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[economics102]

Indeed.

The campaign turned out to not be in it to win it, so it becomes apparent why the official campaign shrugged and did nothing.

Which is very frustrating since this is now the second time in a row that the Ron Paul presidential campaign has taken a perfectly good opportunity and blown it.

I'm not saying it's obvious what the winning strategy would have been, but it's pretty clear the strategy they chose was a bad one. The only part of their strategy that was successful was the part the grassroots spearheaded, the delegate strategy, and then they blew that by not protecting the delegates.

 

[ninepointfive]

Which is very frustrating since this is now the second time in a row that the Ron Paul presidential campaign has taken a perfectly good opportunity and blown it.

I'm not saying it's obvious what the winning strategy would have been, but it's pretty clear the strategy they chose was a bad one. The only part of their strategy that was successful was the part the grassroots spearheaded, the delegate strategy, and then they blew that by not protecting the delegates.

I feel for those who donated lots of money and tireless activism to the campaign. Once again, the independent efforts suffered due to a centralization of decision making. But we're supposed to be able to trust the campaign in this case.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained? At least people are more aware of how the delegates process works.

 

[No1butPaul]

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained? At least people are more aware of how the delegates process works.

If this is referring to my comment, when I said nothing ventured, nothing gained it was in the context of the lawsuit.... but yes, alot of more people are aware of the delegate process which is probably why that have already making started talking about changing the process...

 

[devil21]

200 RNC delegates have been disqualified? WHAT?

Those wouldn't happen to be the same 200 that signed onto this lawsuit would it?

 

[CPUd]

200 RNC delegates have been disqualified? WHAT?

Those wouldn't happen to be the same 200 that signed onto this lawsuit would it?

I don't buy his claim that they are all RNC delegates. If you add in the various county and CDs delegations that didn't get seated, maybe.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't buy his claim that they are all RNC delegates. If you add in the various county and CDs delegations that didn't get seated, maybe.

He was going off surmise.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Which is very frustrating since this is now the second time in a row that the Ron Paul presidential campaign has taken a perfectly good opportunity and blown it.

Yeah, it had nothing to do with the media or anything else.

I'm not saying it's obvious what the winning strategy would have been,

Really? You sound like you think you know it all.

but it's pretty clear the strategy they chose was a bad one.

Yeah, 30 Million is plenty to run a national campaign. Nevermind that David Dewhurst put 10 Million of his own money into his already stocked campaign for U.S. Senate, when that campaign is only being run in Texas; not nationwide.

The only part of their strategy that was successful was the part the grassroots spearheaded, the delegate strategy, and then they blew that by not protecting the delegates.

I think you are forgetting that YAL/C4L have been holding training sessions across the country for the last several years teaching supporters the ins and outs of parliamentary procedure, etc. so that they could execute the delegate strategy that the campaign had.

I don't know why they didn't legally fight more than they did, when there was evidence to prove the cheating. I wish they had. Perhaps they were getting bad legal advice from the campaign lawyers. I don't know and you do not know, either.

So kiss off with all the bashing. You're not being constructive. All you are doing is bashing when you don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.

 

[FindLiberty]

Those wouldn't happen to be the same 200 that signed onto this lawsuit would it?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I love that picture! Used to have a copy tacked to my wall. Thanks for posting!

+rep

-t

 

[sailingaway]

If you recall, one of the attorneys' ideas was to get other potential candidates interested in jumping in if delegates were unbound to return to a true brokered convention. Dunno how I feel about it exactly, but here is a tweet from the attorney's twitter account:

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press
@tweetAmiracle yes, the call helps. we intentionally disclose strategy

16m USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press
@tweetAmiracle -I received an e mail on behalf of Sarah Palin - We may have hit the Jackpot
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S brings unpredictability like none of the others, though, because she has real grassroots, more like Ron. Don't know if they will be in Tampa, however.

 

[devil21]

Palin eh? She's got a nose for getting herself in the middle of things and bringing attention to it even if she's just being selfish.

 

[WhistlinDave]

200 RNC delegates have been disqualified? WHAT?

Those wouldn't happen to be the same 200 that signed onto this lawsuit would it?

I'll have to listen to it again but when he said that there were delegates who were already stripped of their status, and they probably can't be helped now, my impression of it was he wasn't talking about national delegates. I think he was talking about delegates who were stripped before getting the opportunity to become national delegates. For them, there isn't really any civil remedy because there isn't any way of knowing if they eventually would have become national delegates if they had not been knocked out before reaching that stage.

I was left with the impression that if somebody was un-delegatized and they were a national delegate, as part of this lawsuit they can seek to get reinstated if that delegate becomes a plaintiff. (Like the ousted delegates in Mass. for example. He talked about trying to get them all reinstated but he needs them to become plaintiffs in order to do it.)

He was also making the point that all national delegates should become plaintiffs now, before they are stripped of their delegate status, because once you become a plaintiff, you will be more protected from that happening, at least in theory. (Because then the GOP is really stepping in the mud if they mess with you and you're a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Because presumably any criminal penalties later will be even more stiff.)

 

[WhistlinDave]

Duplicate post

 

[economics102]

Palin eh? She's got a nose for getting herself in the middle of things and bringing attention to it even if she's just being selfish.

Is this true or are you just assuming this from the portrayal of her in "Game Change"?

 

[Revolution9]

I got the little thorns out of my finger from the thistles, bump

Vinegar will kill the thistles.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

How do you kill them?

Vinegar.

Rev9

 

[WhistlinDave]

What's the reference to thistles about?

 

[devil21]

Is this true or are you just assuming this from the portrayal of her in "Game Change"?

Game Change wasn't friendly to her so I'm not sure how you get that from my post.

4 years later she's still relevant. Can't ignore that. When she talks, she gets media time.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Vinegar will kill the thistles.

Rev9

I'll give that a shot, thanks