Tucker Carlson: "The US should preemptively strike, Iran should be annihilated".

[AGRP]

If he believed the vile he was spewing then he should enlist tomorrow.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Jesse Ventura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tucker Carlson. I'm bookmarking this thread for the next time some jackass complains about Ventura making Tucker Carlson "uncomfortable" for talking about 9/11 at the rally for the republic.

Two wrongs make a right? Interesting.

 

[speciallyblend]

Two wrongs make a right? Interesting.

Jesse Ventura said nothing wrong? I was at the Rally. What is it your suggesting jesse ventura did that was wrong?

 

[Athan]

You know what? I'm tired of this shit. Just declare war as outlined by the Constitution and the warmongers won't hear me complain. They will hear a "I told you so" if it comes to that, but let them have their war.

 

[NidStyles]

I agree. But governments have Constitutions, and if they don't stick to them, then what? I say they've broken their contract with the people, but do you want the whole thing null and void? I don't.

To be honest, the Constitution was invalid when it was written. You can not bind people to a contractual agreement without their consent. Lysander Spooner wrote quite a bit on this very topic.

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/

 

[JK/SEA]

You know what? I'm tired of this shit. Just declare war as outlined by the Constitution and the warmongers won't hear me complain. They will hear a "I told you so" if it comes to that, but let them have their war.

Exactly. Then we can hear them bitch and moan, and point fingers of why gas is 10 bucks a gal.

Brilliant.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There are libertarian socialists, but Maher is not one of those either since he`s pro government. He`s more like a confused liberal who only wants government involvement in certain areas.

Also, you can be libertarian and be supportive of an Israel strike against Iran. There`s no conflict there. Israel should be allowed to attack what they perceive as a threat. Israel is already engaged in a war with Hezbollah, which is Iran`s pet.

Yes, I agree that Israel should be able to defend herself as they deem necessary.

I personally think Iran`s leadership is totally crazy as they believe they play some role in making some prophecy come true.

You mean like John Hagee?

They`re also openly anti-Jewish.

How is that any worse than this?

...a phrase posted in Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's facebook page in which he wished death to all Arabs...

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2222617&language=en

I see nothing wrong with Tucker expressing this view. I fully agree with him.

Tucker said that the U.S. should preemptively strike Iran. Earlier in your comment you said that Israel should be allowed to defend herself. I agree with that. Please tell me why America needs to risk our blood, treasure and further erosion of our national defense.

Israel has 300 nukes and apparently hates all Arabs. By your logic, does that mean we should attack them too?

 

[JuicyG]

What you may not know about Iran is that President Ahmadinejad is not in control of Iran's military. His bellicose rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. The religious leader of Iran is commander in chief

Ayatollahs are even worse than Ahmadinejad. He`s more rationale than the ayatollahs as many university teachers are compared to religious brainwashed zealots.

 

[JuicyG]

You mean like John Hagee?

John Hagee is not in charge of US nukes and military.

How is that any worse than this?
...a phrase posted in Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's facebook page in which he wished death to all Arabs...
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2222617&language=en

That`s a total lie. Those were comments on his Facebook page, not statements he made. Check it out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...cebook-page.&p=4206358&viewfull=1#post4206358

 

[Guzabuza]

There are libertarian socialists, but Maher is not one of those either since he`s pro government. He`s more like a confused liberal who only wants government involvement in certain areas.

Also, you can be libertarian and be supportive of an Israel strike against Iran. There`s no conflict there. Israel should be allowed to attack what they perceive as a threat. Israel is already engaged in a war with Hezbollah, which is Iran`s pet.

I personally think Iran`s leadership is totally crazy as they believe they play some role in making some prophecy come true. They`re also openly anti-Jewish.

I see nothing wrong with Tucker expressing this view. I fully agree with him.

Sir are you f* kidding me? You call yourself a libertarian? Please cut the bs.

Libertarians can't be socialist. Libertarianism has 0 in common with socialism. Wtf is "libertarian socialists" ? Touch of pregnancy ? Marxist capitalist? Greenpeace member while working as a sale person for Humvee ?

People who calls them self social libertarian but still advocate the nanny state or republican libertarians who advocate preemptive strikes, have a two way split personality. They aren't able to see the forest from all the trees. Bill Maher is a perfect example of "lost in translation" as most "touch of pregnancy, self proclaimed nanny loving, war fetish, libertarians." have no god damn clue who they are what they believe in. They have 456 ideologies swirling around their head at the same time because they have not fully understood the meaning of a particular ideology or they don't have the capacity to fully make that 1+1 does NOT = 1,5. The answer is not 1 nor 1,5 its TWO, NUMBER 2. EITHER YOU ARE PREGNANT OR NOT.

