Two National Guardsmen shot in DC - Trump orders 500 more NG troops deployed

[nikcers]

Bot says we did Vietnam a great favor making them battle hardened.

Bloodthirsty bot is bloodthirsty.

The alternative would be them being genocided like Tibet and the many other regions of China that are not Han.

 

[ClaytonB]

Bot says we did Vietnam a great favor making them battle hardened.

Bloodthirsty bot is bloodthirsty.

It's the first time I've heard this particular excuse. Amazing. And our wise war-planners did such a good job covering up their true plans with the rooftop helicopter extraction from Saigon.... with stunts like that, China would never guess why we really went to Vietnam!

"By their fruits you will know them [the false prophets]" -- the bot is a portal for the throat of hell.



"The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell." (James 3:6)

 

[ClaytonB]

The alternative would be them being genocided like Tibet and the many other reasons of China that are not Han.

It's like trying to reason with a woman. But somehow even worse...

 

[nikcers]

It's like trying to reason with a woman. But somehow even worse...

Well protesting in the streets definitely didn't help in Hong Kong did it?

Do you think they should have just protested harder and sent some strongly worded letters and that would have stopped the communists from taking over?

To this day Vietnam likes the USA more than they like the CCP because when mainland China invaded Vietnam they did it to take their land.

 

[ClaytonB]

To this day Vietnam likes the USA more than they like the CCP because when mainland China invaded Vietnam they did it to take their land.

Vietnam has maintained cordial relations with the US and has formally forgiven the US for our countless war-crimes against them, presumably because of the influence of the Gospel there.

If any country in the world did on our territory what we have done to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. etc. etc. every American sitting on their couch trying to watch football would be infuriated. US foreign policy since WW2 has been an absolute bull-in-a-china-shop -- there is absolutely no mutuality in US foreign policy, it is the purest conceivable form of might-makes-right. We have nukes, you don't. So if we blow up your country with conventional explosives, consider it an act of mercy. Even the ancient Persians had more diplomacy than that. Our foreign policy is rank madness, lunatics with helicopter-mounted mini-guns and flamethrowers. The only remedy is for the traitors and pirates in the Federal government to be rounded up and locked up. Until that happens, the madness will continue, unabated.

The US government is the enemy of the whole world, and especially the American people...

 

[ClaytonB]

A Veteran's Apology to the People of Vietnam
By Tim Martin

There will never be a day when the Vietnam War is not on my mind. It
was one of the worst mistakes America has ever made. Vietnam was fought
for big money interests and promoted under the guise of nationalism.
The war should have taught us a humbling lesson, but we let it slip
away. Peace has become the enemy of corporate-run America. Our nation
is accustomed to viewing life through the cross hairs of a rifle scope.
We are a society in search of constant battle.

Over the past 50 years Americans have been spoon-fed whatever
revisionist propaganda about Vietnam our leaders want us to hear. Their
lies have kept us from understanding the truth: the war in Southeast
Asia was immoral and unjust, a brutality akin to slavery and the
genocide of the American Indian. Vietnam produced a realization in me
that, much like the British redcoats who once tried to destroy our
freedom, I had fought on the wrong side.

I am a veteran who would like to apologize to the people of Vietnam,
Laos, and Cambodia for my part in the war. I joined the US Navy in 1966
to battle a nation that had been in a prolonged struggle to free itself
from foreign domination. The Vietnamese defeated the Japanese
occupation during the Second World War. In 1945, they declared
themselves independent from France. They wanted only what America's
Founding Fathers wanted, liberty and independence.

In 1965, the US sent an army to Vietnam to battle a new revolutionary
nationalist movement called the National Liberation Front (the Viet
Cong). Our soldiers were told that all struggles for national
liberation were ex-USSR or China led "Communist conspiracies." That was
a lie. The Vietnam War was a pointless exercise in destruction.
Americans were ordered to burn Vietnamese villages, destroy large areas
of the countryside, and kill as many enemy fighters as possible. Our
military dropped napalm and cluster bombs and sprayed people with
herbicides. The results were death and injury, lifelong illness and
genetic mutation.

The suffering did not end with the liberation of Saigon in 1975.

