Trump to address LP 2024 national convention

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/WillFiteForYou/status/1672653658297716736

RFK Jr At Porcfest 2023! Cronyism's Control of DC: Covid, War, Climate with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
RFK Jr came to the Free State Project's annual Porcfest at Roger's Campground in Lancaster New Hampshire to give his pitch to Libertarians on why they should support him in the 2024 Presidential Election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBhVwXOkSI


https://twitter.com/RAZ0RFIST/status/1673495698535501824

"MAGA Democrat"

https://twitter.com/AdrienneLaF/status/1673335377166213120

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[Occam's Banana]

When JFK Jr. told the democrat establishment to go fuck itself when he spoke at PorcFest last year in NH, everybody cheered.

Rightly so, and had things worked out differently I would have been happy to go see him, even though he holds many astonishingly anti-liberty positions.

So why is Trump an asshole for doing the same damn thing, essentially?

I thought the whole point was to get people thinking outside the box, outside the...*sigh*..."left - right paradigm".

So now, for better or worse, the front running presidential candidate and one of the best known candidates ever, whether loved or hated, is coming to "our" turf, to hear us out, get exposed to our ideas and try to debate our principles.

And "our" response is to mock, ridicule and make stupid wise cracks.

JFC...

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I suppose I'm one of the mocking wise-crackers you're referring to, but ...

"When [R]FK Jr. told the democrat establishment to go fuck itself when he spoke at PorcFest last year in NH, everybody cheered."
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I didn't cheer. If anything, I mildly catcalled by posting a couple of tweets critical of the "no guns" policy for his appearance.

"So why is Trump an asshole for doing the same damn thing, essentially?"
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He's not. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that he's an asshole - at least, not for that reason.

If anything, it's just the opposite - over on Twitter, you can find plenty of people who think the LP are the assholes for inviting him.

I have even posted some of Dave Smith's defense of the invitation as an "undeniably great thing", for whatever that might be worth.

I don't speak for others, but any mocking or wise-cracking I have done thus far (or am likely to do on this topic in the days to come) is a product of the intersection of two factors: the potent memeability of Donald J. Trump, and the at-least-as-potent memeability of libertarian "autism". The superlative memeability of either of those things - not to mention the potential for their miscibility - is a quality with which RFK Jr. is not nearly as well-endowed, for better and/or worse. (I suspect this, rather than favoritism or bias, explains much of the relative dearth of wise-crackery with regard to him and PorcFest or the like.)

 

[Swordsmyth]

When JFK Jr. told the democrat establishment to go $#@! itself when he spoke at PorcFest last year in NH, everybody cheered.

Rightly so, and had things worked out differently I would have been happy to go see him, even though he holds many astonishingly anti-liberty positions.

So why is Trump an $#@! for doing the same damn thing, essentially?

I thought the whole point was to get people thinking outside the box, outside the...*sigh*..."left - right paradigm".

So now, for better or worse, the front running presidential candidate and one of the best known candidates ever, whether loved or hated, is coming to "our" turf, to hear us out, get exposed to our ideas and try to debate our principles.

And "our" response is to mock, ridicule and make stupid wise cracks.

JFC...

Losertarians gotta find a way to lose.
And to make sure to sacrifice any hope for incremental progress by demanding perfection immediately.

Trump was the best POTUS in living memory and did more good than bad, now he's moving further in our direction, so naturally the losertarians want to drive him away and make him think moving their direction will not be beneficial.

 

[Swordsmyth]

(I suspect this, rather than favoritism or bias, explains much of the relative dearth of wise-crackery with regard to him and PorcFest or the like.)

Maybe for you.
But considering the people here trying to hoodwink people into supporting RFK in spite of his objectively far worse positions on liberty issues I can say absolutely that with the leftarians it's because they have a crush on the left and are willing to swallow camels from the left in return for a few empty words on a couple of issues while straining at gnats of imperfection from anyone on the right no matter how good most of their positions are.
The leftarians bragging about helping defeat the most libertarian governor in the country (Bevin in KY) so he could be replaced by a Demoncrat just in time for the COVID tyranny being a prime example.

 

[acptulsa]

So why is Trump an $#@! for doing the same damn thing, essentially?

Trump isn't an ass for doing it.

Trump is just an ass. And that means there's a lot more potential here for comedy than in anything RFKJr does.

 

[acptulsa]

... trying to hoodwink people ... they have a crush ... willing to swallow camels ... while straining at gnats ...

You should throw all your mirrors away. That way maybe someday you could stop complaining about the stuff you do and accurately complain about the stuff we do.

Here's another hint, though I know you have neither ears to hear nor eyes to see...

This isn't our gnat. This is your camel dinner.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You should throw all your mirrors away. That way maybe someday you could stop complaining about the stuff you do and accurately complain about the stuff we do.

Here's another hint, though I know you have neither ears to hear nor eyes to see...

This isn't our gnat. This is your camel dinner.

Trump gave Israel nothing it didn't already have.
And he worked on bringing peace to the region to disentangle us and prepare Israel to stand on its own two feet without us.

RFK has totally endorsed Israel without the criticisms Trump has made in the current conflict and he backed their deepstate against the Judicial Reforms.

