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Paul voted "yes" on the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorizes the construction of an additional 700 miles of double-layered fencing between the U.S and Mexico.


Dumbest law ever.

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Congressman Paul advocates a strict non-interventionist foreign policy that avoids entangling alliances.


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Paul opposes virtually all federal interference with the market process. He supports the abolition of the income tax, most Cabinet departments and the Federal Reserve.


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In many public speeches Paul has called for the return to hard currency through re-introduction of the gold standard, the effect of which would result in the United States Government making large purchases of gold and issuing currency only to the extent of its ownership of gold. Ron Paul supports the gold standard to prevent inflation. [13][14]


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During a speech in New Hampshire in February of 2007 Paul called for a repeal of the 17th amendment,[21] the same that allows for direct election of U.S. Senators. Instead Paul would have members of state legislatures vote for U.S. Senators as they had done under Article One Section 3.


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In 2002, he spoke before the Congress in opposition to campaign finance reforms that place any restrictions on citizens and businesses making campaign contributions to the candidate of their choice.


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Since the Constitution does not enumerate or delegate to Congress the authority to ban or regulate drugs in general, he opposes federal participation in the drug war.


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Paul believes that juries deserve the status of tribunals, and that jurers have the right to judge the law as well as the facts of the case.


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He has been criticized at times for his voting record, being the only dissenting vote against giving Pope John Paul II, Rosa Parks and Mother Teresa the Congressional Gold Medal.


Need some help explaining why RP is right:p
 
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Paul voted "yes" on the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorizes the construction of an additional 700 miles of double-layered fencing between the U.S and Mexico.


Dumbest law ever.

In one of his first debates, Ron said the fence was the least pertinent reason he voted for it. It was the only tool available to him to force the government to take the problem seriously, and a shot across the Senate bow to tell them amnesty wasn't going to happen.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=478

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Congressman Paul advocates a strict non-interventionist foreign policy that avoids entangling alliances.

Do we really need to explain this?

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Paul opposes virtually all federal interference with the market process. He supports the abolition of the income tax, most Cabinet departments and the Federal Reserve.

Again, do we need to explain this? The federal government has no authority to do ANY of this!

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In many public speeches Paul has called for the return to hard currency through re-introduction of the gold standard, the effect of which would result in the United States Government making large purchases of gold and issuing currency only to the extent of its ownership of gold. Ron Paul supports the gold standard to prevent inflation. [13][14]

He wants to legalize gold and silver as legal tender. That's different than pegging the current fiat system to gold a la the defunct Breton Woods agreement.

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During a speech in New Hampshire in February of 2007 Paul called for a repeal of the 17th amendment,[21] the same that allows for direct election of U.S. Senators. Instead Paul would have members of state legislatures vote for U.S. Senators as they had done under Article One Section 3.

The 17th amendment killed states rights. The federal government was supposed to be an administration for the common benefit of the states. Do you think the federal government would have been allowed to have a tax rate EXCEEDING state tax rates had the 17th not been passed?

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In 2002, he spoke before the Congress in opposition to campaign finance reforms that place any restrictions on citizens and businesses making campaign contributions to the candidate of their choice.

McCain-Feingold should have been called the Incumbent Entrenchment Act. It shouldn't be surprising why this passed. It's also unconstitutional.

It's campaign finance laws which make an independent run impossible without first being a billionaire.

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Since the Constitution does not enumerate or delegate to Congress the authority to ban or regulate drugs in general, he opposes federal participation in the drug war.

And?

The Drug War has done more to eviscerate our rights than the War on Terrorism!

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Paul believes that juries deserve the status of tribunals, and that jurers have the right to judge the law as well as the facts of the case.

It's called the Magna Carta. Look it up.

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He has been criticized at times for his voting record, being the only dissenting vote against giving Pope John Paul II, Rosa Parks and Mother Teresa the Congressional Gold Medal.

Not to mention Reagan!

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=870

Ron has also spoken on this issue many times, like his interview with Wolf Blitzer.

Need some help explaining why RP is right:p

One has to wonder if you've listened to the man.
 
Yeah, you definately need to research "WHY" he votes on everything. When I first heard about him, I thought I disagreed with him on nearly everything. Then I saw him in a few debates and started to read some of his writings and realized that he isn't necessarily AGAINST everything he votes against the federal government doing, he just realizes that according to the constitution it isn't the federal government's job, and that in most cases it gives them too much power or rips the tax payers off, etc etc.

