Disclosing Tariff Impacts: A Hostile and Political Act

[acptulsa]

They are the ones running the current order where others have tariffs and we have none

You think Trump invented tariffs?

and they are the ones who benefit

Anyone who spends tax money benefits. That's not me. It is Trump

 

[spudea]

I understand that.

But just because some foreign government burdens its subjects with tariffs is no reason for us to want to be burdened with them too.

If you want to voluntarily send extra money to the regime in Washington equivalent to whatever the reciprocal tariffs would be for any foreign made things you buy, based on some fallacious idea that doing this would somehow benefit you or anyone else besides that regime, go ahead. But neither you nor anyone else has any right to impose that on anyone else.

You are backtracking again and failed to acknowledge the high tariffs we had in the past that benefited us. You are also suggesting the Chinese benefit from our trade. China has high trade barriers that enable them to produce the goods for us and you just suggested the Chinese people benefit from this with better labor opportunities. So your logic is completely failing. If trade barriers are beneficial for China they are not beneficial for us??? You don't make any sense. Stop with the hypothetical delusional world in your head that doesn't exist.

 

[Invisible Man]

You are backtracking again and failed to acknowledge the high tariffs we had in the past that benefited us.

You are correct that I do not acknowledge that.

 

[Invisible Man]

China has high trade barriers that enable them to produce the goods for us and you just suggested the Chinese people benefit from this with better labor opportunities.

I most certainly did not suggest that. I explicitly said the exact opposite.

Their trade barriers harm them.

Labor is not an "opportunity." It is a cost. The benefit is not the job. It is the thing the job produces. If China is spending their labor to make products that we then get to enjoy without having to use up American jobs to get these products, then we are the ones benefiting, not them. We not only get these products, but then we also have all this unused American manpower freed up to do other things because we didn't waste it on manufacturing things that were were able to get from cheap Chinese labor.

 

[acptulsa]

China has high trade barriers that enable them to produce the goods for us...

Where did that come from? Tariffs don't do that. It's a crazy statement. Factories and a labor pool enable them to make stuff.

Can we get back to the thread topic? Are you willing to admit that any politician who considers public disclosure (free speech) to be a "hostile political act" must be committing hostile political acts against we, the people?

 

[spudea]

We not only get these products, but then we also have all this unused American manpower freed up to do other things because we didn't waste it on manufacturing things that were were able to get from cheap Chinese labor.

Such an inspirational message. When the factory closes down and people are out of work, you'll be there telling people slaves in China replaced them and it's for their own good and they can just learn to code or something. I hope you advise the next Libertarian campaign for another 1% loss.

Labor is not an "opportunity." It is a cost. The benefit is not the job. It is the thing the job produces. If China is spending their labor to make products that we then get to enjoy without having to use up American jobs to get these products, then we are the ones benefiting, not them.

You literally called it a beneficial opportunity in post #104. You are speaking in circles and lost track.

 

[Invisible Man]

Such an inspirational message. When the factory closes down and people are out of work, you'll be there telling people slaves in China replaced them and it's for their own good and they can just learn to code or something. I hope you advise the next Libertarian campaign for another 1% loss.


You literally called it a beneficial opportunity in post #104. You are speaking in circles and lost track.

Here's a petition you should sign.

The Candlemakers' Petition

We candelmakers are suffering from the unfair competition of a foreign rival.

fee.org

 

[spudea]

Here's a petition you should sign.

The Candlemakers' Petition

We candelmakers are suffering from the unfair competition of a foreign rival.

fee.org

Once again you are in fantasy land, this isn't candles in the 1850s.

 

[acptulsa]

Once again you are in fantasy land, this isn't candles in the 1850s.

Valid concept is valid.

And timeless.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Valid concept is valid.

And timeless.

Yes, the concept is valid.
The candlemakers would benefit, and in this case the American workers are the candle makers.

You want American law to benefit foreigners instead of Americans.

 

[PAF]

Yes, the concept is valid.
The candlemakers would benefit, and in this case the American workers are the candle makers.

You want American law to benefit foreigners instead of Americans.

You better get with your buddies Bill Gates and Peter Thiel then and tell them to hurry it up. Why have competition when you can have forced monopolies not determined by Free Markets?

 

[Swordsmyth]

You better get with your buddies Bill Gates and Peter Thiel then and tell them to hurry it up. Why have competition when you can have forced monopolies not determined by Free Markets?

The free market doesn't apply internationally.
There are too many variable out of your control and in the hands of rivals and enemies.

Chinese slave labor is not the free market, foreign governments subsidizing their industries is not the free market, foreign governments placing tariffs and barriers on our products is not the free market.

 

[PAF]

The free market doesn't apply internationally.
There are too many variable out of your control and in the hands of rivals and enemies.

Then what's it called when you dictate to me how much I should pay and from who I can buy? "Internal" Free Market by Order?

I'm sure as hell glad you don't run my finances.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Then what's it called when you dictate to me how much I should pay and from who I can buy?

I'm sure as hell glad you don't run my finances.

We dictate which foreigners may sell things within our territory and how much they must pay to do so.
That is not dictating anything to you.

And we must do it to protect you and the rest of us from economic warfare by foreigners, the kind of warfare that has devastated the middle class and created a global oligarch class empowered to pursue global government ever since we stupidly dropped our defenses against it.

 

[PAF]

We dictate which foreigners may sell things to you within our territory and how much they YOU must pay to do so.
That is not dictating anything to you.

And we must do it to protect you and the rest of us from economic warfare by foreigners, the kind of warfare that has devastated the middle class and created a global oligarch class empowered to pursue global government ever since we stupidly dropped our defenses against it.

Commie.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Commie.

LOL

Nationalism is not communism.

You are the commie, commies are globalists.

Man is a pack animal, he must be to survive, especially when all the other packs target us.

You seek to destroy the pack in favor of a global dystopia where the Oligarch class rules over everyone and forces us all down to the lowest common denominator of slavery, "all are equal in the mud" but "some people are more equal than others".

 

[PAF]

LOL

Nationalism is not communism.

You are the commie, commies are globalists.

Man is a pack animal, he must be to survive, especially when all the other packs target us.

You seek to destroy the pack in favor of a global dystopia where the Oligarch class rules over everyone and forces us all down to the lowest common denominator of slavery, "all are equal in the mud" but "some people are more equal than others".

You Nationalist-Communist you.

Remember this? "Live Free or Die."

 

[Swordsmyth]

You Nationalist-Communist you.

Remember this? "Live Free or Die."

And the only way to live free is as part of a free nation.
You seek to destroy the fortifications of liberty so that you may profit by selling it to the enemy.

 

[PAF]

And the only way to live free is as part of a free nation.
You seek to destroy the fortifications of liberty so that you may profit by selling it to the enemy.

You really should watch this. Everything that you promote is going to do exactly what you claim you reject. Don't skip any parts now, 'K?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Everything that you promote is going to do exactly what you claim you reject.

That's what you do, and you know it.