Tucker Carlson & Truthers

[V4Vendetta]

I just said what Alex said, I guess he is a liar, and he is discredited to me. Guess I should have known not to take anything AJ says seriously.

Alex Jones never said "I never knew Ron Paul till the first debate"

 

[ClayTrainor]

Alex Jones never said "I never knew Ron Paul till the first debate"

I hear this alot V4V

not too sure where people are getting it from. Either way it doesn't really matter, Ron Paul is not afraid to associate himself with 911 Truth.

That may piss off some of our fellow comrades, but their angst towards truthers pisses me off, so... i guess we'll just have to live, being pissed off at eachother but, we have the same goals, our philosophical view on the government and world politics is almost exactly the same.

we need to Deal with eachothers existence. Maybe the truthers are stupid, maybe "debunkers" arent as informed as they'd like to think...


Who gives a Fuck?

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

You sheeple will never learn even though your leader gives you numerous clues as to what he really thinks about 9/11. HE INVITED JESSE TO SPEAK AT THE RALLY WHILE KNOWING HIS VIEWS ABOUT 9/11 BEFOREHAND! HE REGURALY GOES ON ALEX JONES RADIO PROGRAM WHILE KNOWING MOST OF ALEX'S LISTENERS ARE 9/11 TRUTHERS!.

Please buy a clue!

The thing is that even if that is true, that just means even Ron Paul thinks talking about 9/11 being an inside job would do more harm than good for the movement. Ron Paul already has a pro-Constitution and pro-American message that attracts people and turns them into supporters almost instantly if they get a chance to hear it. I still see no reason to use an inferior talking point that brings in much less support and even drives people away.

The type of people we need to bring in are the very ones who don't want to hear anything about 9/11 being an inside job. If they start to believe that after joining the group, then so be it.. But that doesn't change that it is *not* a good way to introduce people to the message of liberty, especially when a much much better and positive introduction is already available.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

Alex Jones never said "I never knew Ron Paul till the first debate"

Your word against mine...

And, Yeah, he did. He even said that he didn't even know what district he was in, and was surprised to find out he was close.


But he has also said that 'The British Government is now censoring Prison Planet', when it was really in a few train stations.

He has said some senators have children brought to their office so they can molest them...No proof of this.

Do you happen to remember his show running up to Y2K??

He has a history of lying and exaggerations. I'm sorry for even quoting that guy.

 

[vodalian]

I find it quite funny how some people here in one breath will preach about the constitution and liberty, and in the next, imply that people don't have the right to personal beliefs and freedom of speech. Thankfully, most people in this movement doesn't visit this forum, otherwise I would have very little faith in this movement for LIBERTY, which many people here can't seem to grasp the definition of.

A true libertarian doesn't care about what you believe, or say, or chant, or protest...

 

[MikeStanart]

The fact is:

Ron Paul has said himself, that this movement is DIVERSE. We all have different beliefs, backgrounds, and ideas.

However, we all have one thing in common, that is LIBERTY.



Our main goal should be to give a chance for the seeds of liberty to be sown.

We need to be STRATEGIC in our efforts to sow these seeds.

I think it is very obvious that the Taboo nature surrounding 9/11 truth is

not advantageous for sowing these seeds (PUBLICLY). Therefore, we must keep

therories like 9/11 on the DOWN LOW, until we hold legitimate power in poliitcs,

which will make our questioning more legitimate.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

(response to vodalian)

Then a true Libertarian should realize that I have a right to be openly against what they are saying and doing.

I don't think 9/11 gear should be banned from CFL rallies, I believe people should show personal restraint and the ability to appeal to the establishment Republicans.

MikeStanart, +1776

Like I said in another thread, To be the Establishment, you have to play the Establishment game. I don't know if you agree with this statement, but controversial topics only bring controversy.

 

[MikeStanart]

I find it quite funny how some people here in one breath will preach about the constitution and liberty, and in the next, imply that people don't have the right to personal beliefs and freedom of speech. Thankfully, most people in this movement doesn't visit this forum, otherwise I would have very little faith in this movement for LIBERTY, which many people here can't seem to grasp the definition of.

A true libertarian doesn't care about what you believe, or say, or chant, or protest...

