Tucker Carlson & Truthers

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

Wow.

If anybody still has a problem with 'truthers' in this movement, then please re-read JM Drake's posts on this page. He just pwned a bunch of people.

Not at all. It is amusing no one addresses the *real* issue.

1.) Ron Paul's pro-Constitution and pro-American message creates tons of instant converts. I can easily show many examples of this.

2.) Chanting '9/11 was an inside job' disturbs people, creates unnecessary negative media, drives people away, has little to do with solving anything, and etc.

What is the logical reason for choosing method #2 which is questionable at best, and not method #1 which has been shown time and time again to work far better? Why use the INFERIOR presentation?

Answer: There is no logical reason. That's the issue. How about using what WORKS?

 

[maqsur]

I think in some ways it's good Ventura brought up 9-11 (albeit not as in depth as he does on tv interviews).

I say this because 9-11 is a symbol of government f*cking things up (regardless of whether you believe they were actively involved in the attack). The Rally's purpose was to return to our roots as a country. If we can't discuss the 800 lb gorilla that symbolizes all the went wrong with this country, how can we get the country back on track.

Think about what 9-11 symbolizes: death, misery, torture, loss of haebeas corpus, secret prisons, destruction of two countries, genocide, inflation, spying, enemy combatant, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, hatred of the world, growth of Al Qaeda, growth of government, 9 trillion dollar debt, >100 dollars/barrel oil, about to bomb Iran and possible Russia, already bombing Pakistan. That's just the concise version.

And people say 9-11 should not be discussed, because "it hurts the movement." Give me a break, please! While this country goes down the tubes, and the Republic is lost, and people dying, let's just keep quiet and worry about "the movement."

 

[nobody's_hero]

So, to destroy any weeds on your lawn, do you trim their leaves off?

or do you kill them at their roots?

(HINT) 'Disregard for the US Constitution' is the root of the problem.

 

[Jeremy]

Let me get this straight: The truthers were protesting Ron Paul and his rally. The very rally they wanted to attend.

 

[Jamsie 567]

Let me get this straight: The truthers were protesting Ron Paul and his rally. The very rally they wanted to attend.

Let me set this straight for you since I was in attendance. There were a few people whereing 9/11 T-shirts at the rally. At know time were the truthers disrespetcful to our movment. NO ONE chanted 9/11 was an inside job when Jesse Ventura spoke.

People need to get over the 9/11 thing. Freedom brings us together we get all walks of life in our movement and this is just something you have to accept. If people don't accept it will just bring more lame posts like this one and draw negative attention.

 

[SeanEdwards]

People need to get over the 9/11 thing. Freedom brings us together we get all walks of life in our movement and this is just something you have to accept. If people don't accept it will just bring more lame posts like this one and draw negative attention.

If someone is free to express their support for divergent views of 9/11, then isn't another person equally free to express their disagreement with those views? It seems like you are saying that the people who disagree with truthers should just be quiet and let the truthers express themselves. But don't those truther skeptics have the exact same right to self-expression as the truthers? So, according to you, I should quietly accept the presence of truthers, but truthers don't have to accept the presence of truther skeptics? Is that fair?

 

[grizzums]

From my experience, I've seen truthers push several RP supporters to distance themselves from being active for this campaign and cause....they will still speak highly of RP's principles (anonymously) but mostly I have noticed a "going back into the closet" regarding their support for RP. I can separate myself from that whole nonsense so for me its not an issue but off the top of my head I can easily think of a dozen names locally here that are still supporters but you wouldn't now know it, nor would you hear it, from them. I have a feeling there are a few more like them out there and that's unfortunate.

I still believe a minority (not just the truthers) of RP supporters will continue to keep a glass ceiling (perhaps a steel one) above the head of this so-called "movement" with their conspiracy talk and quick judgments against anyone who appears to not be a "pure" libertarian.

Just being honest here....

 

[HaddEnuff]

I agree that 9/11 has led to a loss of liberties, but it is only necessary to believe that we must restore these liberties, not necessary to believe in a particular theory about 9/11.