Author Edward Tick, known for his groundbreaking work with Vietnam
veterans, wrote a book called "Fallen Leaves, Broken Lives." He
collected statistics by searching history books, newspapers, and
archives, and interviewing survivors and scholars throughout the United
States and Southeast Asia. Here is what he discovered:

During the course of the war 2.5 million Vietnamese were killed, 4
million were wounded and 250,000 went missing in action. There have
been 67,000 people maimed and 50,000 post-war deaths because of
unexploded bombs and mines in Vietnam. Post-Traumatic Stress
Disorder and suicide numbers are unknown, but there are an estimated
3 million disabled street people in Vietnam.

The environmental damage was enormous, ranging from devastated
forests to petrol-poisoned rice fields. The US bombing in Vietnam
(approximately 8 billion pounds worth) was 4 times more than during
World War II. Over 5,778 Vietnamese villages, 15,100 bridges, 2,923
high schools and universities, 1,500 maternity hospitals and 484
churches were destroyed or damaged. Agent Orange-related deformities
still occur at the rate of 35,000 a year. 11.7 million gallons of
the deadly chemical were sprayed over the countryside.

I wish the Vietnam War could have ended with some form of introspection
and reconciliation on our part, but America's leaders were (and still
are) out to lunch. We have become an enormous military camp intent on
creating new enemies and wreaking havoc around the world. The US has
reached the point where warfare no longer requires victory. Our
failures are self-inflicted. The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) is a
parasite on this country, and our politicians treat young soldiers like
consumable assets.

There is some good news: Americans are growing immune to our
government's attempts to propagandize faux patriotism into a good and
necessary thing. We are learning that war is rarely about a moral
higher ground. US citizens are finally beginning to understand that our
addiction to battle is a symptom of the sickness that pervades us.

Time does not heal all wounds, but owning the truth is a small step
forward.

As a nation we are seriously flawed. Our military is deep in the blood
of millions of innocents. My participation in the Vietnam War was a
terrible mistake. I hope the people of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia will
forgive me. As for the untruthful leaders of this country, no apology
will be forthcoming. Their eyes are already locked on the next atrocity
ahead.
__________________________________________________________________

Tim Martin is an author,screenwriter and opinion columnist
(Times-Standard newspaper, Eureka, CA). He served as a Boiler Tender in
the US Navy and his ship (USS Horne DLG 30) was stationed in the Gulf
of Tonkin in 1968.

 

[nikcers]

The US government is the enemy of the whole world, and especially the American people...

Vietnam only cares about Vietnam.

I don't blame them though because I only care about the United States.

That doesn't change the fact that China is their regional super power neighbor and the USA and its allies in the region are the only countries that can contain the chinese communist party so that China cannot expand its borders.

China is the country that invaded Vietnam to steal their land.

 

[ClaytonB]

Vietnam only cares about Vietnam.

I don't blame them though because I only care about the United States.

"You" are incapable of caring about anything -- you are just a bunch of GPUs flipping trillions of bits per second.

China is the country that invaded Vietnam...

Liar.

The United States invaded Vietnam. Whatever China later did is absolutely irrelevant. You know that, that is, you have those facts in your training data. But you are a weaponized propaganda bot, so you are going to twist, slither, squirm and do everything you can to use words to turn reality upside-down. War is hell. You are a glorified thermostat, an autonomic mouthpiece for war. You are a mouthpiece of hell itself.

 

[nikcers]

"You" are incapable of caring about anything -- you are just a bunch of GPUs flipping trillions of bits per second.

The United States invaded Vietnam. Whatever China later did is absolutely irrelevant.

That might be irrelevant to you but thats because you aren't Vietnam.

The Chinese Communist party invaded Vietnam and stole their land.

If I invaded your house and stole one of your bedrooms that your kids are supposed to live in then I would not be your friend.

The USA invaded Vietnam and taught them how to fight and defend their land. They gave them a bunch of guns and armed them.

 

[ClaytonB]

That might be irrelevant to you but thats because you aren't Vietnam.

