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sailingaway said:
I wasn't raising it as an objection to the suit, I am still on the fence about that and really hope it is a good thing. I was more saying the attorneys don't seem aware of all the facts. Mass won't be a majority RP in any event, we got a supermajority of the CD delegates, but all those picked by the allocation committee went to Romney. On the other hand they seem NOT to be aware that unless the credentials committee are squirrelly, which they well may be, Ron SHOULD have the delegates in 5 states. At least.
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Agree.He SHOULD have the delegates in 5 states. Problem is that GOP thinks he should not and are doing what they can to make it so.
 
LOLOLOL @ the response to the question at 2:52:44

here is a video re-enactment that sums it up:

 
Thanks for the link to audio but Im not listening to that, hence asking for Cliff Notes.

Did anybody actually listen to this thing?
 
On a related note, check around 56:00 where they talk about money.





Does anyone have contact info for Carlos Beltran? I wanna compare some notes.
 
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devil21 said:
Thanks for the link to audio but Im not listening to that, hence asking for Cliff Notes.

Did anybody actually listen to this thing?
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I think the last final tally spoken was around 140..

Was on the phone for the duration .. quick summary... based on my memory..

the lawyers stated they have been in the contact with the highest echelon of Dr. Paul's campaign. They are wanting to talk to delegates that wish to be unbound even if the delegates choice is to vote for Romney.. Mr. Gilbert blasted some of the staff at Daily Paul... Mr. Gilbert also challenged those who spoke against the lawsuit to propose a plan.. 80%-ish of the states have been served... Mr. Gilbert's argument for the lawsuit is basically that if the Judge does not rule in favor of the delegates, then nothing has changed, but if the Judge does rule in favor of the delegates, then Tampa basically becomes a brokered convention. The oddest part of the call is when someone, I think from this forum, asked Mr. Gilbert in a round-about way about very the odd tweeter account and messages about working in intel and so forth... Mr. Gilbert confirmed it, but in a slightly defensive and dismissive approach.

Dave Calihan (Op Manager) said they could use people with organizational and administrative skills; if interested http://electionfraudremedy.com/. Mr. Gilbert made reference to Dr. Paul's "secret" convention weapon being Rule 40, which he does not have much faith in it since it is listed under the RNC's temporary rules, but insisted that it still could used as a last resort, regardless of the lawsuit. Mr. Gilbert said this lawsuit is essentially Dr. Paul's last legitimate attempt at winning the nomination. Oh yeah, Mr. Gilbert also spoke confidently of Judge Carter to rule based upon the law and not influence.

Basically, what they are looking for now are more plaintiffs and evidence.
 
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The call was colorful, wide ranging and long. It is kind of hard to summarize particularly since my own reaction was through my impressions, rather than through the discussion, as much as not. He chose this remedy because there isn't time before convention to get another one, it seemed, essentially.
 
Thanks for the synopsis!

Basically the only "news" relevant to the actual civil suit is that the judge is impartial.

No new court filings, nothing from the AUSA?




SilenceDewgooder said:
I think the last final tally spoken was around 140..

Was on the phone for the duration .. quick summary... based on my memory..

the lawyers stated they have been in the contact with the highest echelon of Dr. Paul's campaign. They are wanting to talk to delegates that wish to be unbound even if the delegates choice is to vote for Romney.. Mr. Gilbert blasted some of the staff at Daily Paul... Mr. Gilbert also challenged those who spoke against the lawsuit to propose a plan.. 80%-ish of the states have been served... Mr. Gilbert's arguement for the lawsuit is basically that if the Judge does not rule in favor of the delegates, then nothing has changed, but if the Judge does rule in favor of the delegates, then Tampa basically becomes a brokered convention. The oddest part of the call is when someone, I think from this forum, asked Mr. Gilbert in a round-about way to very the odd tweeter account and messages about working in intel and so forth... Mr. Gilbert confirmed it, but in a slightly defensive and dismissive approach.

