[tubez] Rand Paul talks about Ron and Newt on Hannity Radio (12/08/11)

[AuH20]

"t’s astonishing that the authorization passed by the committee mentions the United Nations dozens of times, yet does not mention the Constitution once. Congress has allowed itself to be bypassed completely, even though much is made of the President’s generosity in "consulting" legislators about the war. The real negotiations took place between the Bush administration and the UN, replacing debate in the people’s house. By transferring its authority to declare war to the President and ultimately the UN, Congress not only violates the Constitution, but also disenfranchises the American electorate.
I don’t believe in resolutions that cite the UN as authority for our military actions."
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul50.html

Rand should have said something about citing U.N. as authority in those resolutions.

You don't think for one second that Rand couldn't rip apart Hannity's poorly constructed concerns for his own self-amusement? Hannity is an intellectual low brow who's philosophy is based off a series of methodical sound bytes. However, there is no tactical advantage to be gained for burning down this particular bridge at this juncture in time.

 

[AuH20]

But its reality that "it's a communal fund that will be spent anyway". And why shouldn't some of those tax dollars go 'back home'. It's at least better than it just getting sucked up into the money pit that is Washington D.C.. I'm sure most taxpayers would agree.

But not when these tax dollars 'boomerang' back to some shady developer or some shrimp processing plant. Earmarks really have an unethical taint that surrounds them for obvious reasons. Like I said, I don't fault Ron that much for signing off on them. The GOP basically abandoned him and left him on a proverbial island in Galveston. He survived for the better as exhibited by this movement.

Besides, we are talking about literally 0.05% of the Federal budget. It is a complete non-issue; a talking-point for media manipulation artists.

Completely agree that it's miniscule.

 

[Publicani]

You're right. That would have been better. So, he doesn't always have the perfect rebuttal at his fingertips. So what? Could you be doing better than Rand? If so, get out there and do it. But, what the heck is with running down one of the only people in our government who is fighting for our liberty?

My point is that Rand came unprepared or unwilling to help his father. It is a big deal. He missed a great opportunity. Hannity's listeners, who are not often exposed to Ron, became more convinced that Hannity is right and Ron Paul is wrong on foreign policy - his own son kind of admitted that. And the point that Hannity made multiple times that Rand lied with his "breaking news" didn't help.

He-he-he and ha-ha-ha don't make a brilliant politician, preparation and logic does.

 

[Dave39168]

You don't think for one second that Rand couldn't rip apart Hannity's poor constructed concerns for his own self-amusement? Hannity is an intellectual low brow who's philosophy is based off a series of methodical sound bytes. However, there is no tactical advantage to be gained for burning down this particular bridge at this juncture in time.

EXACTLY!

Rand was brilliant

as someone implied: verbal kung fu!

 

[Publicani]

People, please remember that those brochures that were mailed out, listed this place as a resource for people to find out more about Ron Paul. That means that this very minute, there could be Iowa Christian conservatives reading on this site.

Please clean up your language, lest you run them away from here screaming and away from Ron Paul too.

Right, we all should shut up. Maybe Putin also reads this this very minute. And terrorists. And Hitler.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Right, we all should shut up. Maybe Putin also reads this this very minute. And terrorists. And Hitler.

Are you saying that it is extremely difficult for you to construct a sentence without using a curse word? Interesting.

 

[Publicani]

Are you saying that it is extremely difficult for you to construct a sentence without using a curse word? Interesting.

Is "shut up" a curse word?

 

[timreichstein]

I liked how Rand worked Sean. Rand has him, and other talk show personalities in his back pocket right now. Is he toeing the line on foreign policy a bit?? Yes, but I believe he is alot closer to his old man on foreign policy, than he is with Hannity and co. I am completely behind Ron for 2012, but if Obama wins, Rand is going to be a frontrunner for 2016 based on our support, and his perceived electability with the MSM.

 

[freefromchains]

Why do people here want Rand to pick fights. Yes Hannity is a douche, but we can't have enemies everywhere, especially in the GOP Establishment.

 

[Publicani]

Why do people here want Rand to pick fights. Yes Hannity is a douche, but we can't have enemies everywhere, especially in the GOP Establishment.

It's called principles. We have too many agreeable politicians. Why do we need another one?

Have you tried to support Ron Paul among core Republicans or Democrats? It's often unpleasant, and I would prefer not to. But I do it. I fight for Rand's dad regardless of what minor points I would have got if I didn't. Why can't he?

I might vote for Rand in '16 if nobody else worthy runs, but I'll probably stay home, or vote for some third party.

 

[gls]

But not when these tax dollars 'boomerang' back to some shady developer or some shrimp processing plant. Earmarks really have an unethical taint that surrounds them for obvious reasons. Like I said, I don't fault Ron that much for signing off on them. The GOP basically abandoned him and left him on a proverbial island in Galveston. He survived for the better as exhibited by this movement.

Yes the process definitely leaves plenty of room open for corruption but if you think about it is better than the money going to huge bureaucracies, where it will be used to further grow government and infringe on freedom. At least this way the money usually ends up in the private sector and there is some level of scrutiny and accountability. I would not be sad to see earmarking end, but only as part of a much larger overall of the federal budget (and monetary system).

 

[AuH20]

It's called principles. We have too many agreeable politicians. Why do we need another one?

Have you tried to support Ron Paul among core Republicans or Democrats? It's often unpleasant, and I would prefer not to. But I do it. I fight for Rand's dad regardless of what minor points I would have got if I didn't. Why can't he?

I might vote for Rand in '16 if nobody else worthy runs, but I'll probably stay home, or vote for some third party.

But how do you do it in a manner that doesn't make Hannity look like a total ignoramus to his listeners? You have to pick your battles carefully. If it was Rush's show, I'd say go for it, but Hannity has been very accommodating to Rand. I don't think that the potential satisfaction of a dress-down exceeds the long-term usefulness of this medium.

 

[Eric21ND]

I feel dumber every time I hear Hannity's voice. He's not an authority on anything.

 

[AuH20]

I feel dumber every time I hear Hannity's voice. He's not an authority on anything.

Hannity's stellar career is testament to hard work and persistence. I'll give him that. Besides that, he's really the most boring and uninteresting tv personality out there.

 

[Publicani]

But how do you do it in a manner that doesn't make Hannity look like a total ignoramus to his listeners?

How do you bring the troops home without Iraqi killing each other? How do you close the EPA without people dying from dirty air?

 

[Fredom101]

Hannity is obviously in love with Newt. Hannity loves him some corrupt neocon.

 

[RM918]

How do you bring the troops home without Iraqi killing each other? How do you close the EPA without people dying from dirty air?

You assume either of those two things had any positive effects on their respective situations to begin with.

 

[mstrmac1]

Hannity imo is the lowest of the lowest of the neo-con's.

And Rand- thats exactly how you play the game... ! what a genius this guy is. He just duped Hannity! Love it!

 

[gls]

Hannity is obviously in love with Newt. Hannity loves him some corrupt neocon.

Why do these Republicans think Newt would have a prayer of beating Obama? Paul would at least be able to compete among independents -- the people who decide the general election.

 

[kusok]

I think some of you mistake Rand's smart approach for weakness. Rand is getting the morons to agree with him first, this is how he gets them to like him, then he steers them in his direction, very effective, and tactically much better than standing your ground firmly and thus not really getting morons on your side. You want people to like you? Agree with them!