The theory about 9/11 is that this is proof positive that our government is corrupt beyond repair and therefore THE NEED for someone like Ron Paul. That's why this movement has attracted "truthers" IMHO.

9/11 truth is a belief about a historic fact, it has nothing to do with the actions necessary to take this country back.

I disagree completely since for me it was the first step. Once I realized how corrupt our government was I became receptive to the ideals of someone like Ron Paul. Otherwise I would have simply followed the status quo and voted for the lesser of two evils....again.

These beliefs are not part of the core CFL message, and Paul has stated that he does not believe 9/11 was an inside job, and that it would help the campaign if truthers would tone it down.

Again, I have to disagree. "Truthers" are for truth as well as liberty, justice and the constiution. All these things are core CFL messages.
If Ron Paul wanted to "tone it down" he wouldn't keep appearing on shows like Alex Jones and he certainly wouldn't have invited Jesse Ventura to speak at his core rally.
Ron Paul is smart enough to know that "truthers" have the CFL core message at heart.

Just think: what beliefs are necessary for people to hold in order for them to be effective allies in the restoration of liberty and constitutional government?

Truth, justice, the Constitution, Liberty. These are all beliefs within the "truth movement." And I think Ron Paul is aware of that.

Any other added side concerns serve only to hinder the message and reduce its appeal. These ideas may be worthy, but they should be promoted outside the CFL.

In my opinion it is the dumbed-down (ironically there are many in the CFL) that will do far more harm than any "truther."
If you think that silencing the "truthers" is somehow going to endear the CFL even the slightest bit to the mainstream media, then you fall into that category.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Not at all. It is amusing no one addresses the *real* issue.

1.) Ron Paul's pro-Constitution and pro-American message creates tons of instant converts. I can easily show many examples of this.

2.) Chanting '9/11 was an inside job' disturbs people, creates unnecessary negative media, drives people away, has little to do with solving anything, and etc.

What is the logical reason for choosing method #2 which is questionable at best, and not method #1 which has been shown time and time again to work far better? Why use the INFERIOR presentation?

Answer: There is no logical reason. That's the issue. How about using what WORKS?

It is amusing you ignore the people (and voters) who have addressed your 'real' issue.

1.) Paul's pro-Constitution, Misean economic message has been going out for the 30 years he has been in Congress. It did NOT gain him many adherents beyond a remnant, including during his last Presidential run in '88. He did not become the national phenomenon he is now UNTIL he ran as a champion of both Libertarian AND Patriot movement issues (of which 9-11 truth is one) in this past year's Presidential run, and UNTIL he got his early donation money from truthers. He actually got into the most trouble NOT over 9-11, but over the past newsletters put out in his name by his Misean colleagues.

2.) Let's be emphatically clear. Paul distanced himself from 9-11 issues, following which he won ZERO primaries, and the media STILL blacked him out. WE TRIED IT YOUR WAY, AND IT DID NOT WORK. As we move forward as a movement, we will move forward with ALL the issues of major concern to it, period. The proven failure of the "no 9-11" approach DOES NOT give its adherents any authority to dictate it be excluded any longer.

 

[adara7537]

All I have to say is that perhaps you should be speaking to Mr. Ventura who brought up 9/11 in the first place.

You guys have seriously got to get over this.

People need to accept people and different views. You don't have to agree with them. People need to stop holding others up to their standards. And in this case, what's worse, is you are holding these people up to the standards of the sheeple. I mean seriously, we have to ostracize the truthers because they hurt the movement because the morons out there are scared of them? What the hell is wrong with someone questioning something until they get an answer that makes sense to them?

I think it would be a much better world if people questioned more often what's going on. If they did Paul would have won. As long as the truthers or any other fringe group isn't actually physically hurting anyone then who cares.

I am as yet unaware of anything to be "scared" of that they have done. To my knowledge they haven't engaged in any acts of violence-so what exactly would there be to be scared of?

It's ridiculous. Oh and by the way I am not a truther. Well that is to say, I don't march or wear shirts or chant or anything- but I think it would be stupid to say I think the gov. is telling us the truth about 9/11.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

It is amusing you ignore the people (and voters) who have addressed your 'real' issue.