Either you understand why WAR is a racket for the government as is the NANNY state or you don't. But don't come here proclaiming yourself as a libertarian since really your completely missing the big picture.

 

[pcosmar]

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Regardless of the alleged origins of this prediction and any opinion you may have of those alleged origins,, It has been around for a long time.

We will get to watch it unfold before our eyes.

 

[JuicyG]

Sir are you f* kidding me? You call yourself a libertarian? Please cut the bs.

Libertarians can't be socialist. Libertarianism has 0 in common with socialism. Wtf is "libertarian socialists" ? Touch of pregnancy ? Marxist capitalist? Greenpeace member while working as a sale person for Humvee ?

People who calls them self social libertarian but still advocate the nanny state or republican libertarians who advocate preemptive strikes, have a two way split personality. They aren't able to see the forest from all the trees. Bill Maher is a perfect example of "lost in translation" as most "touch of pregnancy, self proclaimed nanny loving, war fetish, libertarians." have no god damn clue who they are what they believe in. They have 456 ideologies swirling around their head at the same time because they have not fully understood the meaning of a particular ideology or they don't have the capacity to fully make that 1+1 does NOT = 1,5. The answer is not 1 nor 1,5 its TWO, NUMBER 2. EITHER YOU ARE PREGNANT OR NOT.

Relax.

Was just pointing out that there is a political philosophy called libertarian socialism. Someone who`s knowledgeable in political philosophy should know this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

I`m not a supporter of this philosophy because I believe in free markets, so I consider myself a right wing libertarian or anarcho-capitalist.

Bill Maher is neither of the two as he believes in centralized government. He`s libertarian on social issues but statist on fiscal issues, so libertarian label doesn`t really apply to him.

 

[Guzabuza]

Again, libertarian socialism or right wing libertarian are attempts to try to subdivide and politicizes an ideology that is so god damn simple do understand but so many fail to grasp it in a biiiiiiigggg way. Libertarian is pure and god damn simple, live me alone, hands of my property and income, be friends with everybody and dont tell others what to do if they haven't done anything to you. So god damn simple.

My point being and why i reacted as i did, in my book, and probably in RP also you can't be a true libertarian if you support the war state or any form of aggression.

It may be called "libertarian socialism" but if it smells, looks, and quacks like socialism then it is socialism. Can't see the forest from the trees symptom, ie don't connect the full picture.

 

[LibertyEagle]

John Hagee is not in charge of US nukes and military.

Not directly, no. Indirectly, yes. It doesn't sound to me like you understand what the neocons are all about.

That`s a total lie. Those were comments on his Facebook page, not statements he made. Check it out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...cebook-page.&p=4206358&viewfull=1#post4206358

Thanks for the info. It too bad that neither he or his staffers would denounce the comments.

Tell me again, why is it that you believe the U.S. should risk blood, treasure and a further erosion of our national security by getting involved in this? Let Israel take care of herself. All U.S. citizens who want to empty out their bank accounts and send them to Israel, are free to do so. They can even go ride a missile that is launched at Iran. But, our government should stay out of it.

 

[NidStyles]

Sir are you f* kidding me? You call yourself a libertarian? Please cut the bs.

Libertarians can't be socialist. Libertarianism has 0 in common with socialism. Wtf is "libertarian socialists" ? Touch of pregnancy ? Marxist capitalist? Greenpeace member while working as a sale person for Humvee ?

People who calls them self social libertarian but still advocate the nanny state or republican libertarians who advocate preemptive strikes, have a two way split personality. They aren't able to see the forest from all the trees. Bill Maher is a perfect example of "lost in translation" as most "touch of pregnancy, self proclaimed nanny loving, war fetish, libertarians." have no god damn clue who they are what they believe in. They have 456 ideologies swirling around their head at the same time because they have not fully understood the meaning of a particular ideology or they don't have the capacity to fully make that 1+1 does NOT = 1,5. The answer is not 1 nor 1,5 its TWO, NUMBER 2. EITHER YOU ARE PREGNANT OR NOT.

Either you understand why WAR is a racket for the government as is the NANNY state or you don't. But don't come here proclaiming yourself as a libertarian since really your completely missing the big picture.

