Trump to go after H1B visa abuse next.

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heh, about time. if you thought the tech companies were wailing already, just wait until their steady flow of indentured servants gets slowed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...on-immigration-to-hit-closer-to-home-for-tech

President Donald Trump’s clash with Silicon Valley over immigration is about to become even more contentious.

After the new president banned refugees and travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries, Google, Facebook, Salesforce, Microsoft and others railed against the move, saying it violated the country’s principles and risked disrupting its engine of innovation. Trump’s next steps could strike even closer to home: His administration has drafted an executive order aimed at overhauling the work-visa programs technology companies depend on to hire tens of thousands of employees each year.

If implemented, the reforms could shift the way American companies like Microsoft Corp., Amazon.com Inc. and Apple Inc. recruit talent and force wholesale changes at Indian companies such as Infosys Ltd. and Wipro Ltd. Businesses would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid.

“Our country’s immigration policies should be designed and implemented to serve, first and foremost, the U.S. national interest,” the draft proposal reads, according to a copy reviewed by Bloomberg. “Visa programs for foreign workers … should be administered in a manner that protects the civil rights of American workers and current lawful residents, and that prioritizes the protection of American workers -- our forgotten working people -- and the jobs they hold.”

more at link...
 
heh, about time. if you thought the tech companies were wailing already, just wait until their steady flow of indentured servants gets slowed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...on-immigration-to-hit-closer-to-home-for-tech

I think this is also starting to impact large firms outside of tech as well. Several recruiters are telling me about the need to onshore devops. My guess is Trump has already signaled this in the meetings he's had and those firms are taking it seriously.
 
Good to see another campaign promise being honored. Not only does it look like he is following through he is not being weasley about it or doubling down against Americans like other Republicans. This helps move the national dialogue in the right direction instead of the out right ass kissing talk to appeal to the Silicon Valley Oligarchs for campaign financing we usually hear.
 
Does this mean I might actually someday talk to an American if I called tech support? :eek:

Less likely. Companies don't sponsor call center staff for H1B visas. The unintended consequence of reducing visa applicants is an increase in cost due to higher salaries being paid to domestic employees. Companies will need to move easy-to-train jobs like customer service offshore to offset the cost.
 
Does this mean I might actually someday talk to an American if I called tech support? :eek:
No, it will make it less likely.

Those call centers are not in the United States because of the prohibitive cost of having them here. Making it even more expensive will not somehow magically change that math. :rolleyes:
 
call center / help desk are the perfect environment to begin training employees for higher skilled positions.

I think if there truly is a shortage companies will want a pipeline of local home grown talent. The biggest problem that H1B's have caused besides offshoring the high skilled positions is that it chokes off the entire tech pathway.

If there truly is a reform of H1B's and companies have to rely on homegrown talent more, it would make sense for companies to invest in training from the ground up and help US workers get educated. Those elementary tech skills one gains while doing phone support quickly translate into higher level of skill in the right environment.

Right now, foreigners reaps those rewards. The whole way that high tech companies think about education also needs to change. Education and high tech have never really made institutional gains. That could change if foreign out sourcing of that pipeline dries up.
 
Realistically who want's to deal with a call center? On hold for lengthy periods only to have to navigate a robotic system that heaven forbid you choose the wrong selection, none at all, or for some phantom reason get disconnected. If you can finally speak with a live person, they often times are robot like and have very limited authority or say things that are not delivered upon.

When I have an issue I prefer to send an email which I can easily save and then there is no misunderstanding of what the company told me or what I told them. In just a couple of minutes I can relay my issue in a note and click send. That is much better and faster for me than calling and not getting results.

I would imagine that one day there will be robots reading email's and answering our concerns instead of humans. If you don't like the response the robot gives you, you simply click a link and escalate your concern.
 
call center / help desk are the perfect environment to begin training employees for higher skilled positions.

I think if there truly is a shortage companies will want a pipeline of local home grown talent. The biggest problem that H1B's have caused besides offshoring the high skilled positions is that it chokes off the entire tech pathway.

If there truly is a reform of H1B's and companies have to rely on homegrown talent more, it would make sense for companies to invest in training from the ground up and help US workers get educated. Those elementary tech skills one gains while doing phone support quickly translate into higher level of skill in the right environment.

Right now, foreigners reaps those rewards. The whole way that high tech companies think about education also needs to change. Education and high tech have never really made institutional gains. That could change if foreign out sourcing of that pipeline dries up.

That's exactly how I worked my way up, from help desk -> phone support -> junior sysadmin/programmer -> sysadmin/programmer -> programmer -> senior engineer -> covered by the Keyman Insurance Policy

99.9% of the jobs that H1B visa people are filling could be filled by americans if given the chance to be trained.
 
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screw Obamacare, can trump get busy with sending the hordes of worthless fuckstick H1-b visa morons back where they came from? my week has been wasted dealing with these people with more letters in their PHD than braincells they have to rub together.
 
screw Obamacare, can trump get busy with sending the hordes of worthless fuckstick H1-b visa morons back where they came from? my week has been wasted dealing with these people with more letters in their PHD than braincells they have to rub together.

LOL. Didn't you know, they are the best and brightest. They do the work that Americans are too stupid to do.
 
Does this mean I might actually someday talk to an American if I called tech support? :eek:


No. The H1B is for highly educated, highly skilled and talented in specialized occupations generally engineering, chemists, physicists, biotechnology. The minimum salary to qualify for an H1B visa is $60k, but generally they are well in the six figures and up.
These are the best, and brightest, and most talented, and most creative that the world has to offer. Of all the immigrant categories, this is the one that should not be restricted. We should be encouraging and welcoming the most talented, innovative and intelligent that the world has to offer, not restricting them.
 
No. The H1B is for highly educated, highly skilled and talented in specialized occupations generally engineering, chemists, physicists, biotechnology. The minimum salary to qualify for an H1B visa is $60k, but generally they are well in the six figures and up.
These are the best, and brightest, and most talented, and most creative that the world has to offer. Of all the immigrant categories, this is the one that should not be restricted. We should be encouraging and welcoming the most talented, innovative and intelligent that the world has to offer, not restricting them.

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Yeah, because Bloomeberg is such a reliable source.

That aside, I find the use of "national interest" most unfortunate. World leaders need to hire me to teach them how to think and speak properly.

In case you have not noticed these skills are not very important on this planet.:cool:
 
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