I completely agree. However, it will be quite some time until 9/11 truth theories will become less taboo. Because of this taboo nature, we must abstain from connecting ourselves with this message in order to be more legitimate in the eyes of those who consider joining us.

 

[Jeremy]

is that really why tucker left?

man, ive always disliked truthers

i cant believe this...

 

[durden0]

I think we would all be doing ourselves a favor if we learn to espouse our different messages the Ron Paul way, very non-aggressively and without an air of superiority, with calmness and rationality.


I must admit I felt very uncomfortable when the subject of conspiracy theories was brought up at my local meetup and I posed some skepticism about those theories only to be met with odd looks and a constant spew of questions and 'facts'.

If the CFL wants to train us in something, I hope it's on how to passively express the message the way ron paul does.

 

[MikeStanart]

:-(

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

The fact is:

Ron Paul has said himself, that this movement is DIVERSE. We all have different beliefs, backgrounds, and ideas.

However, we all have one thing in common, that is LIBERTY.

Our main goal should be to give a chance for the seeds of liberty to be sown.

We need to be STRATEGIC in our efforts to sow these seeds.

I think it is very obvious that the Taboo nature surrounding 9/11 truth is

not advantageous for sowing these seeds (PUBLICLY). Therefore, we must keep

therories like 9/11 on the DOWN LOW, until we hold legitimate power in poliitcs,

which will make our questioning more legitimate.

I got to disagree with you. The Neocones have dug their grave on 9/11 and we got to push them in it. It is their biggest mistake ever and we should not waste this chance or we would be fools. We cannot wait for a politician to be elected, politicians are like clay can easily be shaped. The time is running and the American memory is not that good. Have not you heard of Bob Barr talk with Glenn Beck. Listen carefully to your politicians.

Glenn Beck: "When Ron Paul was running I had several run-ins with these people called the 9-11 Truthers. They say we blew up the World Trade Center. You?"

Bob Barr:"I don't pay any attention to that. None at all. I've heard the same thing. We heard it when we did some investigations of Waco, the same sort of stuff. We gotta move beyond that. I mean there are real problems facing us and the world that we can actually do something about without worrying about conspira[cies] of times past.
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Wakeup people!
9/11 Now Or Never!​

 

[richardfortherepublic]

I find it quite funny how some people here in one breath will preach about the constitution and liberty, and in the next, imply that people don't have the right to personal beliefs and freedom of speech. Thankfully, most people in this movement doesn't visit this forum, otherwise I would have very little faith in this movement for LIBERTY, which many people here can't seem to grasp the definition of.

A true libertarian doesn't care about what you believe, or say, or chant, or protest...

I got to disagree with you. The Neocones have dug their grave on 9/11 and we got to push them in it. It is their biggest mistake ever and we should not waste this chance or we would be fools. We cannot wait for a politician to be elected, politicians are like clay can easily be shaped. The time is running and the American memory is not that good. Have not you heard of Bob Barr talk with Glenn Beck.

9/11 Now Or Never![/SIZE][/CENTER]

Ill take never, if this is how its going to be done.

 

[Jeremy]

truthers have done nothing for liberty in america

all they care about is their false lala land coming true

 

[richardfortherepublic]

is that really why tucker left?

man, ive always disliked truthers

i cant believe this...

Dude, this whole deal pissed me off to the point that I resigned from We are Change.

The truthers just have to have the cake and eat it... even if it isn't their party.

 

[Jeremy]

can we like get a confirmation on this though

if this proves to be the reason why he left (certainly thousands of others were scared when it happened as well), i will strengthen my crusade against truther-extremists =)

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

can we like get a confirmation on this though
if this proves to be the reason why he left (certainly thousands of others were scared when it happened as well), i will strengthen my crusade against truther-extremists =)

Tucker is another hypocrite and whoever cares about is most likely to be another hypocrite sitting among us.

 

[jmdrake]

I heard there was some kind of altercation between the asshole truthers and Tucker Carlson. They supposedly scared him off & he stopped being MC. What exactly happened?? I also heard the truthers were chanting "911 was an inside job" during the Ventura speech. Why wont the truthers just go away or shut the hell up? It seems they use this movement of small government, free markets & anti-war and turned it into a conspiracy theory camp. It really angers me that they are destroying the movement.

1) Why didn't you post this in hot topics? By posting it on the main forum you are causing the very problems you claim truthers cause.

