Tucker Carlson & Truthers

[libertygrl]

Go to 911 Truther Meetup groups & post your messages on 911 Truther message boards. Do not post your conspiracy theories on this board, do not talk about it in the chat room, do not talk about it at events, do not mention them in the same conversation. Just be quiet.

Who elected you as dictator? So much for free speech.

 

[cilution]

Some people will always be using any means they can to promote their own beliefs. Some people just want to be heard. Some people are so stuck in the "if only they knew what I knew..." mentality that they're no different than religious nuts telling you how you need to find Jesus while trying to look down on you from their imaginary seat of moral or intellectual superiority.

This is why so many groups have become so exclusive... because groups don't want to deal with people like that. I can't blame them.

They'll pull the freedom card. It's a free country, I can say what I want, do what I want, right? Well, sure, but I think that exercising your freedom at the expense of an event like the R4R sort of spits on the freedom of those who organized said event, not to mention all the attendees that are there for the publicly stated event purpose. If you exercise your freedom and at the same time show a lack of respect for the freedom of others, you don't deserve your freedom. Well, I guess you are free to be an asshole, and I'm free to beat the crap out of you for harassing me.

If you want to talk about 9/11 truth movement stuff, then organize your own event and attract people who care to hear you. Otherwise, leave the rest of us alone (does that line sound familiar?). Don't be opportunistic bastards. I don't know about everyone else, but you sure as hell will never win me to your cause that way.

 

[V4Vendetta]

I heard there was some kind of altercation between the asshole truthers and Tucker Carlson. They supposedly scared him off & he stopped being MC. What exactly happened?? I also heard the truthers were chanting "911 was an inside job" during the Ventura speech. Why wont the truthers just go away or shut the hell up? It seems they use this movement of small government, free markets & anti-war and turned it into a conspiracy theory camp. It really angers me that they are destroying the movement.

Excuse me sir, if it wasn't for the 9/11 truth movement, and Alex Jones, Ron Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

Give respect where respect is due.

I was against the peolpe spouting 9/11 was an inside job DURING the campaign but now the campaign is over.

have you researched the facts of 9/11? Answer: No
It's obvious.

 

[V4Vendetta]

not true.

I would estimate less then 10% of the real world Ron Paul supporters fit the "truther" label.

Not true

 

[V4Vendetta]

Go to 911 Truther Meetup groups & post your messages on 911 Truther message boards. Do not post your conspiracy theories on this board, do not talk about it in the chat room, do not talk about it at events, do not mention them in the same conversation. Just be quiet.

Go sit in the corner and be the good red headed step child that you should be.

 

[Cowlesy]

Excuse me sir, if it wasn't for the 9/11 truth movement, and Alex Jones, Ron Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

Give respect where respect is due.

I was against the peolpe spouting 9/11 was an inside job DURING the campaign but now the campaign is over.

have you researched the facts of 9/11? Answer: No
It's obvious.

I respectfully disagree with this assertion. Unless 9/11 Truthers and Alex Jones were the catalyst to make Ron Paul a Congressman, get him to run for President and thereby get him in the debates, I disagree that RP would not have went as far as he did.

My assertion is that Ron exploded onto the stage is because a shitload of pissed off Republicans got jilted back into reality by his straight-talk in the debates.

In fact, I would have never heard of "9/11 Truth" or Alex Jones without Ron Paul. I think it is the other way around.

 

[V4Vendetta]

In fact, I would have never heard of "9/11 Truth" or Alex Jones without Ron Paul. I think it is the other way around.

That's because you were not around those groups of people and saw what they did, or were even engaged in their tactics.

There is no doubt, that if it wasn't for the people of 9/11 truth, along with Alex Jones, Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

May I remind you, at the time Ron Paul formed his exploratory committee, 9/11 truth, was at the zenith of growth all over the country. We were gaining in strength like never before. Most of which were very computer literate. When Ron Paul got ready for his debates, who do you think had the organization in place to bombard the media and the debates with weapons of information?

