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[No1butPaul]

Which is why Ron conceded the race in the first place.

True ... and goes to my point!

All delegates, including Romney's, are already unbound in Tampa. There's no delegates to have to "strip" from Romney . They can throw their hat in the ring for Paul at the convention already.

This is not widely known and accepted ... that's why Richard is taking this "question" to Judge Carter so he can get it on a piece of paper.

 

[PatriotOne]

Here is the thing about this ruling. If the judge says the States rights are protected, then nothing changes. If the Judge rules that the Federal law is supreme, then everything changes.

You have it backward. The delegates are already unbound via Federal rules. The only thing the court can change is to bind them to the State Rules.

 

[jcannon98188]

PatriotOne, I know you get a hard on when you bash these guys, but please shut the hell up. You have no proof that these guys are lying about anything, you are just speculating. If you don't want to get involved, then don't get involved, but you are really starting to piss me off. There is no need for you to dig up every little thing this guy has said, and use it to try and attack them. Ron Paul has no chance of winning without this, so the worst thing that can happen, is Ron Paul doesn't win. Now best case scenario, we are unbound and he does win. Awesome. Most likely scenario, we are unbound and he doesn't win. Atleast we tried. Next time, come up with a plan to win, because you obviously know better than everyone else.

TLDR, go screw yourself.

 

[PatriotOne]

This is not widely known and accepted ... that's why Richard is taking this "question" to Judge Carter so he can get it on a piece of paper.

Of course our delegates already know they are unbound. The campaign is in communication with our delegates.

 

[robertwerden]

You have it backward. The delegates are already unbound via Federal rules. The only thing the court can change is to bind them to the State Rules.

During the phone call last night this was asked, and he said he has a letter from the RNC stating that was false. The rumor that all delegates will be accepted as unbound at the RNC was misinformation to prevent delegates from taking action to guarantee an unbound status.

So if you go to the RNC as a delegate who is bound to Mitt Romney thinking you can just declare that according to a rule you read and a conversation you had with some secretary at GOP headquarters that you are unbound, you will be laughed at and probably ejected from the convention.

However if Richard gets a injunction and federal marshals are in attendance to protect you from being bound, I think you will have a much better chance of actually getting to vote.

The divide in the grassroots is pretty drastic.
On one side there are the people who are worried that shaking the bee hive will ruin our chances now, and in future elections.
On the other side, there are those of us who are committed to not only getting Ron Paul elected, but also committed to stopping the cycle of events that bring us up against this exact situation during every election.

If you are worried about being thrown back into the fringe because we made to much of a fuss, then you miss the entire embodiment of this revolution.

 

[No1butPaul]

Of course our delegates already know they are unbound. The campaign is in communication with our delegates.

There is not enough of them ... others need to throw their hat in the ring to deny Romney. I don't know how many different ways there is to say this.

Any chance someone can set up a simple poll here to see whose on board, whose not, and whose still trying to figure this out.

 

[zachrbroussard]

Of course our delegates already know they are unbound. The campaign is in communication with our delegates.

You're right, delegates are clearly free to vote however they want, just ask the Mass delegates, they'll tell you!

 

[robertwerden]

 

[PatriotOne]

During the phone call last night this was asked, and he said he has a letter from the RNC stating that was false. The rumor that all delegates will be accepted as unbound at the RNC was misinformation to prevent delegates from taking action to guarantee an unbound status.

Well now. You would think he would have scanned and posted that supposed letter to share with everybody.

 

[robertwerden]

Well now. You would think he would have scanned and posted that supposed letter to share with everybody.

You are assuming he will not. Perhaps if you doubt the letter is real you could ask him for a copy? The letter will be evidence and through discovery laws he will have to release it.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

And, don't forget there is precedent for this. Richard gave the name of the case which he sited as precedent ... by any chance do you remember what that is?

1995 - Morse Vs RNC - Virginia

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-203.ZO.html

Good luck disecting it.

