Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline

[Dibmatic]

I seriously doubt whites are anymore racist than blacks are.

Exactly, people just take the most extremely racist of whites and try to portray them as race spokespeople.

What if everyone thought black people were like Jeremiah Wright?

How many black people spoke out against his racism?

 

[legion]

Are you ininiuating that TGGRV would commit rape or are you asking if TGGRV would commit rape?

If the answer to either question is yes why would you insinuate or ask that question?

he seems to think that rape doesn't happen. its an odd opinion to have.

like la costra nostra at the senate hearings: organized crime doesn't exist!

 

[Nate]

Wow. Talk about taking an existing problem and making it worse.

Amen to that.

 

[Nate]

I seriously doubt whites are anymore racist than blacks are.

I've lived in both communities and from my experiences neither are as racist as the other "side" thinks they are. There are idiots in both communities that are so loud and ignorant that they make the problem seem larger than it is. Unfortunately most of those people are in the government or the MSM.

 

[BlackTerrel]

BlackTerrel, 5 black people raped, mutilated and lynched a white couple. No hate crime.

Well was it a hate crime? What were they charged with? I imagine these black people will now either spend a long time in jail or put to death. How is that getting away with it?

Minorities constantly get away with both hate speech

Hate speech? White people can do hate speech too... no laws against that.

and their crimes aren't subjected to the hate crime philosophy. You also have affirmative action and get away with racism.

A lot of issues obviously on your plate...something on your mind?

 

[Lisle16]

I've lived in both communities and from my experiences neither are as racist as the other "side" thinks they are. There are idiots in both communities that are so loud and ignorant that they make the problem seem larger than it is. Unfortunately most of those people are in the government or the MSM.

I agree with this. Most whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. get along just fine. A few bad apples spoil it for everyone.

 

[Bruno]

I think most of would agree that all hate crimes should be abolished. You should only be charged for the crime committed, not the feelings you had while committing it - it is absurd.

And it degrades the process for a wife, for example, who was beaten to a pulp by her husband her hated her, while a random stranger perpetrating a 'hate crime' gets a tougher sentence than the a$$hole husband does.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I think most of would agree that all hate crimes should be abolished. You should only be charged for the crime committed, not the feelings you had while committing it - it is absurd.

Maybe. But I don't think it's that important but I can see the logic in it.

We had different degrees of crimes even before "hate crime legislation".

Let's talk about murder....each case is "more evil" and deserves a harsher punishment.

1. I am driving my car and accidentally run someone over and kill them

2. I am at a bar, someone hits on my wife and grabs her ass, I grab a beer bottle and hit him over the head and kill him

3. Someone is promoted over me at work... I plot and plot for a month and set up a plan to kill him, and finally do.

4. I hate white people, and kill a random white person just because of the color of his skin

Certainly 4 is worse than 3 is worse than 2 is worse than 1 isn't it? 4 is also more likely to kill again than 1 is... etc...

 

[YumYum]

1. I am driving my car and accidentally run someone over and kill them

2. I am at a bar, someone hits on my wife and grabs her ass, I grab a beer bottle and hit him over the head and kill him

3. Someone is promoted over me at work... I plot and plot for a month and set up a plan to kill him, and finally do.

4. I hate white people, and kill a random white person just because of the color of his skin

Certainly 4 is worse than 3 is worse than 2 is worse than 1 isn't it? 4 is also more likely to kill again than 1 is... etc...

You forgot number 5: "I hate people, and kill a random person just because."

 

[Danke]

Let's talk about murder....each case is "more evil" and deserves a harsher punishment.

1. I am driving my car and accidentally run someone over and kill them

2. I am at a bar, someone hits on my wife and grabs her ass, I grab a beer bottle and hit him over the head and kill him

3. Someone is promoted over me at work... I plot and plot for a month and set up a plan to kill him, and finally do.

4. I hate white people, and kill a random white person just because of the color of his skin

Certainly 4 is worse than 3 is worse than 2 is worse than 1 isn't it? 4 is also more likely to kill again than 1 is... etc...

1 & 2 were accidental deaths with degrees of negligence.

3 is premeditated, harshest punishment.

4 is murder, doesn't matter what is on your mind.

 

[BlackTerrel]

1 & 2 were accidental deaths with degrees of negligence.

3 is premeditated, harshest punishment.

4 is murder, doesn't matter what is on your mind.

3 and 4 are both murder but isn't 4 more evil/more likely to do it again?

I do think that committing a crime just because you hate someone for racial reasons is worse than committing the crime for another reason. For instance, if someone graffitied sponge bob square pants on my door I would be pissed... but I would be far more pissed if the y graffitied KKK on my door. Big difference in malice and intent.

 

[AutoDas]

4. I hate white people, and kill a random white person just because of the color of his skin

what if you kill someone out of love? is that a love crime and is less "evil"?

 

[TGGRV]

3 and 4 are both murder but isn't 4 more evil/more likely to do it again?

I do think that committing a crime just because you hate someone for racial reasons is worse than committing the crime for another reason. For instance, if someone graffitied sponge bob square pants on my door I would be pissed... but I would be far more pissed if the y graffitied KKK on my door. Big difference in malice and intent.

It is the same thing. I never heard someone murdered someone else out of love. All crimes are crimes of hate. And racism, sexism and so on are just that. How pissed off someone is is irrelevant.

So if I get my wallet stolen by a Black person, he should get a harsher sentence because it pissed me off more than if it would have been done by a Mexican? If you want to do things like this, racism is irrelevant. You can do hate crime laws based on the last years high interracial crime rates and make harsher sentences based on that, but it's still stupid.

I also appreciate the ad-hominem, but any person who supports affirmative action is both sexist and racist. By the way, there are plenty of hate speech laws around the world against criticism against protected groups. Just look at the UN and Islam or the EU and whatever groups(there are too many for me to enumerate).

And hey, let's play your logic. How do you know the KKK graffitied your door out of hate? Or what makes you think slaves and blacks were lynched out of racism? lol

 

[BlackTerrel]

It is the same thing. I never heard someone murdered someone else out of love. All crimes are crimes of hate. And racism, sexism and so on are just that. How pissed off someone is is irrelevant.

We already seperate murder by premeditated and on the spot.

I also appreciate the ad-hominem, but any person who supports affirmative action is both sexist and racist. By the way, there are plenty of hate speech laws around the world against criticism against protected groups. Just look at the UN and Islam or the EU and whatever groups(there are too many for me to enumerate).

There are a lot of stupid laws in Europe about hate speech. But that's not what we're discussing.

 

[Dibmatic]

he seems to think that rape doesn't happen. its an odd opinion to have.

like la costra nostra at the senate hearings: organized crime doesn't exist!

That's not what I've concluded from those statements. Where is it said that rape doesn't happen?

"Half the victims don't report" tells you that they know rape happens... idealogies...

Originally Posted by TGGRV
Well, about half of the victims don't report, but half of the allegations are false. Hence the number is pretty accurate.

I don't get why they don't enforce perjury laws in the case of rapes and treat this felony differently. But this is another example of a protected class - women. It disgusts me that some moronic women think that patriarchy keeps me down and I need privileges to make it.


Originally Posted by TGGRV
Plus, there are lots of financial reasons for a woman to press charges for rape - falsely. Supposing I'd have the abysmal morality to do that, I'd rather do it against a white man since the gain would be bigger.