Trump’s Latest Tariff Plan Just Replaces One Tax with Another

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Trump’s Latest Tariff Plan Just Replaces One Tax with Another


Mises Wire
Ryan McMaken
10/24/2024



Donald Trump on Monday floated the idea that he might seek to replace the federal income tax with federal taxes on imports—also known as tariffs.

This is potentially a good idea, but not for economic reasons. There is no economic reason why tariffs are any better or any worse than the income tax. A tariff, which is just a tax, is no less compulsory than the income tax. A tariff is no less destructive to private wealth and capital than the income tax. Contrary to various protectionist myths, Americans pay tariffs like they pay any other tax imposed by the US government.


[Read More: “How to Look at Tariffs“ by Murray Rothbard]


On the other hand, a tariff isn’t necessarily worse than an income tax. Yes, tariffs act to diminish trade, and that’s a bad thing. But income taxes do the same. When people pay taxes of any kind—whether they are income taxes or tariffs, people have less money to spend on—or invest in—everything, regardless of where it is made or located.

The only reason why it might be a good thing to “replace” income taxes with tariffs—note that we’re not being offered any significant cuts in taxes overall—is that income taxes have always been a way for the federal government to engage in wholesale violations of individual privacy. Since the legalization of the income tax in 1913, the federal government has claimed the power to monitor every wage earner’s income. Theoretically, replacing income-tax revenue with tariff revenue would reduce the number of Americans who must report all their financial affairs to the federal government every year. That’s not an economic argument, it’s a political one, and maybe that’s reason enough to bother abolishing the income tax, even if something else replaces it. In economic terms, though, let’s not pretend replacing one tax with another makes anyone more free or better off.


The Problem with Tax Reform

All this talk about “replacing” one tax with another means we’re talking about tax “reform,” not tax abolition. Every now and then, we encounter various types of tax “reform” such as replacing the progressive income tax with a flat tax, or replacing income taxes with a VAT tax or national sales tax. There is rarely any reason to get very excited about tax reform, because it usually just rearranges the tax burden without endangering the regime’s ability to collect huge amounts of revenue.

As with most tax reform plans, the Trump proposal to replace one tax with another is based on the premise that overall tax revenue should be “revenue neutral.” That is, the amount of tax revenue extracted from Americans will be more or less the same, and the American state will continue to have many trillions of dollars to spend each year. That’s not exactly a great blow to state power, nor does it offer any sort of boon to economic activity or the standard of living for ordinary Americans.


Read More: “The Myth of Tax Reform“ by Murray Rothbard


Moreover, when it comes to Trump’s proposal, the details of what we mean by “income tax” matter a lot. When Trump says he wants to abolish “the income tax,” its unclear if he just means the graduated income tax, or all taxes on income. After all, all wage earning Americans pay enormous amounts of taxes in the form of payroll taxes. Payroll taxes are income taxes, and in order to collect them, the government demands access to the details of everyone’s earnings.

So, any benefits in terms of added privacy and freedom will only be achieved if all taxes on income are abolished. That means no graduated income tax, no payroll taxes at all, and the abolition of all the machinery of the IRS.

If Trump only abolishes the graduated income tax and replaces it with high tariffs, then our position is hardly improved. The federal government still monitors all our earnings, and we get to pay a lot more for basic goods. That’s the sort of tax reform that is not worth caring about.

For argument’s sake, though, let’s say Trump abolishes all income taxes and replaces them with tariffs—which would exactly “replace” the revenues formerly obtained through income taxes. In terms of financial privacy, this would be a good thing for our everyday lives. Regular people who are not directly involved in international trade would generally not have to worry about the endless paperwork that comes with income taxes. That’s all to the good. Economically speaking, though, the “reform” makes no difference. Tariffs would still be sucking trillions of dollars out of the private economy in a way similar to income taxes.

Moreover, with tariffs rising to much higher levels, efforts to avoid tariffs will become much more widespread, and smuggling will become an occasion for much federal handwringing. As federal bureaucrats do now with income taxes, there will be demands for more taxpayer money to staff agents to enforce tariffs mandates.

Again, this isn’t necessarily any better or worse than the situation with income taxes, but these facts are reminders that all taxes require enforcement, and tariffs are hardly some kind of kindler, gentler tax.


What Real Tax Reform Would Look Like

No revenue-neutral will ever make any real difference to the size and scope of the state, however.

The only change that would make a real difference is a program of sizable cuts to both taxes and spending. Tax cuts alone will never make us better off because tax cuts without spending cuts only means bigger deficits. Bigger deficits mean more inflationary monetary policy and more price inflation. Tax cuts without spending cuts mean the tax burden is merely shifted from nominal taxes to the de facto tax of price inflation.

If a politician claims to be a “tax cutter,” he is not to be taken seriously unless he’s also for cutting spending. When Trump rearranges tax programs or cuts taxes while also signing off on more deficit spending, he is really raising everyone’s inflation tax. No tax “reform” changes this.



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In history:

2012: When "republicans" supported "Flip-Flop" Mitt.

