IL: Chicago suburban schools to introduce race based grading. No more "F"s for blacks

[jmdrake]

Yes, bigotry, discrimination and prejudice are part of the human condition. If you want to call efforts to codify these prejudices as “systematic”, fine, but the term has many more implications among the woke Marxists. And codifying those collectivist human tendencies is wrong. Liberty is about individuals being judged and treated as individuals, dare I say judged by the content of their character.

But once again, we are talking past each other. You want to have a discussion about education, and my point is that the woke Marxists behind this don't care about education. That does not mean that there can be not be a “conversation amongst honest, intelligent and serious people” about education. But the average woke Marxists are working on other agendas, with completely different premises and pre-conceptions.

An analogous situation is school shootings. The establishment and most of the woke left claim they want gun bans because of school shootings. Sorry, that is BS. They want gun bans. Full stop. School shootings are a convenient excuse. The establishment wants a monopoly on power and violence, and many of your average woke Democrats just want to stick it to the people they believe represent “gun people”. They have a stereotype in mind, and I will often use the term “Trump supporters”, because that is a term used by leftists with much disdain.

Piss poor analogy. The harm in banning guns is palpable. The harm ONE school banning F's is....what exactly? Seriously. What? I'm interested in what you or [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] or anyone else on the other side of this thread has to say about exactly who is harmed by the banning of Fs. The white kids that aren't getting F's? The white kids that are getting Fs? The black kids that aren't getting Fs? The black kids that are getting Fs? Who do you think is being harmed and why? If AR15s are banned and the we run into a total tyranny SHTF scenario then people are going to wish there were still AR15s. If Fs are banned....?

I can give a personal example of why I believe Fs are bvllshyt. In fact a teacher giving out Fs might in some cases be a sign of a failed teacher. Back to my own kids. Both my kids hated high school geometry because the curriculum was common core (even at a private Christian conservative school) and was just plain awful. When I took geometry it was an easy class between algebra 1 and algebra 2. We learned about theorems and proofs and congruence etc. They still learn all that. Only the basic geometry that should have learned in elementary school but didn't (area, perimeter etc.) got thrown in along with algebraic geometry. (You have to first find which angles are congruent to then find the value of x). So a single problem took a whole page. One of my son's made it through okay (he got a 30 ACT score ultimately). The other failed and had to do summer school. Only the principal was like "Don't worry. Half the class fails every year. We just let them make up the credit during the summer." Seriously? Half the freaking class is EXPECTED to fail? Oh yeah, and this was an overwhelmingly white school so I'm not claiming racism. I'm claiming teacher and curriculum incompetence! Now, what did my child learn from that? In the "automatic make up" during the summer did he become some geometry guru? Nope. It was a fvcking waste of his time. Oh...but they can say the hand out Fs! Big whoopty do! I don't give a rats ass about your concerns about "wokeness." I'm more concerned about kids than your conspiracy theories.

 

[Ender]

Piss poor analogy. The harm in banning guns is palpable. The harm ONE school banning F's is....what exactly? Seriously. What? I'm interested in what you or [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] or anyone else on the other side of this thread has to say about exactly who is harmed by the banning of Fs. The white kids that aren't getting F's? The white kids that are getting Fs? The black kids that aren't getting Fs? The black kids that are getting Fs? Who do you think is being harmed and why? If AR15s are banned and the we run into a total tyranny SHTF scenario then people are going to wish there were still AR15s. If Fs are banned....?

I can give a personal example of why I believe Fs are bvllshyt. In fact a teacher giving out Fs might in some cases be a sign of a failed teacher. Back to my own kids. Both my kids hated high school geometry because the curriculum was common core (even at a private Christian conservative school) and was just plain awful. When I took geometry it was an easy class between algebra 1 and algebra 2. We learned about theorems and proofs and congruence etc. They still learn all that. Only the basic geometry that should have learned in elementary school but didn't (area, perimeter etc.) got thrown in along with algebraic geometry. (You have to first find which angles are congruent to then find the value of x). So a single problem took a whole page. One of my son's made it through okay (he got a 30 ACT score ultimately). The other failed and had to do summer school. Only the principal was like "Don't worry. Half the class fails every year. We just let them make up the credit during the summer." Seriously? Half the freaking class is EXPECTED to fail? Oh yeah, and this was an overwhelmingly white school so I'm not claiming racism. I'm claiming teacher and curriculum incompetence! Now, what did my child learn from that? In the "automatic make up" during the summer did he become some geometry guru? Nope. It was a fvcking waste of his time. Oh...but they can say the hand out Fs! Big whoopty do! I don't give a rats ass about your concerns about "wokeness." I'm more concerned about kids than your conspiracy theories.

Yep- grades are complete BS.

The actual "diploma" was invented by people who couldn't do anything, so they came up with a piece of paper that said they could.

Now that piece of paper says this person is an expert & the person without it (whether it's the next Tesla, Einstein or whoever) is a failure.

 

[DamianTV]

On second thought, we are all putting far too much thought into this. The people who are doing this don't care about teaching kids or having them learn skills to make them successful in life. They don't even like the idea of "success".

Think of this from the perspective of the woke left and their dogma:

Premise: All white people are racist, including teachers. Teachers use things like attendance, homework, discipline, etc, to fail black students, because they are racists.

Solution: Take away all of those factors from grading, so that the evil white supremacist teachers can not use them against black kids.

No need to dig any deeper or consider long terms effects on those kids, or anything like that.

Abolish the Dept of Education? or just Public Education in general, where mom and dad are home and ARMED? Yeah, cant have school shootings without schools!