Once you understand him, there is no disagreeing.
 
It's still a stupid law. That's like voting for a law to put ***s in a concentration camp to get out the message that you don't think *** marriage should be legalized. Maybe that's a bad analogy, but you know what I mean. It's extreme and doesn't accomplish the purpose he intended.

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The US has a responsibility to intervene in some instances. Non-interventionist foreign policy is what allowed Hitler to rise to power and start WWII.

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Of course it has the authority, and if it doesn't, then it should. Keynesian economics, google it.

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I will admit that I have no idea what the Breton Woods agreement is. However, switching to a system of using precious metals as money, if that is really what he wants, it an even dumber idea than just using the gold standard.

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I could care less about "state's rights." States aren't individuals. The last thing we need is politicians electing other politicians. The more opportunity we have to allow the direct will of the people to be represented (at all levels of government), the better.

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Campaign finance laws fight corruption and make it harder (although, of course, still not impossible) for politicians to be "bought." And it is perfectly possible for independents to raise money if they aren't rich. It just can't come from rich individuals with an agenda or corporate lobbyists.

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If you are referring to your right to sell, purchase, and/or consume addictive, dangerous, mind-altering substances, you will get no sympathy from me.

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Yes, America should be governed by a document signed by the king of a different nation, nearly 800 years ago.



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Tell him to enjoy his kool-aid, Ron Paul people are interested in TRUTH, not the canned lies of McCain and Fox. To wit - that the rise of Adolph Hitler was caused by a non-interventionist foreign policy is not merely a violation of Godwin;s Law, but an outright lie.

The rise of Hitler was enabled by the INTERVENTIONIST policies of western nations against Germany following WW1. The people of Germany were desperate for someone who would stand up to the embargoes and restrictions that had been placed on their nation.

But please, tell him not to allow the TRUTH to stand in the way of decent propaganda. Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid and when America collapses into chaos and ruin, he can look into the nearest mirror and quite readily point fingers at who is to blame.
 
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Paul believes that juries deserve the status of tribunals, and that jurers have the right to judge the law as well as the facts of the case.

This is already the case... its called jury nullification. Juries are not bound to return verdicts in accordance with the law. Essentially they have the power to decide whether they wish to ignore what they may deem an unjust law. If I remember right their are RP videos where he discusses this.
 
Tell him to enjoy his kool-aid, Ron Paul people are interested in TRUTH, not the canned lies of McCain and Fox. To wit - that the rise of Adolph Hitler was caused by a non-interventionist foreign policy is not merely a violation of Godwin;s Law, but an outright lie.

The rise of Hitler was enabled by the INTERVENTIONIST policies of western nations against Germany following WW1. The people of Germany were desperate for someone who would stand up to the embargoes and restrictions that had been placed on their nation.

But please, tell him not to allow the TRUTH to stand in the way of decent propaganda. Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid and when America collapses into chaos and ruin, he can look into the nearest mirror and quite readily point fingers at who is to blame.

Yeah definitely say that l;ast bit. Being a pompous dick is sure to win him over.
 
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Non-interventionist foreign policy is what allowed Hitler to rise to power and start WWII.

No, the correct answer is "President George Bush's Grandfather", yes, "Prescott Bush" is the correct answer, and he was charged with trading with the enemy for, well, the financing of Hitler's regime and providing them with essential military equipment well after the war with the US began.

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It's still a stupid law. That's like voting for a law to put ***s in a concentration camp to get out the message that you don't think *** marriage should be legalized. Maybe that's a bad analogy, but you know what I mean. It's extreme and doesn't accomplish the purpose he intended.

That's beyond a bad analogy, it's a non sequitur. The reason Ron Paul voted for that bill was because it also contained measures to end the availability of social programs for illegal aliens. Ron Paul has publicly stated on several occasions that he disagrees with the building of the wall, and that even it built it will accomplish nothing.

Ron Paul's platform on ending illegal immigration is centered on ending the availability of welfare and publicly funded social programs for illegal immigrants, which provisions that bill also contained, and which provisions were the only reason he voted in favor of the bill.

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The US has a responsibility to intervene in some instances. Non-interventionist foreign policy is what allowed Hitler to rise to power and start WWII.

Addressed above. The US has no responsibility to use force of arms to intervene in any situation in which 1) the US Congress does not declare war.

And Just War doctrine denies the just cause of any war which is not the response of a direct attack or imminent attack upon the US and her direct interests.

