Tucker Carlson & Truthers

Exactly. So what is the problem? We've got truthers, and we've got truther-skeptics. Now what?

So stop being fucking fascists. I'm not telling you what to do.

Ron Paul doesn't want to tell me what to do, and it's his movement so :p

He invited people with my beliefs to speak at HIS rally and they spoke about said beliefs.

I think you should be going out telling people about 9/11 truth, but us truthers don't make 50 threads about the non-truthers not doing their duty every day, though we may make 50 threads containing evidence that will show you that you should.
 
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None of us can force others to do or not do something.

All I can say is that they're trying to tie the Truthers to the Ron Paul movement here in Minnesota following the convention, and we're taking some big hits in the Republican Party for it.

All I can ask is that you not hold a Ron Paul sign with your Truth signs. Please.

Of course Ventura didn't help us with that either.

Hey, at least y'all aren't out there damaging property.
 
I'm not telling you what to do.

Really? Then why do you say the following in the very same post?

I think you should be going out telling people about 9/11 truth, but us truthers don't make 50 threads about the non-truthers not doing their duty every day, though we may make 50 threads containing evidence that will show you that you should.

All your posts have been about getting truther-skeptics to stop bitching, and you don't seem to recognize the irony that their freedom to bitch is exactly the same as your freedom to push a 9/11 agenda.

Pot meet kettle for a fucktard orgy. :rolleyes:
 
Really? Then why do you say the following in the very same post?

Sean, read the post again, I was making a point. That was completely 100% on purpose. I'm NOT making several threads a day telling you what to do, whereas truthers get a bunch of threads popping up saying that they are stupid and need to stop promoting 9/11 truth. Who are you to tell me to stop promoting 9/11 truth?

I made it clear what I'd like you to do, but then stated that I am not whining all day that you aren't doing it, whereas the anti-truthers have whined about us for months day in and day out, saying they are doing it in the name of Ron Paul. Clearly, Ron Paul has no problem with truthers in his movement and encourages all to join up. Truthers are not going to keep quiet about 9/11 truth, that is a ridiculous notion. There have not been enough instances of people proclaiming 9/11 truth using Ron Paul's NAME, although they may do it at a Ron Paul/liberty related EVENT there are many instances when this is perfectly acceptable.

There are anti-truther threads all the time, aimed at telling truthers to stop telling the truth. Truthers create truther threads to present evidence and defend themselves from your tyrrany.

You can make all the posts you want, I'm just trying to get you to hear my side so maybe you will understand why we are doing what we are doing. Making a mountain out of a mole hill only divides the movement.
 
Edit: I don't agree with your point regarding the announcement on AJ though -- Paul has stated that 9/11 truth is not his message, and has stated clearly that 9/11 truthers should tone it down if they want to act in his best interests. We do not need to look for 'clues', like radio appearances to know whether 9/11 truth is a major plank of the CFL -- it isn't.

You obviously don't understand my point so I'll make it again. I didn't say that 9/11 was a "major plank on the CFL". I said that the appearance on the Alex Jones show for the purpose of unveiling the CFL rally had the obvious (and I believe desired effect) of encouraging truthers to come. (Note: It was Jesse Benton that used the AJ show to make the announcement. But you get the point.)

Again, liberty and the constitution are big enough pills for most to swallow, the ones with which we all agree, and the major planks of the CFL.

Again that's not the point. But if you want to talk about "Ron Paul planks" here's another one for you. On the AJ show Ron Paul recently said he "wasn't surprised" by the allegations that Dick Cheney was willing to kill Americans and blame it on Iran to start a war with Iran. Do you think that's "easy to swallow"?

