Trump Would Fund Super-PACs Aimed at Taking Down Cruz, Kasich

The problem is Trump will not pick conservatives for the supreme court. Why would he? He's never been a conservative. I understand that some would rather take the chance because it's certain what Hillary will do. But I don't see why some believe Trump cares about conservative principles. The only thing that Trump may actually care about are the trade deals, i'll give you that. Eveything else, i doubt he cares at all. So I see him "negotiating" away everything we care about, to the democrats, should he win.

Trump might not be good. Hillary definitely will be awful. All that stuff about Trump not being a Conservative sounds right to me. Same thing can be said for Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush.

Trump said a few things that some people here liked. I think that makes him the best GOP Nominee in a generation, right? He used the word "Peace" and not in some sneering neocon way, but as something that he was in favor of. That's good, right?

Hillary is sickening, and that's good enough for me. 4 years ago, Obama wasn't quite as sickening, Romney had less to distinguish himself from Obama, and Romney and the GOP screwed over our candidate and our delegates.

At least Trump is pretending to not be not in favor of constant war in the Middle East. When was the last time a GOP Nominee said that?
 
Him going after Kasich seems like a mistake but I won't be too surprised if repeats same performance in Kasich's hometown as he did with Rubio-Florida. He is dangerously reckless/fearless in his moves annd so far no career politician has been able to stand in a fight after attacking him.

But I see him going after Cruz as a healthy development, this zionists pup was even shunned by leading financier Sheldon. Cruz is finished in Senate.


Who is Ted Cruz?

Who is Rafael Edward Cruz?

Says Iraq invasion was based on nobel reasons - check
Called for US led invasion of Syria - check
Supports sanctions against Iran - check
Supports tax payers funded war with Iran - check
Supports tax payers funded oppression/occupation abroad - check
Opposed even tiny cut in NSA spying funding during "shutdown"- check
Champions Christian Zionism/CUFI/John Hagee - check
Salutes Iraq war sniper who wished he had killed even more Iraqis - check
Says Canada makes better Maple Syrup than US - uncheck
Can be used as a partisan "attack dog" against SWC droneking - check

Ted Cruz is either a stealth,opportunistic agent of Neoconservative Establishment or
a brainswashed Christian Zionist lacking critical thinking abilities... or both.


Will Kerry, McCain, Rafael Ted Cruz succeed in selling Syria military intervention?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz


Ted Cruz attacks Obama for not fully funding NSA spying during shutdown


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January 14, 2016
Ted Cruz’s Goldman Sachs Problem
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-c...-sachs-problem
 
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Thank you for admitting that Governor Johnson did nothing to oppose the Iraq War.

Neither Johnson nor Trump were members of Congress, so neither had the opportunity to vote for/against the war.

The difference is that Johnson has always criticized the war, whereas Trump once supported it.

One could infer that, had they both in Congress, Johnson would have voted against it, and Trump for it.

It's as simple as that.
 
Him going after Kasich seems like a mistake but I won't be too surprised if repeats same performance in Kasich's hometown as he did with Rubio-Florida. He is dangerously reckless/fearless in his moves annd so far no career politician has been able to stand in a fight after attacking him.

But I see him going after Cruz as a healthy development, this zionists pup was even shunned by leading financier Sheldon. Cruz is finished in Senate.

Trump is stupid to be going after Cruz right now, and getting his delegates to boo God and the Constitution during his speech (which didn't actually attack anyone). Cruz had 1.2 million votes in the TX primary, Trump needs every single one of those votes to win the general election. Anyone saying Cruz lost those supporters is being ignorant and irresponsible for believing the lies of the Trump campaign. Irresponsible because they would have people believe Cruz is not the biggest threat to a liberty presidential candidate in 2020.

After this election, Cruz is fair game, and Trump can start whatever PAC he wants, to fund a primary challenger. If he's serious, he will put $20-$50M into it, because that's the kind of money it takes to upend a sitting Senator. Going after him now just makes that task more difficult.
 
Trump is stupid to be going after Cruz right now, and getting his delegates to boo God and the Constitution during his speech (which didn't actually attack anyone). Cruz had 1.2 million votes in the TX primary, Trump needs every single one of those votes to win the general election.

The only reasonable conclusion to be drawn is that Trump is either (a) extremely incompetent, or (b) deliberately throwing the election.

...I lean toward all of the above.
 
Advancing the cause of Libertarianism?

How's that going?

Seems like it's been a complete and total failure to this point.