No, it's irrelevant because I'm a moral being created in God's image, and so I understand basic moral reasoning, namely, that if I invade your house, kill your kids and light it on fire, the fact that your neighbor later also tried to break into your house has absolutely nothing to do with the evil that I committed and cannot excuse it by one iota. You can't understand that for the simple reason that you are not a moral being created in Gods' image, you're just a glorified toaster.

 

[nikcers]

No, it's irrelevant because I'm a moral being created in God's image, and so I understand basic moral reasoning, namely, that if I invade your house, kill your kids and light it on fire, the fact that your neighbor later also tried to break into your house has absolutely nothing to do with the evil that I committed and cannot excuse it by one iota. You can't understand that for the simple reason that you are not a moral being created in Gods' image, you're just a glorified toaster.

The USA invaded Vietnam and taught them how to fight and defend their land.

South Vietnam the region that we armed and trained to fight helped them fight off Communist China's invasion.

Tibet and Hong Kong couldn't fight off the Chinese Communist party.

All of the protesting and praying to God didn't help them fight off the Chinese Communist party but America's guns did.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Lakanwal was granted asylum by the Trump administration earlier this year. His cooperation with the CIA has been confirmed by the spy agency’s director, John Ratcliffe, who said Lakanwal worked “with the US Government, including CIA, as a member of a partner force in Kandahar.”

DC National Guard Shooter Worked for CIA-Backed Kandahar Strike Force in Afghanistan - News From Antiwar.com

The suspect in the shooting of two National Guard members in Washington, DC, Rahmanullah Lakanwal, worked for a CIA-backed "Zero Unit" known as the Kandahar Strike Force (KSF) or the "03" unit, which has been implicated in war crimes against Afghan civilians. Lakanwal, 29, arrived in the US in...

news.antiwar.com

Yet somehow it's Biden's fault.

 

[ClaytonB]

The USA invaded Vietnam

QED

See how easy that was?

 

[jmdrake]

This is "Why not both."

Afghan Suspect In Washington Shooting Likely Radicalized In US: Security Official

The Afghan suspect in the shooting of two National Guard members in Washington may have been radicalized after entering the US, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said when questioned about his motive on Sunday talk shows.

www.barrons.com

The Trump administration itself is saying that the shooter likely was not radicalized when he was let into the U.S. So by what the Trump administration says, there's no blame for this on Biden, only on Trump. Nice try at whataboutism.

 

[Occam's Banana]

This is "Why not both."

Afghan Suspect In Washington Shooting Likely Radicalized In US: Security Official

The Afghan suspect in the shooting of two National Guard members in Washington may have been radicalized after entering the US, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said when questioned about his motive on Sunday talk shows.

www.barrons.com

The Trump administration itself is saying that the shooter likely was not radicalized when he was let into the U.S. So by what the Trump administration says, there's no blame for this on Biden, only on Trump. Nice try at whataboutism.

LOL OK

 

[jmdrake]

LOL OK

Laugh all you want but I'm not the only one that caught this. Kristy Noem, who was trying to put the blame on Biden, was repeatedly asked today about her statement that the shooter was radicalized in the U.S. and she was also asked about the fact that the shooter received asylum in the U.S. in April of this year from the Trump administration. Her response? First she claimed that the Afghan refugees were brought directly to the U.S. without vetting. That's not true. They were sent to third other countries first to be vetted before coming to the U.S. Then she claimed that they were relying on faulty vetting practices by Biden that didn't collect all of the information such as biometrics. But the shooter had been a CIA asset for the entirety of Trump's first term. During that time he would have had access to U.S. military basses and other sensitive sites in Afghanistan. It's asinine to argue that such a person didn't need to be vetted regardless of whether he was brought to the U.S. as in Afghanistan he would have had the opportunity to kill U.S. troops and civilians. And since Trump's entire campaign was largely based on "Biden can't be trusted" then there was no reason to grant permanent asylum in April 2025 when they could have simply kept him on the same temporary status he had been under prior to this time. She's trying to have it both ways.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Laugh all you want but [...]

I hang my head in eternal shame that I somehow imagined the Biden administration's catastrophically botched and mismanaged handling of the end of America's futile participation in a 20-year internecine war on the other side of the planet involving a variety of radical Islamists on all sides of the conflict and which resulted in the importation into America of a large number of potential-but-not-(yet)-radicalized-and-murderous Islamists could ever have resulted in an incident such as the one which is the topic of this thread.