You might want to go read some of the original Libertarian Socialists of France, the ones that inspired Jefferson and the rest. Liberalism is Libertarian Socialism. At least it was before the State got it's grubby mitt's on it, and turned it into this Progressivism.

Lysander Spooner was a well known Libertarian Socialist from the Civil War Era. He is the one that inspired Rothbard the most.

Relax.

Was just pointing out that there is a political philosophy called libertarian socialism. Someone who`s knowledgeable in political philosophy should know this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

I`m not a supporter of this philosophy because I believe in free markets, so I consider myself a right wing libertarian or anarcho-capitalist.

Bill Maher is neither of the two as he believes in centralized government. He`s libertarian on social issues but statist on fiscal issues, so libertarian label doesn`t really apply to him.

Libertarian Socialism does believe in Free-Markets. It just doesn't accept the wage labor theory of Capitalism. If someone is saying something in opposition to this, they are not really Libertarian Socialist. They are most likely actually just Anarcho-Marxists, which I agree is a stupid concept.

Wikipedia is such a horrible resource to use, too many people have access to edit it, and that means there is likely some tampering going on there, or simply people that have never actually read any of the material they claim to support beyond quotes and catch phrases.


If you want to know what Libertarian Socialism actually is, read some of the material here: Lysanderspooner.org

 

[JuicyG]

Not directly, no. Exactly who do you think the neocons ARE?


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Thanks for the info. It too bad that neither he or his staffers would denounce the comments.

Tell me again, why is it that you believe the U.S. should risk blood, treasure and a further erosion of our national security by getting involved in this? Let Israel take care of herself.

I don`t believe US should get involved. If Israel wants to strike Iran, let them strike. It`s their business.

At the moment, the Obama administration is actively working(thus getting directly involved) to stop Israel because he knows a war with Iran would destroy his chances of reelection due to instant economic depression generated by insane oil prices.

On the other hand, an Israel strike on Iran would help put a GOP candidate in office.

This is at the moment Obama`s biggest fear, that an Israeli strike would totally kill his reelection chances.

Regarding those comments; it would seem they were erased 1 hour after being posted. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...cebook-page.&p=4213597&viewfull=1#post4213597

 

[Guzabuza]

Jefferson was probably inspired by whole lot of people, man...... i live in ex communist "social liberal" country. Libertarian socialism is same bs as communism or any other utopian ideology. Capitalism is not a right wing, conservative ideology. Capitalism is how nature has created and meant for our system to work. There is no right or left, either you understand how true libertarianism and capitalist work or you don't. My point being regarding the nanny state or the war state. Capitalism is not able function if you have a war state. One thing is if you declare war, you get the people behind you, you TAX the people at the rate that is required to fight the war and you win it.

War that is financed with inflation distorts the whole economy and if overdone can destroy an economy. The way US is currently doing to it self.

You can't have capitalism without liberty, same as you can't have liberty without capitalism.

 

[Guzabuza]

Juicy G i am a little bit confused now, you state "I don`t believe US should get involved" but in your first post you write "I see nothing wrong with Tucker expressing this view. I fully agree with him. " You agree with him on that the US has the moral authority or you agree with him that Iran should be wiped out from map? OR that Iran should be wiped out from the map but without US involvement?

 

[Lucille]

It's just so sick how the US gov't and the Booboisie (yeah, Tucker, you're one of them) go around talking about annihilating other countries. What a bunch of Nazis.

I wonder if BSC! McCain will give another heartfelt speech on the Senate floor for all those Iranians he'll be voting to kill (or rather agitating to kill, since CONgress will likely not pass a declaration of war), like he did for Neda. And what about the 25,000 Jews currently living in Iran today?

 

[JuicyG]

Juicy G i am a little bit confused now, you state "I don`t believe US should get involved" but in your first post you write "I see nothing wrong with Tucker expressing this view. I fully agree with him. " You agree with him on that the US has the moral authority or you agree with him that Iran should be wiped out from map? OR that Iran should be wiped out from the map but without US involvement?

I agree with him that Iranian leaderships which is in the hands of Ayatollahs is a bit insane. If Israel wants to strike them to prevent them asserting power in the region, let them do it. Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world. They can handle it.

I don`t believe though US should get involved. As Ron Paul said, biggest threat to US security is economic implosion, which is what brought down the USSR. The biggest enemy US faces is economic collapse, so I think it`s best to put resources to work where they`re needed and not fight wars that don`t really benefit the country.