Tucker Carlson: "The US should preemptively strike, Iran should be annihilated".

[jmdrake]

There are libertarian socialists, but Maher is not one of those either since he`s pro government. He`s more like a confused liberal who only wants government involvement in certain areas.

Also, you can be libertarian and be supportive of an Israel strike against Iran. There`s no conflict there. Israel should be allowed to attack what they perceive as a threat. Israel is already engaged in a war with Hezbollah, which is Iran`s pet.

I personally think Iran`s leadership is totally crazy as they believe they play some role in making some prophecy come true. They`re also openly anti-Jewish.

I see nothing wrong with Tucker expressing this view. I fully agree with him.

Iran isn't crazy. Iran offered the U.S. a deal back in 2003 where they would give up their nuclear program, peaceful or otherwise, end hostility with Israel and even end any support with Hamas and Hezbollah (Israel helped create Hamas by the way) in exchange for a promise from the U.S. that we would not attack Iran.

The result? Bush ignored it and instead ramped up the "evil empire" and "regime change" rhetoric. This despite the fact that Iran had allied with the U.S. to drive out the Taliban.

For all the info on this (including MSM links) See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308140-How-Ron-Paul-could-smack-down-Iran-critics

What you may not know about Iran is that President Ahmadinejad is not in control of Iran's military. His bellicose rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. The religious leader of Iran is commander in chief. He was in control when, under former president Hatami, Iran was trying to play "nice" with the west, fighting against the Taliban and offering concessions through back channels, and he is in control now while Iran is acting "tough". What Iran is doing is totally sane. What is the one country on the "axis of evil" we haven't messed with? North Korea. Why? Because North Korea has nukes. What happened when Libya played nice, gave up their nuke program and any support for terrorism? We took it as a sign of weakness and a few years later arranged for the overthrow and literal rape of their leader by our own Al Qaeda linked militants. Iran would be crazy not to act crazy.

As for an attack by Israel, several former heads of the Israeli Mossad and Shin Bet have warned against that. Do you and Tucker Carlson know what's better for Israel than top Israeli intelligence advisers?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4143909,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/world/middleeast/09israel.html?_r=1

 

[jmdrake]

They really are anti-Semites though. Not sure how that can be denied.

You mean Iran hate's Arabs? That's a shocker.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

You mean Iran hate's Arabs? That's a shocker.

Those too

 

[jmdrake]

Sure he belongs. I don't completely share Ron's FP views exactly.

I believe the only use of the military should be national defense.

Now, nearly all of the time it should be defensive, but if intelligence says there is a probable, deadly threat of attack, I would not hesitate in supporting a preemptive war.

The problem is I don't have the intel about Iran, as I am a civilian. So Iran could be one of two ways.

If my FP was in place WW1, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq would never have happened.

Click here if you want solid intelligence on Iran:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308140-How-Ron-Paul-could-smack-down-Iran-critics

Iran isn't out to destroy Israel. Iran is out to protect Iran. Even Rick Santorum knows this.

 

[RickyJ]

People like Tucker Carlson cannot believe in God or they would not say such things.

God loves Iranians just as much as he does Americans.

 

[pcosmar]

They really are anti-Semites though. Not sure how that can be denied.

I have never seen that proved.
Especially since MOST Zionists are NOT Semites in the first place.

There is a Jewish population in Iran and even a member in the government.
The President has met and spoken with Jewish groups and leaders.

They do have some issues with the Zionist Government of Israel. I can't blame them there.

 

[anaconda]

Tucker can lead the charge. Unless he's still thinking about taking that game show host position.

 

[RickyJ]

They really are anti-Semites though. Not sure how that can be denied.

Ignorance presented as facts will not get you anywhere on Ron Paul forums man. We are not brain dead sheep here. Most "Jews" do not have a drop of Semite blood in them, but Palestinians have plenty of it.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I have never seen that proved.
Especially since MOST Zionists are NOT Semites in the first place.

Well he is a Holocaust denier.

I guess you could consider me a Zionist, in that I believe the Jews have a right to their God-given land. Land that is not even part of Iran.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ignorance presented as facts will not get you anywhere on Ron Paul forums man. We are not brain dead sheep here. Most "Jews" do not have a drop of Semite blood in them, but Palestinians have plenty of it.

Anti-Jew then. Either way the supreme leader is a violent racist. "Kill all Jews and annihilate Israel" says the Ayatollah.

 

[RickyJ]

Well he is a Holocaust denier.

I guess you could consider me a Zionist, in that I believe the Jews have a right to their God-given land. Land that is not even part of Iran.

Good for him! He has a right to deny it just like anyone should have a right to deny it. The people you are referring to as "Jews" and their "God given land" are not who you think they are. They are no more God's people than the Muslims are God's people and have no more right to that land than they do.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Good for him! He has a right to deny it just like anyone should have a right to deny it. The people you are referring to as "Jews" and their "God given land" are not who you think they are. They are no more God's people than the Muslims are God's people and have no more right to that land than they do.

He can deny it happened, and he would be wrong.

It seems you are not a Christian. Fine, but I will take the Scripture for what it says.

However I do not advocate U.S. involvement. It is between those in the region, and God.

 

[pcosmar]

Well he is a Holocaust denier.