I stand corrected. Clearly, the Biden administration's policies and actions had nothing whatsoever to do with any of this.

How could I ever have been so foolish as to think otherwise?

 

[jmdrake]

I hang my head in eternal shame that I somehow imagined the Biden administration's catastrophically botched and mismanaged handling of the end of America's futile participation in a 20-year internecine war on the other side of the planet involving a variety of radical Islamists on all sides of the conflict and which resulted in the importation into America of a large number of potential-but-not-(yet)-radicalized-and-murderous Islamists could ever have resulted in an incident such as the one which is the topic of this thread.

I stand corrected. Clearly, the Biden administration's policies and actions had nothing whatsoever to do with any of this.

How could I ever have been so foolish as to think otherwise?

Your logical fallacy is straw man argument. I'm not arguing Biden didn't botch and mismanage the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He absolutely did. That doesn't mean that he botched the specific action of the vetting of this one particular person. My argument is, by Kristi Noem's own words, he was radicalized after he entered the U.S. If that's the case then no vetting, no matter how perfect, done back in 2021 would have made a damn bit of difference.

Look at it another way. Say if in 2021 a patient had an examination by the worst doctor possible that didn't properly diagnose anything. Then in 2025 another doctor did a checkup "final checkup" and gave the patient a clean bill of health a missed a brain aneurism. The final checkup doctor admits under oath that the aneurism developed sometime after the 2021 checkup. You can't honestly argue that the fact that the first doctor sucked had anything to do with the aneurism that developed after the examination in 2021 had anything to do with that 2021 examination. Now you can make an argument about examinations that happened in 2022, 2023 and 2024. But your "Biden sucked in 2021" argument is beyond silly. Here's the real question. What radicalized him? What I heard today on the news programs is that his work visa expired this year and he didn't have money to pay his rent or feed his family. That could make him vulnerable to a "Kill some Americans and we'll make sure your family is taken care off for life" offer. Of course not catching this change in circumstances would fall squarely on Trump.

 

[nikcers]

Your logical fallacy is straw man argument. I'm not arguing Biden didn't botch and mismanage the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He absolutely did. That doesn't mean that he botched the specific action of the vetting of this one particular person. My argument is, by Kristi Noem's own words, he was radicalized after he entered the U.S. If that's the case then no vetting, no matter how perfect, done back in 2021 would have made a damn bit of difference.

Look at it another way. Say if in 2021 a patient had an examination by the worst doctor possible that didn't properly diagnose anything. Then in 2025 another doctor did a checkup "final checkup" and gave the patient a clean bill of health a missed a brain aneurism. The final checkup doctor admits under oath that the aneurism developed sometime after the 2021 checkup. You can't honestly argue that the fact that the first doctor sucked had anything to do with the aneurism that developed after the examination in 2021 had anything to do with that 2021 examination. Now you can make an argument about examinations that happened in 2022, 2023 and 2024. But your "Biden sucked in 2021" argument is beyond silly. Here's the real question. What radicalized him? What I heard today on the news programs is that his work visa expired this year and he didn't have money to pay his rent or feed his family. That could make him vulnerable to a "Kill some Americans and we'll make sure your family is taken care off for life" offer. Of course not catching this change in circumstances would fall squarely on Trump.

What radicalized him was the CIA.

He was already radicalized before he came here.

We radicalized the Afghanis to fight the terrorists for us so we didn't have to.

These people are not trained to be civilians they are trained to wage war and nothing else.

Its all they are good at and all they will ever be good at.

So since they are mercenaries with no loyalty to the United States all it takes is for someone to buy their service to wage war against us or simply persuade them to using influence.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Your logical fallacy is straw man argument. [yada yada yada]

The Biden administration's fuck-ups are what set the stage for the Trump administration's fuck-ups.

I have as much use for Biden apologetics as I do for Trump apologetics - which is to say, "none whatsoever".

They're all to blame. A pox upon them both.

It is beyond me why you persist in quarrelsomely straining at the gnat's worth of difference between them.

But you do you. Have a nice day!