Interventionism involves a lot more than simply force of arms and warfare. Interventionism CAUSED the rise of Adolph Hitler, and if not for historical revisionism, then more people would know that. Likewise American interventionism in the 50's (specifically the overthrowing of the Iranian gov't and the installation of the Shah) CAUSED the Middle East's hostility towards the US, and likewise interventionism in CREATING Al Qaida in an effort to combat the USSR in Afghanistan CREATED Al Qaida in the first place.

The concept that non-interventionism created Hitler is just propagandistic nonsense from the same man who thought that Putin was the president of Germany.

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Of course it has the authority, and if it doesn't, then it should. Keynesian economics, google it.

Keynesian economics has been universally debunked, and is the cause of the onset of our current depression and fiscal collapse of the US Dollar. Even Allan Greenspan is not a Keynesian -- he bounces back and forth between Monatarism and the Austrian School.

The only people left who uphold Keynesian economics are the big government interests who stand to profit from the fiscal irresponsibility of the "broken window" theory of economic development.

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I will admit that I have no idea what the Breton Woods agreement is. However, switching to a system of using precious metals as money, if that is really what he wants, it an even dumber idea than just using the gold standard.

Not switching, legalizing. Ron Paul's plan is to revoke the tax on hard commodities such ad gold and silver, and legalize their use as a COMPETING currency, then allowing the free market to choose for themselves which currency is stronger.

As it is, the Federal Reserve is headed headlong towards bankruptcy, and the legalization of competing currency will allow Americans to get out of the collapsing dollar before it takes them down with it.

The long range plan then, is to allow Americans to remove themselves from a failing system (which we are currently obligated to remain in by law) and then allowing the "best currency system to win."

This will allow the Federal Reserve system to go bankrupt SLOWLY (as opposed to quickly, like it is doing now) by removing pressure, and allowing Americans enough time to extract themselves from it before it collapses completely.

As it stands, we have no other option, and are required by LAW to remain within an unconstitutional monetary system that is failing quickly, and we have nowhere to go to escape the coming financial ruin of depression and hyperinflation.

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I could care less about "state's rights." States aren't individuals. The last thing we need is politicians electing other politicians. The more opportunity we have to allow the direct will of the people to be represented (at all levels of government), the better.

States are not individuals, the are supposed to be sovereign nations unified by a common defense. Have you even read the Constitution?

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

If something that the Federal Government does, does not fall into one of those seven categories, then it is in violation of the purpose and intent of the founding document of this nation.

And besides, if You are truly opposed to State's Rights, then you should be leading a movement to revoke the 9th and 10th Amendments.

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Campaign finance laws fight corruption and make it harder (although, of course, still not impossible) for politicians to be "bought." And it is perfectly possible for independents to raise money if they aren't rich. It just can't come from rich individuals with an agenda or corporate lobbyists.

McCain Feingold did nothing of the sort. McCain Feingold's main purpose was to prevent coordination between an official campaign and any grassroots effort. In the last 15-20 years, we have been subject to a whole hose of misnamed bills. These include the "Patriot Act" which is anything BUT patriotic, and the McCain Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill, which if anything INCREASED the access of corruption to our current political system.

John McCain is a skilled propagandist, and was able to sell the concept of creating a bill that PROTECTED lobbyists and special interests, RESTRICTED the ability of grassroots efforts to work with an official campaign, and directly VIOLATED the first amendment by restricting speech on the part of 'free' individuals, by tagging it with the NAME of "campaign Finance Reform."

Do you likewise believe that if America produced a bill stating that "all non-evangelical Christians should be gassed to death" that it should be supported so long as we NAME it the "Religious Freedom Protection Act"?

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If you are referring to your right to sell, purchase, and/or consume addictive, dangerous, mind-altering substances, you will get no sympathy from me.

This has nothing to do with someones right to buy and sell anything, it has everything to do with the Constitutional limits on Government power. If you think the Federal Government should be involved in dictating what people are and are not allowed to consume, then you should be required to do it legally, via an amendment to the US Constitution. At least during the Prohibition of Alcohol, our politicians respected the Constitution enough to do it with a Constitutional Amendment. The way it is being done today is ILLEGAL. And where exactly does it end? If our government can ban cannabis because it is harmful and addictive, then what about McDonalds? Chocolate? Ice Cream?

The reality is, that the Federal government has no business regulating what people are or are not of their own free will allowed to consume.

The effect of the war on drugs, on the ground, is truly frightening.