Email servers, personal phone numbers of big wigs in the GOP, and media. (I'm talking about cell phone, blackberry's, and home numbers)

May I ask that this be introduced into the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otZgd9wxE98

Keep in mind this is before the first debate, and Paul's FIRST mainstream media coverage.

You (Fellow Revolutionaries), that condem, and speak bad about us, are totally clueless as to the truth and the sheer numbers of us that make up the Ron Paul Revolution, We account for atleast 50% of Paul's total numbers.

You're eyes are open about 75% of the way, why not try to look at the subject as a neutral, objective, observer, and make your own conclusions.
Please watch this new film, it was just released, and it is a great background into the events behind 9/11.

Fabled Enemies
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407

 

[Eric21ND]

Excuse me sir, if it wasn't for the 9/11 truth movement, and Alex Jones, Ron Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

Give respect where respect is due.

I was against the peolpe spouting 9/11 was an inside job DURING the campaign but now the campaign is over.

have you researched the facts of 9/11? Answer: No
It's obvious.

I think Youtube was a bigger factor in Ron Paul's success than Alex Jones and the truth movement...in fact at times they were a hinderance.

 

[Eric21ND]

That's because you were not around those groups of people and saw what they did, or were even engaged in their tactics.

There is no doubt, that if it wasn't for the people of 9/11 truth, along with Alex Jones, Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

May I remind you, at the time Ron Paul formed his exploratory committee, 9/11 truth, was at the zenith of growth all over the country. We were gaining in strength like never before. Most of which were very computer literate. When Ron Paul got ready for his debates, who do you think had the organization in place to bombard the media and the debates with weapons of information?

Email servers, personal phone numbers of big wigs in the GOP, and media. (I'm talking about cell phone, blackberry's, and home numbers)

May I ask that this be introduced into the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otZgd9wxE98

Keep in mind this is before the first debate, and Paul's FIRST mainstream media coverage.

You (Fellow Revolutionaries), that condem, and speak bad about us, are totally clueless as to the truth and the sheer numbers of us that make up the Ron Paul Revolution, We account for atleast 50% of Paul's total numbers.

This is so utterly false I don't know where to begin. Your numbers are probably closer to 5% of Ron's number. Your movement is in the fringe of Ron Paul movement. Paul tapped into the underlying libertarian sentiment of this country, which is most prevalent online and with the younger generation.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

I respectfully disagree with this assertion. Unless 9/11 Truthers and Alex Jones were the catalyst to make Ron Paul a Congressman, get him to run for President and thereby get him in the debates, I disagree that RP would not have went as far as he did.

My assertion is that Ron exploded onto the stage is because a shitload of pissed off Republicans got jilted back into reality by his straight-talk in the debates.

In fact, I would have never heard of "9/11 Truth" or Alex Jones without Ron Paul. I think it is the other way around.

Alex Jones said himself on a few occasions that he had never heard of Ron Paul until the debates.... which, I don't know how he can be credited with giving Ron the spotlight, if he didn't know he was a congressman from a district not far from where he lives.

By all means Alex is a good American... and HAS done a lot for the Ron Paul Revolution... but giving him credit for what he hasn't done, is just as delusional as drones flying around the WTC.

Yet again, more baseless claims by truthers.

I found Ron Paul, then the 9/11 truth bowl movement through someone posting loose change on here.

All the truth movement will get from me anymore is the official story.



The truthers are really the dividing point in this movement and it makes me mad as hell. Not because they are truthers, but how the conduct themselves and what they say when the time is not appropriate.

Ron Paul's message won't destroy this movement, but magic bullet theories will.

 

[jkr]

man, can we stop all this factioning off of our power? our unity

 

[CAKochenash]

Damn i hate free speech and people's right to freely assemble....But I love Ron Paul....

Besides, truthers just sat on their ass the ENTIRE year and a half of the campaign...



Maybe this country isn't ready for Liberty...

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

The 9/11 movement has pretty much taken over The Daily Paul http://www.dailypaul.com/forum/177 and a lot of the members are working to get everyone off of the site who doesn't agree that screaming '9/11 is an Inside Job' is the best plan to win.