Here's the deal. It may be tough to comprehend, but Ron Paul is no longer running for president. And frankly 2008 is pretty much a done deal. Whether or not Jesse Ventura mentioned 9/11 or some truthers said whatever has little to no bearing on 2008. It's now time to look to 2010 and 2012. There is a better than odd chance that Jesse Ventura will be a major player in 2012. Do you think he'll be able to "hide" his 9/11 connections? Of course not. The only shot is to move the consciousness of the American people so that it's more acceptable. At least 30% of the population already question 9/11 and the numbers are growing. Really, I haven't seen a list of "CFL planks" and it's not about "planks" anyway.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
Why don't we just hire Jason fucking Bermus and Alex Jones to run his campaign???

OO! I know, Art Bell can be his press secretary! George Noory for VP!

The majority of the truth movement is selfish, immature, and uneducated of the history of the US. Their power is a gang mentality, if one on one questioning doesn't work, they have 3 more people come over so they can start yelling questions at you, and when your mind can't process it, you are a 'tyrant' 'sheeple' or a 'fucking piece of shit'

This is not a group I want to be associated with, Ron Paul doesn't want to be, and America doesn't want to be. The movement is big enough to be self sufficent, and We are Change does not need Ron Paul's help to spread the 9/11 message.

The people that Ron Paul is trying to convert are average American conservatives who have a strong sense of Patriotism, and they believe that Osama needs to pay his dues.

If Ron Paul thought 9/11 was an inside job, why would he vote to send troops to Afghanistan? Why would he continue to state that the battle in Afghanistan is justified?

Where is the logic here?!?!?!??!

A) Ron Paul said he regretted voting to send troops to Afghanistan.
B) Thinking the government may have been involved in 9/11 and that AQ was involved aren't mutually exclusive ideas.

I'll expound on B a bit. 9/11 truth broadly splits into LIHOP and MIHOP. LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) means you think the government had enough intel to stop 9/11 but choose not to prevent it because it wanted to go to war with Iraq. Believing that someone in the government might have even "run interference" for Al Qaeda (like staging the war games conveniently on 9/11 that drew crucial air defenses away from the attack zone and confused pilots by inserting "ghost" images into their radar) also falls under LIHOP.

As far as your assertion that Ron Paul "doesn't want to be associated with 9/11 truth" then why the HELL did he invite Jesse Ventura to speak? I mean really. That would have to be the stupidest move possible for someone concerned about being associated with 9/11 truth. And I don't think Ron Paul is stupid. Maybe you do. Really, I finally watched the Ventura clip on youtube. YOU CAN BARELY HERE THE "9/11 was an inside job" CHANT! But there were MASSIVELY LOUD CHEERS when Ventura raised he questions about Bin Laden not being charged for 9/11 and 9/11 not being mentioned on his FBI wanted poster. Furthermore when CNN interviewed Dr. Paul the following day they never even mentioned 9/11 or Ventura's speech. The sky is NOT falling chicken little.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
Which, I am, but now I am silent about 9/11. In protest of the truthers.

I've never met a truther who would have a normal discussion with me.. or they gang up on you and have 4 of their friends screaming questions at you. Hell, they do it several times in 'Fabled Enemies' and they looks like morons.

This is what destroys the message of Ron Paul. A lot of people do not want to be associated to truthers.

Richardfortherepublic, the post I am responding to is but one of your many posts, flooding this thread. And they all say exactly the same thing, and in such consistent, repetitive language, that I am almost tempted to respond: "You are a government anti-Truth troll." And a rather aggressive one at that. Are you? If so, leave this board.

Ron Paul is about free exchange of ideas. I highly doubt, if you asked him, that he would agree with you that the "truthers" should be chased out of RonPaulForums.com. So drop all the "you're making the movement look bad" crap.
 
Richardfortherepublic, the post I am responding to is but one of your many posts, flooding this thread. And they all say exactly the same thing, and in such consistent, repetitive language,......
Good observation!

That was exactly what I told him in another thread.

Here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1652524&postcount=75

I still stand by my word though, repeat as much as you want, as long as you do not trash people just because they disagree with you.
 
Just my opinion, and everyone has one.

