Unions Kill The Twinkie

[RonPaulFanInGA]

as a once hardworking union member in Bakers Local 9 now retired, i take personal offense at this and demand an apology.

Demand? Or what, you'll go on strike and not post on RonPaulForums?

 

[FrankRep]

as a once hardworking union member in Bakers Local 9 now retired, i take personal offense at this and demand an apology.

Are you gonna strike or something if no apology is given?

 

[angelatc]

The Jungle was a novel written by a rabid socialist who hated capitalism and knew nothing about the meatpacking industry.

OK, but have you actually read it?

 

[mad cow]

No.

 

[angelatc]

The Jungle is fiction. It is a novel and has no connection to reality.

Sigh. Have you actually read it?

And what you said isn't quite true. While it is indeed fiction, it was certainly connected to reality. Sinclair was contracted to go to Chicago and create a novel that would tell the tale of what was happening there. Every single example he gave was verified, with the exception of the worker who fell into the vat, never to be recovered. When asked about that, Sinclair said that when that happened, the company was always careful to "help" the family return to the old country, so that they could not tell the tale.

You can hate his politics, but Sinclair graduated high school at something like 10 years old. (Too lazy to go to Wikipedia to look it up.) He was academically brilliant. I can't imagine he would need to lie about the slums of Chicago. They actually did exist.

Assuming you haven't read it, he didn't exactly conclude government was the answer. In the story, government is stupid at best, and corrupt at worse. Management doesn't need to pay much in the way of wages because there is a never-ending flood of immigrants to hire. The union bosses are crooked and uninterested in the workers, and even the workers are seriously flawed humans.

 

[mad cow]

Did you read my link?

 

[Kodaddy]

Does it seem counterintuitive to anyone that Washington legalized marijuana and discontinued Twinkies?

 

[angelatc]

Unions have probably strong-armed politicians into passing laws making that illegal.

Not just laws. They have an entire federal government division. National Labor Relations Board ring any bells? They tried to stop Boeing from moving to a right to work state.

 

[angelatc]

the blanket comment of CJ's post an unions destroying shit is absurd and an insult to this union member. How about i insult the mods?...all of em..even though they are a fair bunch for the most part. What do you think would happen to me?...

Really, it isn't an insult to disagree with you about the importance of unions.

 

[Kodaddy]

While we're on the subject, does anyone know what was the greatest thing BEFORE sliced bread?

 

[Noob]

I bet those who want junk food to be ban or heavily tax are jumping for joy about this news.

 

[jclay2]

Don't believe the propoganda that the twinkie is dead. This is the same bs that the media projected when the auto bailouts happened. Bankruptcy just passes on assets to more responsible owners. That is it. Products continue on, but ownership and equity changes.

 

[angelatc]

Did you read my link?

Yes, but if you had read the book, this discussion would be easier. I really don't like socialists, but I at least give them the courtesy of reading their propaganda and then reaching my own conclusions.

I saw a Catholic write column after column about the evil Ayn Rand, while happily admitting she had never read a single thing Rand had written. I vowed never to be that person.

 

[mad cow]

I have never read the book,but I have read many articles on the book,granted overwhelmingly from a free market or libertarian slant.I have also never read any of his other 90 or so books.
So many books,so little time.

 

[tod evans]

There is so much truth in this post it bears repeating!

Reading some of the previous posts there are some on this board who wholeheartedly support this "new model"...

Because over the last four decades or so, ever since Nixon and Kissinger handed over our economy to Chairman Mao in 1971, the amount of production that is truly "value added" has been shrinking in the US.

That is the sort of work where experience, knowledge, skills and a strong work ethic in your labor force is to be valued, in fact, is essential and like a piece of expensive machinery or any other high dollar investment in capital, should be treated with respect and properly cared for.

The new model of employment, where little, if anything, of value is actually produced, has little use for such outdated notions.

Labor and employees now are a sunk cost, overhead, no different than a light bill or cost of office supplies, to be cut and trimmed and squeezed back to the last penny.

 

[tod evans]

Try in your mind to juxtapose Interstate Bakery with the US government, union workers with government employees, and stock holders with tax-payers.

 

[JK/SEA]

Really, it isn't an insult to disagree with you about the importance of unions.

his comment was like a left hook to my jaw. And getting hit by someone i've never met says a lot about his character....and yours.

Lets see...whats the word?...oh yeah...collectivist.

A riot breaks out in South L.A. by mostly black people, destroying shit right?...sooo, in your mind ALL black people are destructive.

I've already posted his apology.

gtfo

 

[JK/SEA]

There is so much truth in this post it bears repeating!

Reading some of the previous posts there are some on this board who wholeheartedly support this "new model"...

i agree with most of that post. Just a tad too 'broad brush' though....but yeah, good thoughts.

 

[JK/SEA]

Are you gonna strike or something if no apology is given?

he already apologized.

smarty pants. Hey, your momma is calling you. Time for your nap.

 

[RockEnds]

While we're on the subject, does anyone know what was the greatest thing BEFORE sliced bread?

emulsified chocolate?