1.) Paul's pro-Constitution, Misean economic message has been going out for the 30 years he has been in Congress. It did NOT gain him many adherents beyond a remnant, including during his last Presidential run in '88. He did not become the national phenomenon he is now UNTIL he ran as a champion of both Libertarian AND Patriot movement issues (of which 9-11 truth is one) in this past year's Presidential run, and UNTIL he got his early donation money from truthers. He actually got into the most trouble NOT over 9-11, but over the past newsletters put out in his name by his Misean colleagues.

2.) Let's be emphatically clear. Paul distanced himself from 9-11 issues, following which he won ZERO primaries, and the media STILL blacked him out. WE TRIED IT YOUR WAY, AND IT DID NOT WORK. As we move forward as a movement, we will move forward with ALL the issues of major concern to it, period. The proven failure of the "no 9-11" approach DOES NOT give its adherents any authority to dictate it be excluded any longer.

Why don't we just hire Jason fucking Bermus and Alex Jones to run his campaign???

OO! I know, Art Bell can be his press secretary! George Noory for VP!

The majority of the truth movement is selfish, immature, and uneducated of the history of the US. Their power is a gang mentality, if one on one questioning doesn't work, they have 3 more people come over so they can start yelling questions at you, and when your mind can't process it, you are a 'tyrant' 'sheeple' or a 'fucking piece of shit'

This is not a group I want to be associated with, Ron Paul doesn't want to be, and America doesn't want to be. The movement is big enough to be self sufficent, and We are Change does not need Ron Paul's help to spread the 9/11 message.

The people that Ron Paul is trying to convert are average American conservatives who have a strong sense of Patriotism, and they believe that Osama needs to pay his dues.

If Ron Paul thought 9/11 was an inside job, why would he vote to send troops to Afghanistan? Why would he continue to state that the battle in Afghanistan is justified?

Where is the logic here?!?!?!??!

 

[dannno]

Not at all. It is amusing no one addresses the *real* issue.

1.) Ron Paul's pro-Constitution and pro-American message creates tons of instant converts. I can easily show many examples of this.

2.) Chanting '9/11 was an inside job' disturbs people, creates unnecessary negative media, drives people away, has little to do with solving anything, and etc.

What is the logical reason for choosing method #2 which is questionable at best, and not method #1 which has been shown time and time again to work far better? Why use the INFERIOR presentation?

Answer: There is no logical reason. That's the issue. How about using what WORKS?

Because many people who have heard that argument have answered the call. On the other hand, most people don't give a rats ass about the constitution because they don't know WHY it is there. It is there to prevent things like the government gaining enough power to attack it's own people and control the media monopoly into making them believe it was somebody else in order to start perpetual war, which is being funded by an illegal banking institution. It's a great example of why Ron Paul is right.

When the masses begin to learn the truth, they will want an answer. Libertarianism and the constitution provide that answer.

 

[dannno]

Why don't we just hire Jason fucking Bermus and Alex Jones to run his campaign???

OO! I know, Art Bell can be his press secretary! George Noory for VP!

The majority of the truth movement is selfish, immature, and uneducated of the history of the US. Their power is a gang mentality, if one on one questioning doesn't work, they have 3 more people come over so they can start yelling questions at you, and when your mind can't process it, you are a 'tyrant' 'sheeple' or a 'fucking piece of shit'

This is not a group I want to be associated with, Ron Paul doesn't want to be, and America doesn't want to be. The movement is big enough to be self sufficent, and We are Change does not need Ron Paul's help to spread the 9/11 message.

The people that Ron Paul is trying to convert are average American conservatives who have a strong sense of Patriotism, and they believe that Osama needs to pay his dues.

If Ron Paul thought 9/11 was an inside job, why would he vote to send troops to Afghanistan? Why would he continue to state that the battle in Afghanistan is justified?

Where is the logic here?!?!?!??!

Stop trying to speak for Ron Paul, you are really bad at it.

Your view of 9/11 truth also needs a serious overhaul.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

The truthers make up most of the movement. I know several state coordinators who are truthers. A large majority of my friends from meetup are truthers. I know several meetup organizers and assistant organizers that are truthers. Many of these truthers have advanced degrees and are very intelligent, successful people.