I guess you could consider me a Zionist, in that I believe the Jews have a right to their God-given land. Land that is not even part of Iran.

You get more full of shit by the minute. No wonder you are supporting Romney.

Just how do a bunch of Godless (athiest) Mongols from Europe have and claim to Palestine?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

You get more full of shit by the minute. No wonder you are supporting Romney.

Just how do a bunch of Godless (athiest) Mongols from Europe have and claim to Palestine?

I am supporting Paul.

Mongols, hmmm, pretty sure that they got pushed back and never reached Europe. Well I know that Jews from all over the world happen to be returning to Israel.

 

[jmdrake]

Anti-Jew then. Either way the supreme leader is a violent racist. "Kill all Jews and annihilate Israel" says the Ayatollah.

Link please. I think you just made that up. If Iran wanted to "kill all Jews" they could start with those in the Iranian parliament. And annihilation of Israel would include annihilation of Arab Muslim and Christians living in Israel. The previous Ayatollah (now dead) called for the regime in Israel to be removed. Guess what? America has called for the regime in Iran to be removed. Regardless Iran's previous president offered to make peace with Israel, among other things, in exchange for a promise that the U.S. wouldn't attack Iran. Bush rejected that offer. I gave you the links. Read them.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

Iran isn't crazy. Iran offered the U.S. a deal back in 2003 where they would give up their nuclear program, peaceful or otherwise, end hostility with Israel and even end any support with Hamas and Hezbollah (Israel helped create Hamas by the way) in exchange for a promise from the U.S. that we would not attack Iran.

The result? Bush ignored it and instead ramped up the "evil empire" and "regime change" rhetoric. This despite the fact that Iran had allied with the U.S. to drive out the Taliban.

For all the info on this (including MSM links) See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308140-How-Ron-Paul-could-smack-down-Iran-critics

What you may not know about Iran is that President Ahmadinejad is not in control of Iran's military. His bellicose rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. The religious leader of Iran is commander in chief. He was in control when, under former president Hatami, Iran was trying to play "nice" with the west, fighting against the Taliban and offering concessions through back channels, and he is in control now while Iran is acting "tough". What Iran is doing is totally sane. What is the one country on the "axis of evil" we haven't messed with? North Korea. Why? Because North Korea has nukes. What happened when Libya played nice, gave up their nuke program and any support for terrorism? We took it as a sign of weakness and a few years later arranged for the overthrow and literal rape of their leader by our own Al Qaeda linked militants. Iran would be crazy not to act crazy.

As for an attack by Israel, several former heads of the Israeli Mossad and Shin Bet have warned against that. Do you and Tucker Carlson know what's better for Israel than top Israeli intelligence advisers?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4143909,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/world/middleeast/09israel.html?_r=1

No it is just the neoconservative wing of the Ron Paul movement voicing their thirst for blood and war, so they can tuck themselves in at night without worry that the Iranians are gonna get a nuclear weapon like most other countries have.

Their Americans, of course they are morally superior to any other citizenry on the planet (yet they have elected pyschopath politicians whom they willfully allowed to run the country into the ground in the past 40 years, and murder millions of innocents; remember these are the most sophisticated and civilized people that exist!)

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Link please. I think you just made that up. If Iran wanted to "kill all Jews" they could start with those in the Iranian parliament. And annihilation of Israel would include annihilation of Arab Muslim and Christians living in Israel. The previous Ayatollah (now dead) called for the regime in Israel to be removed. Guess what? America has called for the regime in Iran to be removed. Regardless Iran's previous president offered to make peace with Israel, among other things, in exchange for a promise that the U.S. wouldn't attack Iran. Bush rejected that offer. I gave you the links. Read them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ays-legal-religious-justification-attack.html

I don't buy the link to that document either. They say it was from a Swiss diplomat, and for all I know someone in their basement created it.

Also any serious nation would make more than one attempt to make negotiations with such a deal, and more than just a FAX.

 

[pcosmar]

I am supporting Paul.

I can't tell.

The GOP can win without Paul supporters but not if he runs third party, in which case Obama gets reelected and things continue head over heels into destruction.

Most experts agree we can get out of our debt situation given our status and Romney shows he is interested in doing that as opposed to Obama.

So, I can be "NOBP", but then my chances of survival drop much lower.

Mongols, hmmm, pretty sure that they got pushed back and never reached Europe. Well I know that Jews from all over the world happen to be returning to Israel.

You might want to educate yourself before you make a bigger fool of yourself.



You can research it further,, but it is a good start.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Also, you can be libertarian and be supportive of an Israel strike against Iran. There`s no conflict there. Israel should be allowed to attack what they perceive as a threat. Israel is already engaged in a war with Hezbollah, which is Iran`s pet.

Is Israel not a threat to Iran? By that logic, you can be a libertarian and be supportive of an Iranian strike on Israel.

The correct stance is that you can be a libertarian and hold no opinion on a strike in either direction. If it's a nuclear strike, the correct libertarian stance is to oppose it.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

You might want to educate yourself before you make a bigger fool of yourself.



You can research it further,, but it is a good start.

Do you really want me to buy something from some BS conspiracy theorist?

Yes, I have heard of this crap, and I buy what most historians say over these conspirizing, 2bit blog sources. The educated do not buy into these shaky ideas.

Do you really take peoples word on this revisionism?