But hey, if Hillary wins, and Gary Johnson gets 1-2% of the vote, the GOP can point to the Libertarian Candidate and say "oh, look, it's the Libertarians fault that we have Hillary"

Since that same thing has been happening every 4 years (when the Ds win) and since we're getting farther and farther away from what we want in terms of limited constitutional government, you might want to rethink your strategy, because showing everyone that you're a tiny minority that is of little use does not make things better.

The neocons are pissed at Trump for suggesting that endless wars are not the answer. But is there a neocon party? No. If you want to advance the cause of libertarianism, found the neocon party. Get the neocons away from one of the 2 parties who can actually win, and actually influence the government. If the neocons are out of the GOP, it will be easier for others who are less distasteful to win.

That's just the theory. We're fcked it the truth of it, and nothing can be done.

I don't vote based on emotion. I explained why the Libertarian Party was stupid and counter productive. The Libertarian Party makes normal people who are very used to holding their nose and voting for the lesser of 2 evils dislike the Libertarian Party, and to a lesser extent, libertarian ideas.

Also, you should understand that Trump is better than Hillary. Hillary has her hands on all the wars in the Middle East. Or is your version of Libertarianism pro war in the Middle East. Yay Israel! and More Spying! were in Trumps speech and I didn't like them. But with Hillary, you'll get Yay Israel! and More Spying! too. But with Trump you'll get fewer wars.

I think Trump will probably suck. Hillary definitely will. Because we've already had 8 years of Hillary as "co-president" and she already has sucked for 8 years.

I might grant that the symptoms of physical distress I've had for 20+ years are emotional based symptoms.

But I can make the intellectual case that Hillary would be far worse than Trump.

You can't make the intellectual case that Trump would be worse than Hillary.

Hillary is a disgusting pig who should've been off the stage permanently 16 years ago. You want to argue the merits of Hillary? You think it's good that she's still around? We're all supposed to be Ron or Rand Paul supporters here. I slept on a floor in New Hampshire before the NH Primary in 2008. You sound like a Democrat.

And the fact is, each President has been successively worse and the people who run the suckoligopoly have gotten successively worse. There are fewer of them and they suck more. If you can't tell the difference between Trump and Hillary, great for you, but this time around, they aren't the same.
 
Advancing the cause of Libertarianism?

How's that going?

Seems like it's been a complete and total failure to this point.

But hey, if Hillary wins, and Gary Johnson gets 1-2% of the vote, the GOP can point to the Libertarian Candidate and say "oh, look, it's the Libertarians fault that we have Hillary"

Since that same thing has been happening every 4 years (when the Ds win) and since we're getting farther and farther away from what we want in terms of limited constitutional government, you might want to rethink your strategy, because showing everyone that you're a tiny minority that is of little use does not make things better.

The neocons are pissed at Trump for suggesting that endless wars are not the answer. But is there a neocon party? No. If you want to advance the cause of libertarianism, found the neocon party. Get the neocons away from one of the 2 parties who can actually win, and actually influence the government. If the neocons are out of the GOP, it will be easier for others who are less distasteful to win.

That's just the theory. We're fcked it the truth of it, and nothing can be done.

I don't vote based on emotion. I explained why the Libertarian Party was stupid and counter productive. The Libertarian Party makes normal people who are very used to holding their nose and voting for the lesser of 2 evils dislike the Libertarian Party, and to a lesser extent, libertarian ideas.

Also, you should understand that Trump is better than Hillary. Hillary has her hands on all the wars in the Middle East. Or is your version of Libertarianism pro war in the Middle East. Yay Israel! and More Spying! were in Trumps speech and I didn't like them. But with Hillary, you'll get Yay Israel! and More Spying! too. But with Trump you'll get fewer wars.

I think Trump will probably suck. Hillary definitely will. Because we've already had 8 years of Hillary as "co-president" and she already has sucked for 8 years.

I might grant that the symptoms of physical distress I've had for 20+ years are emotional based symptoms.

But I can make the intellectual case that Hillary would be far worse than Trump.

You can't make the intellectual case that Trump would be worse than Hillary.

Hillary is a disgusting pig who should've been off the stage permanently 16 years ago. You want to argue the merits of Hillary? You think it's good that she's still around? We're all supposed to be Ron or Rand Paul supporters here. I slept on a floor in New Hampshire before the NH Primary in 2008. You sound like a Democrat.

And the fact is, each President has been successively worse and the people who run the suckoligopoly have gotten successively worse. There are fewer of them and they suck more. If you can't tell the difference between Trump and Hillary, great for you, but this time around, they aren't the same.

Have you met Trump's running mate? Because that's who would be in charge of foreign policy and domestic policy. Trump would be in charge of "Making America Great Again".