I agree with Dr. Paul and the assertions of Jesse Ventura. There are way too many unanswered questions concerning the events of 9/11. A further investigation into the matter is warranted. America spent over $40M to investigate Clinton lying about a BJ. Only $15M was spent investigating the most disastrous attack on America in the modern era. Multiple crimes scenes were compromised in connection with these events. Clinton was stupid enough to testify under oath, the Bushies didn't make the same mistake.

Just finished listening to the audiobook "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". I knew it was bad, just never imagined it could be that bad.

They use the terms "Truther", and "Islamofascist", to scare the lemmings, sheep, whatever.

We must look to the Founders for guidance, or suffer the consequences.
 
If it's difficult for any 9/11 conspiracy believer to see how conflating Ron Paul and anyone's particular ideas about 9/11 (the government used beam weapons, the planes were remotely controlled, the planes didn't exist and were coverups for a controlled demolition, etc, etc) then you're very disconnected from reality.
 
You obviously don't understand my point so I'll make it again. I didn't say that 9/11 was a "major plank on the CFL". I said that the appearance on the Alex Jones show for the purpose of unveiling the CFL rally had the obvious (and I believe desired effect) of encouraging truthers to come. (Note: It was Jesse Benton that used the AJ show to make the announcement. But you get the point.)

I agree that truthers are absolutely welcome, as is anyone who will stand up in support of liberty! But they should not use CFL events or their association with Ron Paul to promote 9/11 truth. They should promote the purposes of the CFL at CFL events, and 9/11 truth personally, or at 9/11 events. It's not rocket science, as I pointed out, I don't try to use CFL events to promote each of my various beliefs, because it would serve as a distraction.


Again that's not the point. But if you want to talk about "Ron Paul planks" here's another one for you. On the AJ show Ron Paul recently said he "wasn't surprised" by the allegations that Dick Cheney was willing to kill Americans and blame it on Iran to start a war with Iran. Do you think that's "easy to swallow"?

Firstly, "wasn't suprised" is a pretty weak statement. More importantly, even say he believed it was true, does Paul, when holding rallies and trying to appeal to the masses, shout from the podium, "Cheney may be willing to kill Americans!!". Of course not, because that would strongly detract from the message, and is irrelevant to restoring liberty. I bet even Paul may have beliefs that he chooses not to make the main focus, because they would serve as a distraction and serve to divide people or drive them away. Use your brain. Even if 9/11 truth is the most important thing in the whole universe, shouting it at rallies hurts your cause as much as the CFL. A free government will be willing to conduct a real investigation!!! So your best course of action even for the purposes of 9/11 truth is to restore our liberties and give CFL the best possible chance to succeed. And if you don't think the news outlets and the republican party use every chance they get to try to push the CFL to the fringe by associating it with "truthers", you've got your head in the sand. Forget whether it's true or not, we can have that discussion some other time -- most people are turned off by it.

Here's the deal. It may be tough to comprehend, but Ron Paul is no longer running for president. And frankly 2008 is pretty much a done deal. Whether or not Jesse Ventura mentioned 9/11 or some truthers said whatever has little to no bearing on 2008. It's now time to look to 2010 and 2012. There is a better than odd chance that Jesse Ventura will be a major player in 2012. Do you think he'll be able to "hide" his 9/11 connections? Of course not. The only shot is to move the consciousness of the American people so that it's more acceptable. At least 30% of the population already question 9/11 and the numbers are growing. Really, I haven't seen a list of "CFL planks" and it's not about "planks" anyway.

Regards,

John M. Drake

I refer you again to http://www.campaignforliberty.com/mission/
Nowhere does it mention 9/11 truth. Ergo, this is not the mission of the CFL.

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Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.
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Asked about whether the Troofers should abandon the "9-11 was an inside job" rhetoric, Paul replies:

"Well, it doesn't do me any good, so if they care about me they should."