I am not a truther myself. I am more of a fence sitter. I enjoy debating these people about their 9/11 beliefs. I welcome them to the movement, and I don't understand why people have such a huge problem with them.

You're hangin out with the wrong people, then. The majority of the movement that I've noticed are freedom lovers.

The truthers are morons. I'm willing to bet you weren't standing on the ground when it happened....you're just too busy viewing blurry youtube footage and pulling ridiculous garbage out of pixelated graphics in them.

The movement is about FREEDOM. It never was a 9/11 truth movement and do NOT try to take that away from those of us fighting for true freedom.

 

[dannno]

You're hangin out with the wrong people, then. The majority of the movement that I've noticed are freedom lovers.

The majority of freedom lovers I have met have an open enough mind to question 9/11.

The truthers are morons. I'm willing to bet you weren't standing on the ground when it happened....you're just too busy viewing blurry youtube footage and pulling ridiculous garbage out of pixelated graphics in them.

The movement is about FREEDOM. It never was a 9/11 truth movement and do NOT try to take that away from those of us fighting for true freedom.

Um, you don't seem to get it. At all.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

Stop trying to speak for Ron Paul, you are really bad at it.

Your view of 9/11 truth also needs a serious overhaul.

I just say what he says, and the 9/11 truth needs a serious overhaul of how they communicate with potential members....

I never told any of these We Are Change kids I was a member, and I asked them rhetorical questions, but it just got them fuming angry when I schooled them on history.

This is not a unique experience. Which is sad. I resigned from We Are Change because I am fed up with how they get their message out.

Go watch Fabled Enemies, They have a group of people yelling questions at this poor guy that agrees with them. This is a typical We Are Change tactic. Its disturbing and confusing to a lot of people.

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

It is amusing you ignore the people (and voters) who have addressed your 'real' issue.

This statement does nothing to address the real issue at all. Take 5 people and ask them if they would rather hear about the Constitution or 9/11 being an inside job. Case closed.

1.) Paul's pro-Constitution, Misean economic message has been going out for the 30 years he has been in Congress. It did NOT gain him many adherents beyond a remnant, including during his last Presidential run in '88.

Almost no one was (or still is) aware of him or these ideas. That he has become more popular has *nothing* to do with 9/11 Truth itself. Ron Paul did not suddenly become more popular by going around screaming, "9/11 was an inside job!!!!"

He did not become the national phenomenon he is now UNTIL he ran as a champion of both Libertarian AND Patriot movement issues

Funny that here you say he became a "national phenomenon" then later say "IT DID NOT WORK." Becoming a "national phenomenon" is a pretty big success, especially when most people have not yet heard about Ron Paul nor his ideas.

(of which 9-11 truth is one)

Ron Paul has never used 9/11 Truth itself to gain in popularity. In fact, he has repeatedly said he does not endorse nor support it.

in this past year's Presidential run, and UNTIL he got his early donation money from truthers. He actually got into the most trouble NOT over 9-11, but over the past newsletters put out in his name by his Misean colleagues.

I never said the truthers as PEOPLE did not assist. He became popular through support of the Constitution, not 9/11 Truth which he has opposed numerous times. Because people who are truthers supported him doesn't mean the message of 9/11 Truth supported him. Racists have donated to him and supported him as well -- does that mean Ron Paul is a racist, is a part of that movement, and that racism is a reason for his success?

2.) Let's be emphatically clear. Paul distanced himself from 9-11 issues, following which he won ZERO primaries, and the media STILL blacked him out.

I never said 9/11 Truth was wholly responsible, but it certainly doesn't help. You think if he had screamed "9/11 was an inside job" we would have WON the primaries instead? Your point is pointless.

WE TRIED IT YOUR WAY, AND IT DID NOT WORK.

Completely wrong here. It accomplished a lot.

"I’ll tell you one thing," Ron Paul added. "When I’m back in D.C., I get a lot of recognition from members of Congress who want my endorsement and want my support, to help out, because they are in tight races and they know the grassroots Republicans are interested in what I’m saying."