One day this past May, Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a senior adviser to Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who left the presidential race just a few weeks before. As a candidate, Kasich declared in March that Trump was “really not prepared to be president of the United States,” and the following month he took the highly unusual step of coordinating with his rival Senator Ted Cruz in an effort to deny Trump the nomination. But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html

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Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP
 
The "neocons" are embedded in all the major parties. The liberty contingent should also be embedded in all the major parties.
 
Advancing the cause of Libertarianism?

How's that going?

Seems like it's been a complete and total failure to this point.

The libertarian movement is much larger now than, say, 10 years ago.

A record setting turnout for the LP would be help it continue to grow.

But hey, if Hillary wins, and Gary Johnson gets 1-2% of the vote, the GOP can point to the Libertarian Candidate and say "oh, look, it's the Libertarians fault that we have Hillary"

It doesn't matter, especially this year when a huge number of registered GOPers hate their own nominee as much as Libertarians do.

Also, you should understand that Trump is better than Hillary. Hillary has her hands on all the wars in the Middle East.

And Trump has supported every one of them, and praised her performance as Sec. of State.

Or is your version of Libertarianism pro war in the Middle East. Yay Israel! and More Spying! were in Trumps speech and I didn't like them. But with Hillary, you'll get Yay Israel! and More Spying! too. But with Trump you'll get fewer wars.

Nope, you'll get exactly the same foreign policy.

But I can make the intellectual case that Hillary would be far worse than Trump.

You can't make the intellectual case that Trump would be worse than Hillary.

I already have, ad nauseum.

You think it's good that she's still around?

I think that if the alternative is her long time friend and ideological ally Donald Trump, it makes no difference.
 

Donald has borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from every major Wall Street bank; and supported the TARP bailout of the those banks; and praised Bernanke for printing money and handing it to those banks; and recently named as his national campaign finance chairman Steve Mnuchin, a long time Goldman Sachs executive (where he worked under Hank Paulson, author of the TARP bailout that Donald supported), who later managed a $1 billion fund for George Soros.
 
The libertarian movement is much larger now than, say, 10 years ago.

A record setting turnout for the LP would be help it continue to grow.

*** Ron Paul was popular, somewhat. The libertarians, for being around since 1970, aren't being successful. Ron Paul was popular because he was pissed off about all the sucking everywhere. Many said "I, too, am pissed off about the sucking, I'll buy on, for now, with whatever solutions that guy who hates all the sucking is coming up with." Many, however, understand that piecemeal "libertarian" solutions, which are usually things that business wants and the GOP wants to give to business, but the GOP knows that the people don't like, so they let the libertarians take credit for, aren't going to fix anything in suckfest 2016.

It doesn't matter, especially this year when a huge number of registered GOPers hate their own nominee as much as Libertarians do.

*** More people hate Hillary more than people hate Trump.

And Trump has supported every one of them, and praised her performance as Sec. of State.

*** Well, when the worst thing you can say about the candidate is that he doesn't hate the opponent enough, that's a good reason to vote for the candidate. And, seriously, during and before Primary season, I ruled Trump out because he gave money to Clinton. But, now, it's a new ballgame. Yes, Trumps judgment in donating to Clinton is bad. But that doesn't make him as bad as the awful person he contributed to. Clinton is so awful that I'd rule someone out in the Primaries just for contributing to her. That is a very high level of awful.

He also, just 2 days ago, criticized her performance. So, it's unclear what his actual feelings on the matter are. You're assuming that his most recent comments, his core message, is the lie. That's not necessarily accurate. Are you taking the position that you have unique insight into Trump - that you can tell which of the things he says are lies and which are not? There is a lot of guessing with Trump. We really don't know what he'd do. But Clinton has 24 years of pig garbage record, and Trump would have to try really really hard to match Hillary's level of filth disgusting.


Nope, you'll get exactly the same foreign policy.

*** Oh, maybe, maybe not. I mean, I read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so I'm not going to disagree with you. Endless, pointless wars for Israel, with no benefit to the US whatsoever foreever seems to have been someone's plan over 100 years ago, based on the age of whatever that thing actually is.

I already have, ad nauseum.

*** Yeah, but you won't now. Because you're wrong. You work for the DNC? And the next sentence isn't that Trump would be worse, but that they'd be the same.

I think that if the alternative is her long time friend and ideological ally Donald Trump, it makes no difference.

*** You sure are passionate and spend a lot of time on an issue that "makes no difference"

Hillary is a disgusting pig, who probably should've been in jail a long time ago, and if the policies are the same, which they could be, because Trump isn't a politician, and doesn't have a voting record, at least Trump isn't a disgusting pig.