2024: When "republicans" supported "Bait and Switch" Trump.
 
You dorks must really really really hate tariffs if you'd rather keep the income tax than get any more tariffs lol
 
What are you talking about?

All the article says is tax is tax.

Which is a lie.
The Income tax is not avoidable the way a tariff is and it's a 4th and 5th amendment violation, it also allows much finer government manipulation of behavior.
And Tariffs build up our economy and make everyone better off in the long run.
 
Which is a lie.
The Income tax is not avoidable the way a tariff is and it's a 4th and 5th amendment violation, it also allows much finer government manipulation of behavior.
And Tariffs build up our economy and make everyone better off in the long run.

If you're really interested in "better taxes" why are you supporting Trump? He's responsible for more than half of the current inflation, and that's the single most regressive tax of all.
 
If you're really interested in "better taxes" why are you supporting Trump? He's responsible for more than half of the current inflation, and that's the single most regressive tax of all.

Nonsense, congress, the deepstate, and the global cabal are responsible for any from his administration and Biden is responsible for far more than half.
And his plans will vastly reduce or eliminate it.

Camela (who you are helping by attacking Trump) will set off hyperinflation.
 
Nonsense, congress, the deepstate, and the global cabal are responsible for any from his administration and Biden is responsible for far more than half.
And his plans will vastly reduce or eliminate it.

Camela (who you are helping by attacking Trump) will set off hyperinflation.

Don't worry, most of the libertarians out there are getting the message.

In this case, it was Kamala doing a campaign event with Liz Cheney.. Dave finally had enough a said "fuck it"

 
Dave finally had enough a said "$#@! it"

Do you ever have anything to say but, this celebrity thinks this and that celebrity thinks that?

Tariff tax, man. Does your bosom buddy Dave have anything to say about that?
 
Tariffs are slightly less destructive than income taxes, so it's a small step in the right direction. But without a reduction in spending this will not be possible. And let's be honest, Congress will never go along with it, nor will they go along with any reduction in spending.

Let's also not forget that Trump was the one who started all of the inflation in 2020 with Biden making it much worse.
 
Do you ever have anything to say but, this celebrity thinks this and that celebrity thinks that?

Tariff tax, man. Does your bosom buddy Dave have anything to say about that?

Lol, yes he does. He goes on Timcast periodically and argues against Trump's policies and has always said he won't vote for him. Not to mention he has his own show, I'm sure he has plenty to say on that.

And... celebrity?? If he had run for President in the Libertarian party, he would have won handily. That's not just a random "celebrity", lol... you have a really weird way of framing shit.
 
And... celebrity?? If he had run for President in the Libertarian party, he would have won handily. That's not just a random "celebrity", lol... you have a really weird way of framing $#@!.

Either that, or you have a very common way of justifying not thinking for yourself.
 
Either that, or you have a very common way of justifying not thinking for yourself.

I supported Trump before he did, he literally just finally came out yesterday and said he was pulling the trigger.. even then I think he said "probably", but he titled his own episode that he was, so I'm gonna say he is. Before that he's been on your side the whole time..

He's just giving Mises libertarians a fake "because" to vote for Trump, or to be vocal that they are doing so, because he knows it will be a lot worse under Kamala. Also said he is going to continue to criticize Trump when he's wrong. All totally reasonable.
 
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What are you talking about?

All the article says is tax is tax.

Oh wow, you summarized this entire article into one sentence. He should have just written what you just wrote, and you would have saved him 15 paragraphs that apparently don't add any value or additional meaning to the subject, because as you so succinctly put it, a tax is indeed a tax. If that was his only point in writing this article, gee, well, this whole thread seems like a waste of time.
 
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I got an idea. Let’s do the tariffs first. Then we can work on eliminating the income tax afterwards.
 
Tariffs are slightly less destructive than income taxes, so it's a small step in the right direction. But without a reduction in spending this will not be possible. And let's be honest, Congress will never go along with it, nor will they go along with any reduction in spending.

Let's also not forget that Trump was the one who started all of the inflation in 2020 with Biden making it much worse.

Yea it's pretty obvious it's not going to go anywhere, but I'll take whatever verbal wins I can get at this point
 
Yea it's pretty obvious it's not going to go anywhere, but I'll take whatever verbal wins I can get at this point

Historically, every time there is "republican" win, I always lose.

When Trump rearranges tax programs or cuts taxes while also signing off on more deficit spending, he is really raising everyone’s inflation tax.

NSA passed by the 80th Republican congress, CIA head George H Bush, FBI under Coolidge, TSA under George W Bush, Nixon and the Gold Standard 1971, Travel Bans and now Agenda47 under Trump.

All I want to know is, when can we please stop winning?
 
Historically, every time there is "republican" win, I always lose.



NSA passed by the 80th Republican congress, CIA head George H Bush, FBI under Coolidge, TSA under George W Bush, Nixon and the Gold Standard 1971, Travel Bans and now Agenda47 under Trump.

All I want to know is, when can we please stop winning?

I thought you said there was no difference between the parties? :cool:
 
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