As we move forward as a movement, we will move forward with ALL the issues of major concern to it, period. The proven failure of the "no 9-11" approach DOES NOT give its adherents any authority to dictate it be excluded any longer.

1. There wasn't a 'failure'.
2. He would have done much much much worse if he had run around screaming "9/11 as an inside job"

This is what you ignore/avoid. It as though you are implying not yelling '9/11 was an inside job' HINDERED his campaign. If that is your implication, you are just dead wrong. He would be less known, there would be less people who know about the Constitution, and et cetera.

Ron Paul not becoming President doesn't suddenly turn the bad plan of "Inside Job" into a good one. That's like saying, "OMG, I ate healthy food for two weeks and I'm not a champion weight lifter!! Time to go back to eating junk food!!!"

By the way, 9/11 Truth has been 'mainstream' a lot longer than Ron Paul, and 9/11 Truth has done much worse at gaining support. So, there goes that theory. Even Alex Jones, in a radio interview with Ron Paul, said, "You are much bigger than I am." Not those exact words, and I don't feel like searching now.

You've completely failed at addressing my point that more people are receptive to hearing about the Constitution than "9/11 was an inside job." Let me know when you are ready to show that the opposite is true. Anyone can take a camera and question 10 random people and disprove your view.

Lastly, if 9/11 Truth is such a better plan, and so much bigger, why are you here instead of at the 911insidejobforums.com site? Certainly you wouldn't want to spend your time at the site with a bad plan over your site with the much better plan? Why aren't you running as a 9/11 Truth candidate or spending your time supporting one? The answers to these questions are self evident. 9/11 Truth on its own would be a big flop in politics so people try to latch onto something else much more successful than their own movement and selfishly leech off of it. Of course, it's unethical, but such people are willing to throw away principle, if it means some personal gain for themselves. Reminds me of a few other movements.

You have not made the case whatsoever that we should switch to an inferior presentation when a much superior one is available.

 

[HaddEnuff]

The majority of the truth movement is selfish, immature, and uneducated of the history of the US.

the majority of AMERICANS are selfish, immature and undeducated on the history of the U.S.
Isn't that what we're trying to work together to change?

Their power is a gang mentality

I disagree with some people's tactics as well but that doesn't change my beliefs.
1+1=2 regardles of how it's presented.

The people that Ron Paul is trying to convert are average American conservatives who have a strong sense of Patriotism, and they believe that Osama needs to pay his dues.

Don't you think Osama should be charged with the crime before he's made to pay his dues?

 

[Jeremy]

Let me set this straight for you since I was in attendance. There were a few people whereing 9/11 T-shirts at the rally. At know time were the truthers disrespetcful to our movment. NO ONE chanted 9/11 was an inside job when Jesse Ventura spoke.

People need to get over the 9/11 thing. Freedom brings us together we get all walks of life in our movement and this is just something you have to accept. If people don't accept it will just bring more lame posts like this one and draw negative attention.

This is a lie. We heard them loud and clear. Maybe you weren't sitting near them, but they were protesting and yelling "911 was an inside job" while shaking their fists and scaring away all the potential liberty supporters.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

This is a lie. We heard them loud and clear. Maybe you weren't sitting near them, but they were protesting and yelling "911 was an inside job" while shaking their fists and scaring away all the potential liberty supporters.

I, as well as many people here, am here for freedom....not pushing 9/11 conspiracies by trying to use, and yes they are trying to, Ron's message as a vehicle.

Ron has stated numerous times he does not endorse the truthers point of view. Putting the weight of their conspiracy on Ron's shoulders is wrong, immoral, and sickening. It's inexcusable. A man steps up to fight for your rights and all these people can think about it "We'll use Ron to push 911 conspiracies."

Ron doesn't endorse it, keep it away from his rallies and events, and stop getting in the way of OUR effort to restore the republic.

You have an issue with the way 9/11 investigations were conducted? Petition the government and take your legal recourse. But, don't ever, EVER try to push it through with the Doctor's name tagged to it. That's what nearly ALL of you truthers are doing and it's AWFUL.