Our prisons are bursting at the seams filled with non-violent offenders. Crack dealers on the streets are making outrageous profits and selling poison. We have spent literally hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money to stop the flow of drugs, which are MORE available today than when the war on drugs started.

Just like in the 1930's, the prohibition of alcohol CREATED bootlegging, revenuers, and the mob, violent criminals like Al Capone and violent crimes like the St Valentines Day Massacre, today prohibition of drugs has CREATED a vast criminal infrastructure and gangs, like the Bloods, the Crips, and MS-13.

The War on Drugs has been an utter failure on all points. Hundreds of Billions have been spent, and the drugs they sought to prevent are more available than ever. Violent crime is rising in every corner of the nation around the illegal drug trade, and people are dying in the streets each and every day, usually including innocent bystanders.

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Yes, America should be governed by a document signed by the king of a different nation, nearly 800 years ago.



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America SHOULD be governed by a document called the US Constitution, which the vast majority of Washington DC has forgotten about. I, on the other hand, took an oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and I will take that oath seriously until the day I die. I am also willing to give my last breath and last drop of blood to uphold that oath I took as a US Marine, and that is why Ron Paul is the ONLY Presidential candidate I can in good conscience support.

We MUST restore a respect for the US Constitution in America and in Washington DC. Without that, America will fail, and is well on her way to failing already.
 
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Yeah definitely say that l;ast bit. Being a pompous dick is sure to win him over.

Truth is truth. When I was out canvassing, I ran into people who said that the Patriot Act was Big Brother, but we needed it, and we needed it to be even stronger than it was (McCain supporters). I also ran into people who claimed that if Jesus Christ was here today, He would be in Iraq carrying a rifle (Huckabee supporters).

At some point, you just have to recognize that someone is an idiot, turn heel and walk away.

Sorry, but truth is truth and facts are facts.
 
Truth is truth. When I was out canvassing, I ran into people who said that the Patriot Act was Big Brother, but we needed it, and we needed it to be even stronger than it was (McCain supporters). I also ran into people who claimed that if Jesus Christ was here today, He would be in Iraq carrying a rifle (Huckabee supporters).

At some point, you just have to recognize that someone is an idiot, turn heel and walk away.

Sorry, but truth is truth and facts are facts.

Truth is truth and facts are facts, but if the manner in which they are delivered serves no other purpose than to antagonize, than we're not talking about facts anymore.
 
Truth is truth and facts are facts, but if the manner in which they are delivered serves no other purpose than to antagonize, than we're not talking about facts anymore.

We have a fine American tradition of ridiculing idiots whose ideas would destroy us. If America had HALF the backbone she had in the 18th century, then people like Sean Hannity would not have merely had a snowball tossed at him, he would have been tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a rail.

I daresay that one of the reasons the Ron Paul movement failed to gain traction amongst the electorate is because we were too timid.
 
We have a fine American tradition of ridiculing idiots whose ideas would destroy us. If America had HALF the backbone she had in the 18th century, then people like Sean Hannity would not have merely had a snowball tossed at him, he would have been tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a rail.

I daresay that one of the reasons the Ron Paul movement failed to gain traction amongst the electorate is because we were too timid.

There's a big difference between being adamant and being an asshole. When people are attacked they don't listen, they attack back.
 
Well, I'd bet if you were the guy being tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a rail, you would say that the people who did it were assholes.

On the one hand, we had way too many antisemites and white supremacists and conspiracy nuts, and on the other hand the people who weren't any of those were too afraid to stand up and make themselves heard.

I'm through pretending. I will treat an idiot like an idiot. You can like it or hate it, but I for one learn from the mistakes of the past.
 
I believe it was in the "Jesus Camp" thread where we were advised to stop treating the brainwashed as retards ;)

I love my mom, but... holy *k, she insists that Iran poses a significant threat to America if they were to pursue nuclear energy?
 
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I will admit that I have no idea what the Breton Woods agreement is. However, switching to a system of using precious metals as money, if that is really what he wants, it an even dumber idea than just using the gold standard.

Typical Roger Hedgecock-type response. They tell you the Gold Standard or trading with Hard Currency is a dumb idea, but never explain reasons why.

They tell you it's dumb hoping you would just go away.

Gold and Silver put spending limits on the government. Hard assets are products of the marketplace, not empty promises whose fulfillment gets passed on to future generations. They are the keys to lasting prosperity and confidence. How is that so dumb?
 
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