2) If you really are concerned about truthers, why start a thread that's an obvious flamebait which will only cause an issue you wish wasn't prominent to be so? (See point #1). I don't like racism, but I don't go around posting "anti racist" threads because it would invariably bring up the very discussions I wish to avoid.

3) Why do you think Ron Paul invited two prominent truthers to speak at the CFL? Do you think he was hoping they would "go away" or "shut up"?

4) Considering the fact that Ron Paul received over TWICE the votes in 2008 with truther support than he did in 1988 without it, how can you honestly claim that truthers are "destroying the movement"?

5) Does it bother you when Ron Paul repeatedly goes on the Alex Jones show and makes major campaign announcements? For example the CFL was first announced on the Alex Jones show. Would Dr. Paul do that if he really wanted truthers to "go away"?

6) Do you understand that the MSM dismisses a lot of Ron Paul's positions as "conspiracy theory"? The North American Union. The NAFTA superhighway. The illegality of the income tax. The idea that the Federal Reserve is undermining the U.S. economy. All of that has been repeatedly dismissed as "conspiracy theory". So any movement associated with Ron Paul will get a "conspiracy theory" tag attached to it regardless of 9/11.

7) Do you realize that Dr. Paul is no longer running for president? I know I'm belaboring the obvious here, but this is an important point. We are in a new phase now. It's no longer about electing a particular candidate to a particular office during one particular election cycle. If it was I doubt Dr. Paul would have invited governor Ventura to speak in the first place. And really you throwing a hissy fit is insulting to Dr. Paul's intelligence. Obviously there were going to be a large number of truthers at the rally. (The only obvious reason for announcing this first on Alex Jones was to insure some of his listeners would attend to help swell the crowd). Obviously there was a risk of governor Ventura saying something related to 9/11. Obviously there was a risk that such a combination would erupt in a 9/11 chant. It's as obvious as the risk of smoking while pumping gasoline. If what happened concerns you so much get involved with the CFL leadership so you can try to tell Dr. Paul what to do. Or better yet shut up and go away your own self.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

not true.

I would estimate less then 10% of the real world Ron Paul supporters fit the "truther" label.

The Script Howard poll suggests 30% of Americans are truthers. Unless you think truthers are statistically LESS likely to support Dr. Paul than the general population (despite all of Dr. Paul's efforts to reach out to truthers on the Alex Jones show) your assertion makes absolutely ZERO sense. I suspect you've reached this ridiculously low number because most truthers have followed the unwritten "Don't go running around talking about 9/11 while campaigning for Dr. Paul" rule. It's a catch 22. If truthers make their voices heard it's condemned as "hijacking the campaign". If they don't people (purposefully?) underestimate their numbers.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[tremendoustie]

you would also think that doing that ONCE at ONE event, showed how restrained we have been.

I am aware that there are certain places and times for such actions. That's why i told all my fellow 9/11 truthers to not say a word about 9/11 while campaigning for Paul.

However, if a stadium, filled with 12,000 people, of which 2,000, atleast were truthers, long after Ron Paul suspended his campaign, is not the right place or time, i wonder what would be?

That would be at a 9/11 rally, or some other event associated with the truther movement, or on your own -- not in a situation when you know your beliefs will be falsely assigned to the liberty movement.

Look, I'm not a "truther", but I do agree with a full investigation. I also disbelieve the "official" story on evolution. Would I stand up at a CFL rally with signs saying, "evolution is a hoax, study the science for yourself?" No! Because that is not the purpose of the CFL and I would be hijacking the movement for my own purposes. I will attend debates or discuss science regarding macro evolution on my own time. Who cares if the campaign is over? The movement is as important as ever. I am proud to have truthers among us, who will work hard along side me for liberty, and use their freedom with discretion. I wish those who are not able to use their freedom of speech with discretion, and cannot restrain themselves from harming a movement that serves their own interests and purposes, would just leave (or preferably join the former group). Shouting '9/11' truth does nothing for your cause, but kills the last best chance you have of ever getting a real investigation. By all means, if you want a closed government forever, and never want to learn the 'truth', be as brash and loud as possible, and never miss an opportunity to brand the CFL with your 9/11 message. Shoot yourself and all of us in the head, forget the foot.