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THIS MOVEMENT IS NOT ABOUT 9/11 TRUTH!!! Can't you get it? I support your promotion of ideas you believe to be true, but you have no right to try to co-opt the CFL and make it about your personal beliefs. If the ideas of 9/11 truth are so popular, they will succeed on their own!! Start 9/11 truth rallies -- hold events!! If 30% of the country agrees with you it will take off like wildfire.

If, however, these ideas are not so popular as you imagine, at least they will fail on their own, instead of bringing down the last best chance for liberty for all of us! Are you really willing to risk our own liberty and consitutional government (and your chance at a real investigation) in order to have one more platform from which to shout rhetoric?

I am proud to stand alongside truthers and promote freedom and the constitution. It is vital, however, that they realize that the CFL is a tool for freedom and the constitution, not a tool for 9/11 truth promotion. These efforts should be made independently, otherwise we risk the success of both efforts -- if 9/11 truth is successfully associated with the CFL, those who do not believe in 9/11 truth will not feel comfortable joining -- and we cannot succeed without them. We must all put aside our differences, and focus on the fight for liberty and the constitution when fighting in the CFL, as that is its purpose.
 
I have the same reaction. If I was a "true-believer" in the Alex Jones version of reality, I think I'd feel obligated to take up arms against the government, not simply shout slogans in a free-speech zone.

I...

Well...

No, I'm going to keep my mouth shut...
 
I agree that truthers are absolutely welcome, as is anyone who will stand up in support of liberty! But they should not use CFL events or their association with Ron Paul to promote 9/11 truth.
If you want 9/11 truth silenced within the CFL you're time would be infinitely better spent corresponding with Dr. Paul for the purpose of encouraging him to cease any further radio appearances on shows like Alex Jones, etc., as well as disassociating himself with people like Jesse Ventura.
Because as it stands now, Ron Paul is using "thruthers" to promote the CFL.

THIS MOVEMENT IS NOT ABOUT 9/11 TRUTH!!! Can't you get it?
NOBODY said it was....Well.... except you.

Asked about whether the Troofers should abandon the "9-11 was an inside job" rhetoric
A little maturity wouldn't hurt, either.
 
I will say this once again and for the very last time. (In my opinion..)

"Truthers" have got to be the biggest cowards on the face of this earth.

You people really believe that our own government intentionally killed thousands of its own innocent citizens and all you cowards can do is stand around and yell about it?

Ron Paul does not believe that our government perpetrated 9/11! He has said this time and time again!!

Not only are you people insane cowards but you are driving sane people away from this movement!

I did not go to the rally specifically because I do not want to be associated with you.

I can handle those who just want to make pot leagle so they can get stoned, even Dr. Paul thinks pot should be leagle but you people take the cake.....:rolleyes:

Well, good thing you provided contructive points and were'nt just randomly throwing insults at truthers :rolleyes:

I bet you think Venturas questions were way out of line and absurd?

it makes perfect sense how obl has not been charged with the crime of 911, right? /sarcasm

Post = Epic Fail

p.s. How come not 1 single "debunker" or "anti-truther" has answered jesse's questions? I've heard alot about how stupid and ridiculous he is, but i have yet to hear an answer.

Why has osama bin laden not been charged with the crime of 911?

"there is not enough evidence" - FBI...

oh and by the way, your post makes you look like a total ignorant jackass, but i still welcome you in this movement... Your "cowards" argument has no basis though. It takes balls to challenge NWO candidates on the events of 911 face to face like many Truthers have done.

The senator Joe Biden Video from "Fabled Enemies" in my signature below is a great example of how it takes some balls to be a real truther.

More balls than you got, im sure.

Oh and lastly... **********Legal*********** not Leagle...
 
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If you want 9/11 truth silenced within the CFL you're time would be infinitely better spent corresponding with Dr. Paul for the purpose of encouraging him to cease any further radio appearances on shows like Alex Jones, etc., as well as disassociating himself with people like Jesse Ventura.
Because as it stands now, Ron Paul is using "thruthers" to promote the CFL.