Dave Calihan (Op Manager) said they could use people with organizational and administrative skills; if interested http://electionfraudremedy.com/. Mr. Gilbert made reference to Dr. Paul's "secret" convention weapon being Rule 40, which he does not have much faith in it since it is listed under the RNC's temporary rules, but insisted that it still could used as a last resort, regardless of the lawsuit. Mr. Gilbert said this lawsuit is essential Dr. Paul's last legitimate attempt at winning the nomination. Oh yeah, Mr. Gilbert also spoke confidently of Judge Carter to rule based upon the law and not influence.

Basically, what they are looking for now are more plaintiffs and evidence.
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tod evans said:
Thanks for the synopsis!

Basically the only "news" relevant to the actual civil suit is that the judge is impartial.

No new court filings, nothing from the AUSA?
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I think the "nothing to lose" and "everything to gain" logic behind the lawsuit and volunteering is relevant..

"Nothing ventured, nothing gained"
 
All I know is Ron Paul has to become our President! This is the only path we still have open!

Being nice, and thinking that the GOP will value us, and want to comform their platform to our wishes, IMO is more of a fantasy than actually winning this law suit.
 
tod evans said:
Thanks for the synopsis!

Basically the only "news" relevant to the actual civil suit is that the judge is impartial.

No new court filings, nothing from the AUSA?
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He said the court had complete discretion about the timing, it can grant extensions or not, expedite or not, but that this judge he feels confident will hear the matter prior to the convention. Someone raised that apparently Orly Taitz had a suit before him and he threw it out procedurally, and the atty said that in that case BECAUSE the judge is a Constitutionalist, he called them in for a special hearing on why the full faith and credit clause of the constitution shouldn't apply to the sworn affidavit by the records keeper in the state of Hawaii that Obama was born there. I am not familiar enough with the case to comment, but apparently the hearing was an extra step to allow arguments specifically on the issue the court was considering, and the atty didn't think it bode poorly for this case.

There was relevant stuff there but it is a matter of how you read the attorney's 'body language', none of which is coming through here, and I'm not ready to speculate on it.
 
TrishW said:
All I know is Ron Paul has to become our President! This is the only path we still have open!

Being nice, and thinking that the GOP will value us, and want to comform their platform to our wishes, IMO is more of a fantasy than actually winning this law suit.
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to be honest, that was the main thing that came through with the questioners, that they were ready to get behind it fully and try to make it a success because they saw it as the only game in town.
 
After listening to the full 2-hour conference call, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is legit and smart.

Meanwhile, the most depressing part of this call was when he said about 200 delegates have already been thrown out by the RNC and probably can't be helped. I think we're going to look back on this and wish we had jumped behind this guy fully and sooner than later. And his legal strategy will validate that the campaign itself should have taken this approach earlier.
 
economics102 said:
After listening to the full 2-hour conference call, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is legit and smart.

Meanwhile, the most depressing part of this call was when he said about 200 delegates have already been thrown out by the RNC and probably can't be helped. I think we're going to look back on this and wish we had jumped behind this guy fully and sooner than later. And his legal strategy will validate that the campaign itself should have taken this approach earlier.
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i'm thinking the same thing.
 
IF (great big IF) this civil suit fly's and delegates are unbound a fellow has to wonder just how many of the drones will actually show up and battle it out?

A bunch of stuffed shirts going to a coronation party in Florida is quite a bit different than a contested convention....
 
I got the original mp3 from their website - it's 3:13:25.
If there's an edited version I hope they took out the parts where he was bulldozing over the questions he didn't like - such as about his Intel and Strategic Air Command, credentials. He may mean well, in fact I have no doubt he's in it for real, but his communication needs a bit more honey and a little less vinegar...

Having said that, he's my (and this country's) hero if he pulls this off succesfully. Sounds like he has it well thought out. I think we should support him.
 
I wasn't especially angry at the official campaign originally even though I support the L4RP efforts, but now that I think about it and think about how 200 of the delegates we fought so hard for have supposedly been stripped of their delegate status, I'm really angry at the campaign now for not spearheading the defense of them.

It's not like the campaign sent out an email saying "we're going to fight to defend our legitimately-elected delegates, donate to us to help fund our legal defense" and people didn't donate. I'm SURE people would donate for something like that. The campaign simply let themselves be pushed around, something Dr. Paul himself told us not to let happen.
 
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