UPDATE: Live from Iowa (Ames/Buses/Housing)

[Indy Vidual]

I wasn't aware that I was out of line in doing so. Post #20 claims that post #1 contains false information, but only makes a vague denial of claims that were never even made in post #1. Don't you agree that some clarification is needed?

He quoted the entire post and clearly said it was not true? How is that a "vague denial?"

Don't you agree that some clarification is needed?
Maybe, what exactly do you not understand?

 

[ARealConservative]

I am sorry but the information by Bergman is not correct.
^^^
Perhaps it's a nice way to say the other guy is a liar? It seems very clear to me, but if I'm mistaken then I'll retract later.

what information? the information that we are taking iowa seriously? the info that national plans to do the heavy lifting?that a large portion of the next money bomb is going to be used in iowa?

what exactly was inaccurate, because what the op wrote is music to my ears and I failed to see anything that should be construed as divisive.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Lets also remember that Steve works for the campaign for Liberty and not for the presidential campaign so technically by law he cannot comment on what the presidential campaign does. unless he now works for the presidential campaign which is a strong possibility.

 

[rp08orbust]

Lots of assumptions being made all the way from (paraphrased) "Steve must've meant that everything in that post was a lie" to (paraphrased) "Steve is just making sure the campaign is covered against election fraud charges".

I say let Craig and Steve give their side of the story (if they feel like they need to).

That's all I'm asking for. We're reasonably certain that LABIX is the real Craig Bergman, and I'm inclined to believe that SteveBierfeldt is the real Steve Bierfeldt of TSA lawsuit fame. Both have good reputations as Ron Paul supporters, so if the real people are indeed contradicting each other, we need to hear more from them.

 

[speciallyblend]

Lots of assumptions being made all the way from (paraphrased) "Steve must've meant that everything in that post was a lie" to (paraphrased) "Steve is just making sure the campaign is covered against election fraud charges".

I say let Craig and Steve give their side of the story (if they feel like they need to).

reading the op, i never got the impression that anything was written in stone and that everything is still in the works and being discussed, so i am very confused with steve coming in and blasting the op over nothing other then a general he is wrong?

 

[speciallyblend]

what information? the information that we are taking iowa seriously? the info that national plans to do the heavy lifting?that a large portion of the next money bomb is going to be used in iowa?

what exactly was inaccurate, because what the op wrote is music to my ears and I failed to see anything that should be construed as divisive.

ditto

 

[Indy Vidual]

Things will get better soon!

Lots of assumptions being made all the way from (paraphrased) "Steve must've meant that everything in that post was a lie" to (paraphrased) "Steve is just making sure the campaign is covered against election fraud charges".

I say let Craig and Steve give their side of the story (if they feel like they need to).

Maybe I'm too harsh on "the fraudsters", but this is clear, easy to understand English, IMO:

• I am sorry but the information by Bergman is not correct. No Campaign staff has endorsed, approved or given a green light on what he is talking about.

No huge commitment to win Ames?
No Free buses*
No end to the time-wasting drama?

*There are no free buses ever

I know it's a big let-down... Things will get better soon!

 

[ARealConservative]

Maybe I'm too harsh on "the fraudsters", but this is clear, easy to understand English, IMO:

• I am sorry but the information by Bergman is not correct. No Campaign staff has endorsed, approved or given a green light on what he is talking about.

No huge commitment to win Ames?
No Free buses*
No end to the time-wasting drama?

*There are no free buses ever

I know it's a big let-down... Things will get better soon!

when people fear lawyers, nothing is clear.

I could see some major handwringing over the following:

We still need to proceed with our PAC and were strongly encouraged to do so

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my hunch is the reply was damage control because the campaign can't encourage the formation of private PAC's.

 

[Indy Vidual]

reading the op, i never got the impression that anything was written in stone...

...
I can say with absolute certainty three things: We still need to proceed with our PAC and were strongly encouraged to do so. We will need fewer buses and tickets than planned. How many fewer is not for public posting, but fewer is the word. The Campaign is going to commit "a significant portion" of the “Ready Ames Fire” money bomb directly to “Tickets and Buses”. The media was taking note and the words “Potential Frontrunner” were used more than a few times.

with absolute certainty = written in stone
Tell me if I'm wrong, and I'll show you otherwise.

 

[Dave Aiello]

---nvm---

 

[JoshLowry]

what is steve saying? because everything i just heard the op say was basically not written in stone and subject to change and very general but let us know the gist of a plan!!

It was written that way specifically.

The guys running this PAC found out that buses will be taken care of by the campaign.

