Unions Kill The Twinkie

[RockEnds]

They made Nature's Pride? Argh. I wouldn't buy Twinkies or Wonder Bread to save my soul, but Nature's Pride is the brand I buy. Oh, now I'm bummed.

 

[fr33]

The free market is not a slave ship. You don't get to employ people for less than they're willing to work for.

This is true. A free market, if one existed, would not be a slave ship. This current market however is slavery. Business owners are forced by threat of the government gun to allow a union on their property. They are forced by that same violent entity to accept terms of unions that they do not voluntarily agree to. The slave today is the person that creates commerce. His masters are those take over his business and destroy it from the inside.

A free market would not have coercive unions. This is not a free market.

 

[rprprs]

Anything other than maximum profit is malinvestment of capital.

Speaking of vulture capitalists: Twinkies, Ho Hos going for $100 and more on eBay

Yikes... price gouging on Twinkies!
Can you imagine how conflicted Chris Christie must be.

 

[tod evans]

They made Nature's Pride? Argh. I wouldn't buy Twinkies or Wonder Bread to save my soul, but Nature's Pride is the brand I buy. Oh, now I'm bummed.

Beefsteak rye too..

 

[Keith and stuff]

Hostess doesn't make anything unique and all of the more popular brands will likely be sold, just as the company said would happen...

 

[RockEnds]

Beefsteak rye too..

So you're saying maybe I want a new bread maker for Christmas? Dang. Sliced, store bought bread is so handy. I don't want bleached flour or HFCS, though. As much as I'll miss sliced bread, I still hope there's no bailout. I am so sick of corporate bailouts.

 

[Carson]

We are all going to need to organize if we are ever to stop the free fall of our living standard.

It is the governments wars on EVERYTHING that has tapped us dry.

I've had some strong feelings against Unions in my time. They have had their place at times though.


Globalize us and rip us off. What if we held world wide strikes just for a little attention?


I don't see the end to the Twinkie. They will sell to someone else.

 

[kylejack]

A free market would not have coercive unions. This is not a free market.

That's the fault of legislators, not unions or labor.

 

[fr33]

That's the fault of legislators, not unions or labor.

Yet the unions continue to lobby the legislators for more power and use it to aggress against businesses. Unions are just another violent arm of the state. They claim wealth and property that they did not earn and use the threat of government violence to collect it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Warning lights are flashing down at Quality Control
Somebody threw a spanner and they threw him in the hole
There's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
There's a meeting in the boardroom they're trying to trace the smell
There's leaking in the washroom there's a sneak in personnel
Somewhere in the corridors someone was heard to sneeze
'goodness me could this be Industrial Disease?

The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
They're refusing to be pacified it's him they blame the most
The watchdog's got rabies the foreman's got fleas
And everyone's concerned about Industrial Disease
There's panic on the switchboard tongues are ties in knots
Some come out in sympathy some come out in spots
Some blame the management some the employees
And everybody knows it's the Industrial Disease

The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
Innocence is injured experience just talks
Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
That these are 'classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze'
On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse
Philosophy is useless theology is worse
History boils over there's an economics freeze
Sociologists invent words that mean 'Industrial Disease'

Doctor Parkinson declared 'I'm not surprised to see you here
You've got smokers cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer
I don't know how you came to get the Betty Davis knees
But worst of all young man you've got Industrial Disease'
He wrote me a prescription he said 'you are depressed
But I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
Come back and see me later - next patient please
Send in another victim of Industrial Disease'

I go down to Speaker's Corner I'm thunderstruck
They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks
Two men say they're Jesus one of them must be wrong
There's a protest singer singing a protest song - he says
'they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
They wanna have a war to keep their factories
They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
They wanna have a war to stop Industrial Disease
They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind
They give you Rule Brittania, gassy beer, page three
Two weeks in Espana and Sunday striptease'

Meanwhile the first Jesus says 'I'd cure it soon
Abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons'
The other one's on a hunger strike he's dying by degrees
How come Jesus gets Industrial Disease