Here is the message I posted there and was then called a troll/shill/whatever-it-was for doing so. I thought my post was pretty reasonable.

In summary, Ron Paul's approach works at least 1,000% better at gaining us allies than screaming '9/11 is an inside job!'

Full message:

Carl Cameron: "Sir, would you ask them to cease that rhetoric, tonight, on your behalf." [On the issue of 9/11 truthers]

Ron Paul: "Well, it doesn't do me any good, so, if they care about me they should .........."

Enough said.

Sadly, and it's a minority, these people just don't care. There are tons of 9/11 Truthers who have the sense to keep the two movements separate. A small minority though think it is worth it to destroy the Campaign for Liberty just to increase their group by a tiny percentage.

I have no problem with 9/11 Truth(ers) in general, but I do have a problem with those who attempt to selfishly hijack another movement because they have no faith in their own being successful. As usual, it's a selfish minority who become a thorn in the side for both movements.

It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. Even if truthers are 100% right, it is still unethical to attack Ron Paul's movement. There are only two specific groups I've seen Ron Paul ask not to hijack his campaign, and the 9/11 movement was one of them. I *know* there are a ton of people who are in the 9/11 movement who support Paul but leave 9/11 out of it while at his events. These are the decent and ethical members of the 9/11 movement.

If you haven't noticed, Ron Paul attracts people to his movement with a POSITIVE message. A pro-American and pro-Constitution message. And it works when people have a chance to hear him. We've seen that. Right or wrong, the negative message that 9/11 is an inside job scares people away and makes people depressed, and turns them away from even considering listening to Ron Paul.

My main question is if the 9/11 movement is so popular and successful, why do they feel a need to try and hijack the liberty movement in the first place? Once again, I'm addressing the minority. The majority are ethical people who don't try to do this. Why doesn't the 9/11 have its own campaign and its own rallies? And if it already does, there is no reason to try and hijack this one.

In closing:

Carl Cameron: "Sir, would you ask them to cease that rhetoric, tonight, on your behalf." [On the issue of 9/11 truthers]

Ron Paul: "Well, it doesn't do me any good, so, if they care about me they should .........."

[Note: I never said the 9/11 movement in general was wrong nor did I imply anything of that nature. So, please keep all lying and smearing to yourself. It only does disservice to your cause. Thank you.]

 

[Cowlesy]

That's because you were not around those groups of people and saw what they did, or were even engaged in their tactics.

There is no doubt, that if it wasn't for the people of 9/11 truth, along with Alex Jones, Paul would not have gotten near as far as he did.

May I remind you, at the time Ron Paul formed his exploratory committee, 9/11 truth, was at the zenith of growth all over the country. We were gaining in strength like never before. Most of which were very computer literate. When Ron Paul got ready for his debates, who do you think had the organization in place to bombard the media and the debates with weapons of information?

Email servers, personal phone numbers of big wigs in the GOP, and media. (I'm talking about cell phone, blackberry's, and home numbers)

May I ask that this be introduced into the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otZgd9wxE98

Keep in mind this is before the first debate, and Paul's FIRST mainstream media coverage.

You (Fellow Revolutionaries), that condem, and speak bad about us, are totally clueless as to the truth and the sheer numbers of us that make up the Ron Paul Revolution, We account for atleast 50% of Paul's total numbers.

You're eyes are open about 75% of the way, why not try to look at the subject as a neutral, objective, observer, and make your own conclusions.
Please watch this new film, it was just released, and it is a great background into the events behind 9/11.

Fabled Enemies
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407

First off, as much as I have been annoyed having to do it, I have been an ardent "Truther" defender on here though I completely disagree with you on the subject. So I take a bit of offense about being called "totally clueless" after I have indeed watched Loose Change, and have spent time informing people that many activists are in-fact Truthers and that actually many of them did NOT wrap their 9/11 Truth in with their campaigning.