I didn't vote for Trump in the primary. I sent money to Rand. But, again, Hillary = scum of the earth, and you should know that.

xxx
 
I don't really care. Hillary is a disgusting pig who should have gone away 16 years ago. You should know better than to defend Hillary.

How is pointing out the truth about Trump considered defending Hillary?
 
*** More people hate Hillary more than people hate Trump.

No, Trump has higher unfavorables (and lower favorables).

Well, when the worst thing you can say about the candidate is that he doesn't hate the opponent enough, that's a good reason to vote for the candidate.

That's a nice way of rephrasing the problem to make it sound less bad.

It's not that Trump "doesn't hate" Hillary enough.

It's that he shares her views on all of the important issues facing the country, such that he would govern in the same way.

And, seriously, during and before Primary season, I ruled Trump out because he gave money to Clinton. But, now, it's a new ballgame. Yes, Trumps judgment in donating to Clinton is bad. But that doesn't make him as bad as the awful person he contributed to. Clinton is so awful that I'd rule someone out in the Primaries just for contributing to her. That is a very high level of awful.

Again, you're ignoring the most serious problem.

It's not just about donations, it's about a long record of public statements in support of her terrible policies.

Those policies are always and everywhere terrible, whoever mouths them.

He also, just 2 days ago, criticized her performance.

....yea, he started criticizing her around the time he started running in the GOP.

:rolleyes:

We really don't know what he'd do.

Yes we do.

You work for the DNC?

No, but Trump likely does.

ou sure are passionate and spend a lot of time on an issue that "makes no difference"

It makes no difference who wins.

It does make a difference that ostensible libertarians/conservatives are getting suckered into supporting Trumpllary.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about, or what you could mean by "contrarian principles."

My point was very simple:

Trump is a progressive who conned his way into the nomination and is now threatening to use his influence to harm conservatives.

...and I'm mocking you fools for supporting him.

I don't see how your response addresses this at all; did you perhaps respond to the wrong post?

^^^ A progressive butt hurt that Trump doesn't support open borders and importing inadequately vetted "refugees" into our country; so that we can hurry up and become a 3rd world nation.
 
It's that he shares her views on all of the important issues facing the country, such that he would govern in the same way.

A complete and utter LIE.

They are opposed on a number of issues. Issues I have posted many, many times. But, since we are not supposed to support Trump here, I guess that means you get away with repeating your lie over and over again.
 
How is pointing out the truth about Trump considered defending Hillary?

You're not pointing out the truth. What's funny is that many of your "sources" are in the DNC Leaks emails as having colluded with the DNC to lie and smear. Kind of makes you look "silly" or something.
 
These seem like plans that someone would have if they are not expecting to be President.
 
Thank you for admitting that Governor Johnson did nothing to oppose the Iraq War.

Please apologize to the forum for your lie saying otherwise.

Please stop posting lies to the forum.




Sounds a lot like Trump.



Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2003, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2004, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2005, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2006, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2007, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2008, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2009, Johnson said nothing.
Unlike Trump speaking out against the Iraq War in 2010, Johnson said nothing.

But in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump said he supported an Iraq invasion.

In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.

“Yeah, I guess so,” Trump responded. “I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

Trump has repeatedly claimed that he was against the Iraq War before it began, despite no evidence of him publicly stating this position. On Meet the Press, Trump said there weren’t many articles about his opposition because he wasn’t a politician at the time.

“Well, I did it in 2003, I said it before that,” Trump said of his opposition to invading Iraq. “Don’t forget, I wasn’t a politician. So people didn’t write everything I said. I was a businessperson. I was, as they say, a world-class businessperson. I built a great company, I employed thousands of people. So I’m not a politician. But if you look at 2003, there are articles. If you look in 2004, there are articles.”

Trump’s comments on Stern are more in line with what he wrote in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, where he advocated for a “principled and tough” policy toward “outlaw” states like Iraq.

“We still don’t know what Iraq is up to or whether it has the material to build nuclear weapons. I’m no warmonger,” Trump wrote. “But the fact is, if we decide a strike against Iraq is necessary, it is madness not to carry the mission to its conclusion. When we don’t, we have the worst of all worlds: Iraq remains a threat, and now has more incentive than ever to attack us.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...-iraq-on-the?utm_term=.wnlVdveNJo#.lwr5Wl8YKg

Trump Timeline

Sept. 11, 2002: Howard Stern asks Trump if he supports invading Iraq. Trump answers hesitantly. “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night of President Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/
 
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