 

[LibForestPaul]

lets be real. The strategy is/was to break the Union. Trust me, the dogs in mgmt. in a few years will resurrect Wonder/Hostess as non-union, which will guarantee the upper class and stock holders their pound of flesh in the guise of FRN's...and instead of good paying living wages, and benefits there will be zero medical and pension plans that pay perhaps 10 bucks hr. I wouldn't work in a bakery for that. I also operated ovens, and in the summer months i recorded 110 degrees in the area. Exhaust fans were always on high mode to keep it at that temp. Go ahead, TRY and work in a bakery like that for those wages. I'd love to see one of you try. I've seen many people walk off the job because of the conditions and very hard work required. Its not for everybody.

Thanks for sharing. I had a talk with someone at work. Union bad is already at play. I guess cause the script of blaming bad ole republicans doesn't work with those union protecting dems in power. Serfs, time for some serfs.

 

[Matt Collins]

 

[kylejack]

Yet the unions continue to lobby the legislators for more power and use it to aggress against businesses. Unions are just another violent arm of the state. They claim wealth and property that they did not earn and use the threat of government violence to collect it.

Gee, who else does that? Ah yes, capital, but you're only condemning labor for it, not capital.

 

[LibForestPaul]

why should they quit?...why can't employers treat their workers well?...seems like a good biz practice to me. Keep em happy. They work for you, and are glad to because you treat them well...union or otherwise...

Because you and your union brothers are nothing. This is how they think. They are special and unique. You are a resource, like a stapler, or an oven.

 

[fr33]

Gee, who else does that? Ah yes, capital, but you're only condemning labor for it, not capital.

I do that because the percentage of unions that rely on govt backing is larger than businesses that seek govt backing.

Nothing makes me happier than seeing a union strike that ultimately ends with those strikers losing their jobs. Justice, sweet justice. The victim has been drained and no longer has any milk money for the bully to steal.

 

[Anti Federalist]

why should they quit?...why can't employers treat their workers well?...seems like a good biz practice to me. Keep em happy. They work for you, and are glad to because you treat them well...union or otherwise...

Because over the last four decades or so, ever since Nixon and Kissinger handed over our economy to Chairman Mao in 1971, the amount of production that is truly "value added" has been shrinking in the US.

That is the sort of work where experience, knowledge, skills and a strong work ethic in your labor force is to be valued, in fact, is essential and like a piece of expensive machinery or any other high dollar investment in capital, should be treated with respect and properly cared for.

The new model of employment, where little, if anything, of value is actually produced, has little use for such outdated notions.

Labor and employees now are a sunk cost, overhead, no different than a light bill or cost of office supplies, to be cut and trimmed and squeezed back to the last penny.

 

[kylejack]

I do that because the percentage of unions that rely on govt backing is larger than businesses that seek govt backing.

Nothing makes me happier than seeing a union strike that ultimately ends with those strikers losing their jobs. Justice, sweet justice. The victim has been drained and no longer has any milk money for the bully to steal.

But surely you'd change your tune if we were talking about a specific company that was relying on the government to service the pension program they agreed to pay their employees, right? Such as Hostess. http://www.pionline.com/article/201...terminate-pension-plan-as-part-of-liquidation

 

[angelatc]

That's the fault of legislators, not unions or labor.

Hasn't anybody here read "The Jungle?" The markets were free-er, immigration was open, working conditions were crap, and workers were disposable.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The Jungle is fiction. It is a novel and has no connection to reality.

 

[Dr.3D]

But surely you'd change your tune if we were talking about a specific company that was relying on the government to service the pension program they agreed to pay their employees, right? Such as Hostess. http://www.pionline.com/article/201...terminate-pension-plan-as-part-of-liquidation

I kind of figured it was more about the company trying to eliminate both their union problem and their legacy costs. Now they can re-brand under a different name and start all over again without those problems.