And just so you are aware, I am in NYC where our Meetup had a large concentration of 9/11 Truth folks (probably 10-15%), but whenever we were out campaigning, they never wore their shirts or carried those signs or handed out 9/11 Truth stamped stuff because at that point they were campaigning for Ron PAUL, not 9/11 Truth. In fact a lot of the people I later found out were 9/11 folks were some of our best campaigners which is why I always bristle at the fact when people bucket ALL Truthers as detrimental to the campaign.

So you will not hear me knock 9/11 Truthers as campaigners, but just like any other subset of supporters, you WILL have some bad-apples that twitch at the idea of not pushing their pet-agenda when they campaign. I remember at a rally in Michigan a Truther handed out some 9/11 Inside Job items to a reporter from I believe the Boston Globe, and of course it made at least their online media content.

Bottomline is, if folks are campaigning whether they are Truthers or official-story-people or some other sort of zealot or non-zealot, campaigning takes finesse as you are talking to walking zombies in many cases. All the 9/11 Truth folks I campaigned alongside were amazing, but that doesn't mean the bushel doesn't have a bad apple or two.

 

[rbu]

Anyone who thinks truthers make up less than 10% of the supporters should take a second to remember how the mainstream media said Paul supporters were just a few spammers on the Internet. We all know how wrong that was. I won't claim truthers are the majority but a large portion to say the least.

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

I'd also like to add that Alex Jones does NOT show up at Ron Paul's events yelling '9/11 was an inside job'. So, bringing up Alex Jones is the very opposite of supporting the case to do so, since Alex Jones himself seems to think it's a bad move -- or at least cares about Ron Paul and his movement enough to respect his wishes.

 

[specsaregood]

If by 'supporter' you mean someone who voted for Ron Paul and didn't do much more besides that, you are probably correct.

But if you are talking about the people who actively campaigned for RP, i strongly disagree. At least from my experience.

That's not true IF "truther" == Controlled Demolition only. If you mean "truther" in a much broader sense (such as Ron Paul's position) then I would agree. I am a "truther" in the sense that I think there were coverups and perhaps foreknowledge; but have been far from convinced with the CD theories.

Yes, I would say most active RP supporters are "truthers" in the broad sense; but not in the CD-only theory sense. In fact, I think the theory that CD has been promoted to such an extent as to cloud the issue and pigeon-hole "truthers" as nutcases has some merit to it.

 

[V4Vendetta]

Alex Jones said himself on a few occasions that he had never heard of Ron Paul until the debates....

Completely False, you are now discredited.
Alex and Paul have been friends for about 10 years.

This film came out, i think, in 2003 Ron Paul is the main speaker in this film.
Matrix of Evil:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-390424387879906415

By all means Alex is a good American... and HAS done a lot for the Ron Paul Revolution... but giving him credit for what he hasn't done, is just as delusional as drones flying around the WTC.

Once again, you are discredited.

Yet again, more baseless claims by truthers.

Looks like a baseless claim by you

The truthers are really the dividing point in this movement and it makes me mad as hell. Not because they are truthers, but how the conduct themselves and what they say when the time is not appropriate.

Ron Paul's message won't destroy this movement, but magic bullet theories will.

I have told my fellow truthers to leave it out of Ron Paul's campaign.
The campaign is over, and people need to learn of the truth about 9/11.

 

[V4Vendetta]

I think Youtube was a bigger factor in Ron Paul's success than Alex Jones and the truth movement...in fact at times they were a hinderance.

Youtube, yes, it was. But that was another tactic done by 9/11 truthers, we used the same tactic to get our videos to the top of google video for a year.

9/11 truthers were a hindrance, i have no doubt about that, that's why i told them to shut up about it while trying to get Ron Paul elected.

 

[V4Vendetta]

This is so utterly false I don't know where to begin. Your numbers are probably closer to 5% of Ron's number. Your movement is in the fringe of Ron Paul movement. Paul tapped into the underlying libertarian sentiment of this country, which is most prevalent online and with the younger generation.

You are utterly false.
yes, Paul tapped into the libertarians, and republicans that were antiwar.
But like I said, if not for us and alex jones, he would not have lasted past the first or second debate. to think different, is to kid yourself.