Now, for PatriotOne and all others who seem so eager to denounce actions or initiates by someone else. What do you propose we do?

 

[PatriotOne]

1995 - Morse Vs RNC - Virginia

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-203.ZO.html

Good luck disecting it.

Now, for PatriotOne and all others who seem so eager to denounce actions or initiates by someone else. What do you propose we do?

To let the official campaign advise the delegates. Not to encourage our delegates to give their names and addresses and phone numbers to every fruitcake who professes to be an undercover "white hat" intel operative/lawyer working with other undercover intel operatives who claim to be fighting against the New World Order, aka, controlled opposition.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

To let the official campaign advise the delegates. Not to encourage our delegates to give their names and addresses and phone numbers to every fruitcake who professes to be an undercover "white hat" intel operative/lawyer working with other undercover intel operatives who claim to be fighting against the New World Order, aka, controlled opposition.

Just so I am understanding correctly, you want "us" (the members of this forum), to simply wait for the convention? And what is the campaign's goal at the convention?

 

[[email protected]]

I don't know much about this case. Been to busy to really follow. I do see a lot of people discouraging are delegates to do this. I don't see the problem with it. Yes is there a chance that they will lose this case. At least are delegates are trying to protect themselves. Especially after how they treated are delegates in 2008. If you don't do nothing you will not be heard. If they win this case then the delegates wont be threatened around every corner. Right now the GOP is planning how to make sure the Delegates of Paul are thrown out anyways. You might as well try to fight.

 

[Barrex]

He allready did..... but lets not keep reality stand in our witch hunt.

 

[PatriotOne]

Just so I am understanding correctly, you want "us" (the members of this forum), to simply wait for the convention? And what is the campaign's goal at the convention?

I don't know what their goal is. Why would they tell me or you what their goal is? "Maybe, just MAYBE, they don't want the Romney campaign to know what their goal is so they don't tell all the knuckleheads out here in forumville what it is...Doug Wead". That's what Doug Wead said though I am taking liberty with the wording of his statement.

RonPaulTribune: Doug Wead and Jeremy Richter Interview About Ron Paul And Campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF0c6K2LQm8

 

[RonRules]

To let the official campaign advise the delegates.

Considering that this has not gotten us anywhere thus far, I rather go with the option we have now, which is supporting Lawyers for Ron Paul as much as possible.

As it is, we're lost. They have a plan and we can win in 2012 using their strategy. I am personally helping them.

 

[affa]

me too. I missed the first part where the "crazy" stuff was being said...(was killing thistles in the cow pasture).

Did you have a sieve of sifted thistles or a sieve of unsifted thistles?

 

[affa]

There are others running for office now and others still who will be running in the future, other than Rand Paul.

The liberty movement does not end with this election.

except if they're able to stuff our attempt with Ron Paul, what chance do we have?

we'll never have such a whirlwind of grassroots support behind another person like we do with RP.
no candidate will ever have such an incredible record (at least, not for 30 years) of liberty.

and most importantly, we caught them flatfooted in 2008 -- nobody expected Ron Paul to take off the way he did, and we've capitalized on it in 2012. If they can thwart Ron Paul, they'll be sure to put in that many more safeguards against people like him. Which means we'll have a harder fight, with less grassroots enthusiasm, and without an icon like Ron Paul.

It's now or never. I know some of you really envision the liberty movement moving forward... and it will, of course... but I can't help but believe this is our time. Or else we'll be waiting decades for another chance like this, and we don't have decades to wait.

 

[affa]

@No1butPaul,

I understand your grasping at something because it "seems" it's a thread to hold on to, BUT, and this is a big but (I like big...n/m), if Ron can get a real nomination from the floor to be nominated to be the nominee, then he can have an unedited speach that can and will turn the hearts of delegates to the idea and reality of freedom and liberty, on..his...own...in...his...own...right.

Ron Paul getting to give an epic speech (the speech of his lifetime, really) that converts mainstream delegates to Ron Paul at the last minute would be the most... hollywood-esque nomination of all time.