What's going on is that the PAC, now a full fledged web portal, was formed and it has a number of new people with special interests in this being "THE GRASSROOTS PLAN" without really bringing anyone in from this site, but they are definitely using it to promote and spring board their launch.

I'm putting the brakes on the promotion of RPN and his PAC on this site. We may allow you to promote it again, but thus far, I'm not amused and need more info.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Obviously there is going to be a lot of special interest in starting "THE" PAC that got out in front first.

They are wording their "update" that makes them still look essential to Iowa without being upfront about the actual news.


The campaign will take care of buses. They won't have the same problems as 2007.


That's the news, however, it was neatly repackaged for you in a different way by LABIX for a specific purpose. Rather than being upfront, which is the crux of this whole thing, they have shown that they will spin information.

If the RPF collective is going to have a PAC that is born, promoted, and birthed on RPF, then I'm going to assemble a list of stellar RPF members who have been on the front lines for years, see which of them wants to be involved, and then make sure that the site has a prominent link back to the places that helped birth it.

 

[The Dark Knight]

I believe Craig may have to edit some of the language in his OP.

yep.
Ron paul Nation it might be smart to give the Iowa office a call and see what they have in mind for the straw poll. That way we can all be on the same page

 

[Indy Vidual]

when people fear lawyers, nothing is clear.

I could see some major handwringing over the following: .

my hunch is the reply was damage control because the campaign can't encourage the formation of private PAC's.

OK, hopefully some of the good parts are true.

 

[tmg19103]

Nothing is stopping the grassroots and RPF from moving forward with its plans for Iowa and we need to hit the ground running.

What the campaign ends up doing will only be gravy - albeit with some "coordination".

Josh is right on with his points.

 

[speciallyblend]

It was written that way specifically.

The guys running this PAC found out that buses will be taken care of by the campaign.

What's going on is that the PAC, now a full fledged web portal, was formed and it has a number of new people with special interests in this being "THE GRASSROOTS PLAN" without really bringing anyone in from this site, but they are definitely using it to promote and spring board their launch.

I'm putting the brakes on the promotion of RPN and his PAC on this site. We may allow you to promote it again, but thus far, I'm not amused and need more info.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Obviously there is going to be a lot of special interest in starting "THE" PAC that got out in front first.

They are wording their "update" that makes them still look essential to Iowa without being upfront about the actual news.


The campaign will take care of buses. They won't have the same problems as 2007.


That's the news, however, it was neatly repackaged for you in a different way by LABIX for a specific purpose. Rather than being upfront, which is the crux of this whole thing, they have shown that they will spin information.

If the RPF collective is going to have a PAC that is born, promoted, and birthed on RPF, then I'm going to assemble a list of stellar RPF members who have been on the front lines for years, see which of them wants to be involved, and then make sure that the site has a prominent link back to the places that helped birth it.

i understand all that but it doesn't explain steve!!

 

[Indy Vidual]

...
The campaign will take care of buses. They won't have the same problems as 2007....

Awesome!!!

...
That's the news, however, it was neatly repackaged for you in a different way by LABIX for a specific purpose. Rather than being upfront, which is the crux of this whole thing, they have shown that they will spin information.

Great news + "I was correct"
Thanks for the update Josh!

 

[JoshLowry]

Steve was vague.

 

[The Dark Knight]

I honestly think that the ron paul nation pac has the right intentions....however I think the campaign will be much more involved this time with buses and stuff like that.(we all assumed different because the campaign didn't do much in 07) Its still unclear what the official campaign wants to do at ames. I think them taking charge is great...im sure we will find out more in the coming days

 

[speciallyblend]

with absolute certainty = written in stone
Tell me if I'm wrong, and I'll show you otherwise.

I can say with absolute certainty three things: We still need to proceed with our PAC and were strongly encouraged to do so. We will need fewer buses and tickets than planned. How many fewer is not for public posting, but fewer is the word. The Campaign is going to commit "a significant portion" of the “Ready Ames Fire” money bomb directly to “Tickets and Buses”. The media was taking note and the words “Potential Frontrunner” were used more than a few times.

this is where he said this in context,please show me where he said something wrong here??? please explain or make something up at least!! and in context to what he said on those 3 things nothing is written in stone on those 3 points!! as far as i am concerned all 3 points were already known as common sense just not sure of all the details!!

 

[rp08orbust]

If the RPF collective is going to have a PAC that is born, promoted, and birthed on RPF, then I'm going to assemble a list of stellar RPF members who have been on the front lines for years, see which of them wants to be involved, and then make sure that the site has a prominent link back to the places that helped birth it.

I don't think there's any question that a grassroots PAC for Iowa needs to happen ASAP. So are you offering to launch one right now?