Truthers are people with a particular belief -- you seem to refer to them as if their sole function was promoting 9/11 truth. Can't he work with liberty minded freedom loving americans like AJ and JV without asking that they incorporate ALL of their beliefs into the movement? As I say, I work for liberty within the CFL, and work for my other beliefs elsewhere. This is because liberty is very important to me, and I would hate to hinder the effort by hanging people up on my other ideas.

NOBODY said it was....Well.... except you.

Here's a few:

h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k
h ttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/04/1349480.aspx
h ttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/377594_gurwitzonline04.html
h ttp://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/07/13/ron-paul-conspiracy-theorist/
h ttp://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/
h ttp://www.lorien1973.com/ron-paul-911-truther-supporters/

I routinely run into people that think Paul is associated with 9/11 truth, and dislike him for that reason.

A little maturity wouldn't hurt, either.
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Sorry about that, I was quoting from a transcript, should have changed it to the correct spelling -- I really wasn't trying to be disrespectful.
 
We don't win votes by being truthers. We only loose (sp) them.

My friend, we don't win votes by being libertarian conservatives either. :)
I'm not a truther myself, but I welcome anybody to our movement who embraces the cause of Constitutional law and freedom, even if we disagree on everything else.
 
My friend, we don't win votes by being libertarian conservatives either. :)
I'm not a truther myself, but I welcome anybody to our movement who embraces the cause of Constitutional law and freedom, even if we disagree on everything else.

Agreed and last I checked our message is growing not shrinking we just sold out target center. That is pretty big news if you ask me.

The idiots in our movment are the ones who divide us and care so much what other people think. Ron Paul is for freedom of speech the question you should ask your self is why aren't you?
 
Agreed and last I checked our message is growing not shrinking we just sold out target center. That is pretty big news if you ask me.

The idiots in our movment are the ones who divide us and care so much what other people think. Ron Paul is for freedom of speech the question you should ask your self is why aren't you?

Of course I believe in free speech. I also believe in exercising my rights responsibly. Given that you believe in liberty and the constitution as well, and want the CFL to succeed, I would think that you would be interested in acting in such a manner as to give it the greatest chance for success. This would mean not bringing all of our own personal beliefs in and attempting to brand the movement with them.

Would I hold a sign up in one hand that says, "macro evolution is a lie, study the facts", and in the other one that says, "support the CFL"? No, because I want the CFL to succeed, and I realize that many who believe in maco-evolution will be turned off to the CFL because of me, were I to behave in such a manner. Behaving in such a manner would be an irresponsible and counterproductive use of my freedom of speech.

Similarly, promoting 9/11 truth alongside the CFL or at CFL events drives away millions of Americans who are not willing to accept the ideas of 9/11 truth at this time. It is a foolish and counterproductive use of freedom of speech (unless you are a neocon, in which case it would be very productive).
 
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Similarly, promoting 9/11 truth alongside the CFL or at CFL events drives away millions of Americans who are not willing to accept the ideas of 9/11 truth at this time.
I would counsel you to review what Goldwater had to say about this. It's not enough to merely get yourself elected if you're not going to stand up for your own values.

As Ron Paul Republicans, we're very vocal but arguably lonely as well. I accept that, as I will not compromise my principles just to gain a wider stage. I think it's foolish and wrong-headed to demand that of the truthers.
I submit that your attitude of "water down the message in order to get power from the bad guys" is exactly what led the Republican party to where it is today.
Do we want a "popular, electable" movement or do we want to stand up for what America's supposed to be? Look around you and do the math; we're right but the electorate doesn't see it that way.
Our course of action is education and welcoming everybody to our cause we can get on board, even if they disagree on minor points. I welcome all compatriots with open arms.

/just sayin'.
 
Why wont the truthers just go away or shut the hell up?

Hey! Stop trying to divide the movement. This movement is about liberty and limited government and our personal beliefs are irrelevant!

I believe 911 was an inside job, but I spend more time spreading our message of liberty and limited gov't rather than "911 was an inside job".
 
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