc...

Contact all across any political lines

 

[Anti Federalist]

If America will become part of the battlefield, will police, military contractors, state side servicement, get a hazard pay?

I can hear the pizza delivery guy now : 'that's 9.99 for the pizza, free delivery, but a $50 surcharge for delivery in a battlefield'

America has been a battlefield, for a long time now.

The opening salvos in the final push were fired over 20 years ago, in the tenements of Philadelphia, the woods of Ruby Ridge and the high plains of Waco.

It's called a "War on this and that" for a reason.

War has been declared and waged against us, for years now.

 

[Brown Sapper]

I really hope that this move backfires on them. I wouldn't be surprised to see half of D.C. being detained for "terrorist activities."

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

America has been a battlefield, for a long time now.

The opening salvos in the final push were fired over 20 years ago, in the tenements of Philadelphia, the woods of Ruby Ridge and the high plains of Waco.

It's called a "War on this and that" for a reason.

War has been declared and waged against us, for years now.

+rep

This post should be shouted from the rooftops.

 

[JK/SEA]

For all the good it will do, i called Patty Murray's D.C office and 'explained' my concerns.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Time to stop thinking of Alex Jones as some kind of nut.
Take the Red Pill. Every day. Dr. Paul's orders.

Jones is all over this right now.

Unlike the "cancerous" B string fascists like another poster in this thread quoted.

He also picked up on the AlterNet article I posted in GP about the left waking up to the militarized police.

 

[Anti Federalist]

WOooo...

I just had a moment of anger so deep that I considered violence as a solution for a few seconds. I was so blindly angry that until the blood pressure came down a notch I was salivating at the thought of... nevermind.

This is normal.

 

[JK/SEA]

By the way, as i was talking to Sen. Murray's secretary...male....he told me that they are getting LOTS of calls on this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"How Could This Happen in America?" Why Police Are Treating Americans Like Military Threats

Why is the armed might of the state, (necessary in waging war against foreign enemies) being applied to domestic policing of local communities and peaceful protests?

November 22, 2011

http://www.alternet.org/occupywalls..._americans_like_military_threats/?page=entire

 

[sailingaway]

Jones is all over this right now.

Unlike the "cancerous" B string fascists like another poster in this thread quoted.

He also picked up on the AlterNet article I posted in GP about the left waking up to the militarized police.

I don't believe everything Alex Jones believes, and I think he is bombastic in a style I don't like, and that he sometimes jumps to conclusions. Having said that, I am grateful for the whistle blowing aspects of what he does. We can weigh the merits ourselves -- assuming anyone even tells us about it, which he does.

I don't listen to him because of the other reasons I mentioned, but a number of issues first come out on his web site publications (I don't go there specifically, but when I search by topic they come up.) Some stuff turns out to be jumping the gun, but I'd rather see that to examine than not know until the issue is decided because people aren't sure.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Jones is all over this right now.

Unlike the "cancerous" B string fascists like another poster in this thread quoted.

He also picked up on the AlterNet article I posted in GP about the left waking up to the militarized police.

Government is the reason the Constitution is dying. Good quote.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Tomato, toemato.

I like his style because, in person, it's exactly the same as my style, loud, abrasive and bombastic.

Agreed, better to jump the gun, then not know about it all, or even worse, agree with it and support it.

Like this guy:

I live in Colorado. I am currently listening to a local necon talk show host named Richard Randall who is openly telling his listeners that this is all perfectly fine with all of this brazen criminality because "hey, I'm not a terrorist". But then he says it's more OK for someone like Bush to do something like this but not so much for Obama because only Democrats are nasty and corrupt.

These people are cancerous.

I don't believe everything Alex Jones believes, and I think he is bombastic in a style I don't like, and that he sometimes jumps to conclusions. Having said that, I am grateful for the whistle blowing aspects of what he does. We can weigh the merits ourselves -- assuming anyone even tells us about it, which he does.

I don't listen to him because of the other reasons I mentioned, but a number of issues first come out on his web site publications (I don't go there specifically, but when I search by topic they come up.) Some stuff turns out to be jumping the gun, but I'd rather see that to examine than not know until the issue is decided because people aren't sure.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

President would be an absolute dictator if this passes.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

watch out for Drones taking US Citizens out within US Soil

Homeland security is already giving out grants to local police departments to buy drones - which are the same as the ones that can be outfitted with weapons at a later date.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

i am in a "who is john galt" ayn rand funk of a mood over this instance
of tyranny thru the small print legalism that is shabby, cynical & savvy.

Rand wrote her book as a farce. Atlas in the real legend isn't holding up the world, but the celestial heavens, Aristotelian logic by its very nature isn't objective but uses premises - see Francis Bacon's pamphlet on the scientific method for exactly that criticism of Aristotle, and the very first line as well as many other things are plagiarized from The Driver, which is a well known book to classical free market thinkers - and which describes exactly what "the driver" that makes good government is, and which is missing from Atlas Shrugged - without even a clue to what was pulled.

Alan Greenspan was part of Rand's circle. It was a farce, but not a nice one, but a vindictive one. The average reader is supposed to be too stupid to notice any of the above things.