URGENT! Senate Moves To Allow Military To arrest/hold Citizens W/O trial Vote Mon or Tues

[J-Reg]

And even if it makes us simply "feel" better, "let it not be said we did nothing."

If we can light a brush fire of Liberty in one person's mind, we have done something.

 

[surf]

cut and pasted from ACLU website:

Dear Senator Murray,

I strongly urge the Senate to oppose sections 1031 and 1032 in S.1253, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA).

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

These provisions in the NDAA are inconsistent with fundamental American values embodied in the Constitution. I urge the Senate reject the NDAA and its indefinite detention provisions.

Sincerely,

 

[VanBummel]

Wait, I've been seeing this called S.1867 and S.1253. What is the difference?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

EDIT: Forgot who my Senators were for a second there. Feinstein is a lost cause. Or a non-starter. Or both. Or something.

 

[KCIndy]

Wait, I've been seeing this called S.1867 and S.1253. What is the difference?

S.1867 is the current bill about to be voted on by the Senate. S.1867 is the bill with the *very* objectionable sections 1031 and 1032. If you write/fax/call your Senator, his is the bill and particular sections you'll want to refer to.

I looked up S.1253 on Thomas.gov and I think - I *think* - it is probably the original version of the bill written by Levin. But the last action taken on this was back on June 22, so I'm guessing it has been preempted by the current version. If anyone knows better, please add your input!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

You Can also use this from OpenCongress that has a pre formated letter which you can add yopur concerns, objections, in form directly in email/fax to your represenatives/Senators/etc

USE THIS LINK: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1867/show

template example...

 

[rideurlightning]

You Can also use this from OpenCongress that has a pre formated letter to send your represenatives/Senators

USE THIS LINK: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1867/show

template example...

Beautiful <3

 

[69360]

Why is the media no reporting this? Not just msm, nothing. Is somebody interpreting it wrong? In this day and age you can't pull a coverup of this magnitude off. I wrote my senators anyway, actually reading it before voting would be nice.

 

[sailingaway]

EDIT: Forgot who my Senators were for a second there. Feinstein is a lost cause. Or a non-starter. Or both. Or something.

Oh, come on. At least let her know she has been in a fight!

 

[KCIndy]

I would strongly recommend sending a fax, or calling, or both. I have heard that emails and web page "contact form" info often gets dumped without counting for much, simply because it is considered "too easy" for people to contact their elected officials this way.

Sooo...

If you don't have your own fax machine, I would recommend www.faxzero.com You can go here and send a fax for FREE. (It's paid for by advertising placed on the cover sheet). For $1.99 you can send a "premium" fax with no ads and multiple call attempts until the fax goes through. (I usually use the paid method if I'm sending a fax to Congress, just because it's so hard to get through on the first attempt)

You can look up the fax numbers for both your Senators here:

http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm NOTE: I've not had the time to verify every fax number on this list. You can also go to www.senate.gov and use the drop-down menu in the upper right corner to locate your Senators and their contact info.


I have also taken the liberty of writing a basic letter that can be cut-n-pasted right into the fax field if you're sending it through www.faxzero.com or an email if that's all you are able to do.

FEEL FREE TO USE THIS LETTER AS YOUR OWN, OR MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT YOU WISH.

Senator xxxx,

I urge you to VOTE AGAINST S.1867, also known as the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA).

Of particular concern to me are sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA, which would, according to the American Civil Liberties Union:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

This is simply unacceptable.

According to a November 15 article in the Washington Post, this bill was drafted in secret by Senators John McCain and Carl Levin. What sort of legislative process is this? According to the same article, even the White House has objections to the bill and has threatened a veto.

Senator, when you took the oath of office, you swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. I cannot think of anything MORE unconstitutional than a situation in which American citizens would be subject to indefinite detention by the U.S. Military and denied access to counsel or even information about what charges – if any – are being levied against them.

If you vote in favor of these terrible provisions, your are voting to make the U.S. Constitution “Void Where Prohibited by Law.”

I ask you to remember your sworn duty to the U.S. Constitution. I ask you to remember your duty and responsibility to the American people.

I urge you to reject the NDAA and its indefinite detention provisions.


Sincerely,

name
full address

Have at it, folks. I know the odds are long on this, but if I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down swinging.

 

[sailingaway]

You Can also use this from OpenCongress that has a pre formated letter which you can add yopur concerns, objections, in form directly in email/fax to your represenatives/Senators/etc

USE THIS LINK: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1867/show

template example...

I think that should be 'sorcerous' ways, not sorceress. Otherwise, looks good.

 

[sailingaway]

I would strongly recommend sending a fax, or calling, or both. I have heard that emails and web page "contact form" info often gets dumped without counting for much, simply because it is considered "too easy" for people to contact their elected officials this way.

Sooo...

If you don't have your own fax machine, I would recommend www.faxzero.com You can go here and send a fax for FREE. (It's paid for by advertising placed on the cover sheet). For $1.99 you can send a "premium" fax with no ads and multiple call attempts until the fax goes through. (I usually use the paid method if I'm sending a fax to Congress, just because it's so hard to get through on the first attempt)

You can look up the fax numbers for both your Senators here:

http://www.acatoday.org/pdf/Senate-numbers.pdf

or here:

http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm


I have also taken the liberty of writing a basic letter that can be cut-n-pasted right into the fax field if you're sending it through www.faxzero.com or an email if that's all you are able to do.

FEEL FREE TO USE THIS LETTER AS YOUR OWN, OR MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT YOU WISH.





Have at it, folks. I know the odds are long on this, but if I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down swinging.

they tally pro and con, typically. But I agree, fax is better.

 

[Keith and stuff]

FYI, Senators had a hand it creating this bill, it passed the House with almost every Republican voting for it and most Democrats voting for it and it gives additional power to Obama (so I doubt he will veto it.) Good luck folks!

 

[sailingaway]

TARP was stopped once, in the House, admittedly. The Senate is a bit harder. But TARP WAS stopped, and so was the Patriot Act - for one vote. At least let them know we're furious so they will understand the next election.

 

[KCIndy]

FYI, Senators had a hand it creating this bill, it passed the House with almost every Republican voting for it and most Democrats voting for it and it gives additional power to Obama (so I doubt he will veto it.) Good luck folks!

Thanks for your help.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I think that should be 'sorcerous' ways, not sorceress. Otherwise, looks good.

It's just a template example... I didn't send that, but just giving some ideas to those that want to institute a bit of second thought in these sociopathic tyrants.

Plus I'm too lazy to put my contacts in...

 

[KCIndy]

they tally pro and con, typically. But I agree, fax is better.

I figure if I clutter up their fax machines and voice mailboxes I might get a bit more attention, ha!

 

[kmalm585]

Just emailed my Senators from Pennsylvania.

 

[sailingaway]

I put it on the front page.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Thanks for your help.

I love your sense of humor. I love Downsize DC and Campaign for Liberty. I've met the Downsize DC leader several times and the co-creator of it, Harry Browne, is the person that inspired me to be a liberty activist after I was at a speech of his in 1999. I'm good friends with the NH C4L leader and even attended their very first national event in MN in 2008. As Senior Moderator sailingaway pointed out "TARP WAS stopped, and so was the Patriot Act" for a very short time. Of course, they both passed eventually.

Again, good luck.