You are again straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Trump isn't an ass for doing it.

Trump is just an ass. And that means there's a lot more potential here for comedy than in anything RFKJr does.

He is an asshole that has millions and millions and millions of devoted followers and fans.

Why do you not want them to hear about libertarian ideas?

You, more than anybody else left here on this board, have said that the people are starved for the truth, that they have not been exposed to the real ideas of liberty, and if only they were, we could unite and overcome our oppressors.

Well, here is a huge opportunity to do exactly that.

And instead of embracing that opportunity and doing whatever little bit you can to grease the skids to make it happen, you instead scoff and mock and complain.

Do better.

 

[fisharmor]

So...let me get this straight. Trump skips all of the GOP debates...and goes to a libertarian event? Make that make sense.

Well, everything about the LP inviting him to speak makes sense, especially since it was made it clear one of the biggest points is to rub his nose in some of the things he did already.

But from Trump's standpoint, you're right, it makes zero sense. He didn't go to the GOP debates because he didn't need to, and it looked better for him in the long run not to. If that's the calculus, then the only reason for him to go to the LP convention is the reverse - he thinks he needs to, or that it will look better in the long run for him to do it.

I don't make a secret of my negative feelings for Trump... but unlike those with positive feelings for him, I can actually put my feelings aside for a second and recognize that Trump doesn't operate on the same wavelength as anyone else. He does what he does for reasons that aren't on anyone's map. My personal analysis of the man is that this is probably how he made his fortune - taking actions that nobody else understands and then walking away with millions is pretty par for the course for billionaires.

I think that's everyone's problem with him - you just can't tell what's going on in his head. That's what drives the Left crazy - any other R candidate is preferable because they can all be anticipated and therefore controlled. I mean that's the only explanation I can think of for why they're still so batshit crazy about Trump despite getting a lot of things they wanted during his term.

I suppose that's the dumb thing about inviting him - McArdle said in the video above that they want to preach libertarianism to him so much he repeats it back to them. Ok good luck with that - the dude says all sorts of things and then does the exact opposite. Because whatever is going on in his head, he seems to be good at doing the math and figuring out that if his personal agenda requires him to do something like create a federal program to assist in gender transitions for middle schoolers, he can go ahead and do it because he knows what the fallout will be before even trying and he knows it's not going to make people hate him more than Biden.

So I think I have an explanation though.... I remember way back in the day listening to G Gordon Liddy talk on his radio program about a guy he knew that was a complete ass with women. The type of guy who would just walk up to a woman on the street and say "hey baby wanna screw?" And Liddy said he asked him, hey, don't you get slapped a lot? And the guy responded yeah, I do, but I also get laid a lot.
My belief is that Mr "Grab her by the pussy" is doing that to the LP. He knows, not believes but knows, that he's going to go be an ass and that some of the LP faithful are going to like that. And he has probably already done the math and figured out how that advances his personal agenda.

 

[acptulsa]

Why do you not want them to hear about libertarian ideas?

I do. I very much do. And I want to see if his fanbois react like sentient beings when they expose him as the pompous ass he is, or if they get mad at the messenger. You know. The way all these women whose immune systems have shut down don't blame Big Pharma or the government who lied to them, but blame the very people who tried to warn them.

I expect the messengers to be shot. But I'm still for it, and looking forward to it. Hypocrisy on parade.

I'm just laughing. Not objecting. Laughing.

My belief is that Mr "Grab her by the pussy" is doing that to the LP. He knows, not believes but knows, that he's going to go be an ass and that some of the LP faithful are going to like that. And he has probably already done the math and figured out how that advances his personal agenda.

No, it's that portion of the MAGA demographic who are obsessed with us, like Swordy, whose abiding infatuation with Trump will be deepened when the Libertarians expose his "conservative" hypocrisy. Remember, Republicans refuse to play victim cards themselves, but they love and adore candidates who play victim cards...

 

[CaptUSA]

He's not. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that he's an asshole - at least, not for that reason....

I don't speak for others, but any mocking or wise-cracking I have done thus far (or am likely to do on this topic in the days to come) is a product of the intersection of two factors: the potent memeability of Donald J. Trump, and the at-least-as-potent memeability of libertarian "autism".

Precisely! Come on, AF... You gotta find this at least a little amusing.

The MC takes over the LP. The LP invites Trump and Biden and Trump accepts. Have you ever watched a gathering of the LP?! This is gonna be like Barnum and Bailey speaking to your local carnies.

 

[69360]

Precisely! Come on, AF... You gotta find this at least a little amusing.

The MC takes over the LP. The LP invites Trump and Biden and Trump accepts. Have you ever watched a gathering of the LP?! This is gonna be like Barnum and Bailey speaking to your local carnies.

So the fat guy is going to strip naked again while Trump is on the stage? Or perhaps the one who is in favor of pedos will debate Trump on the pro and cons of kiddy diddling?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Precisely! Come on, AF... You gotta find this at least a little amusing.

The MC takes over the LP. The LP invites Trump and Biden and Trump accepts. Have you ever watched a gathering of the LP?! This is gonna be like Barnum and Bailey speaking to your local carnies.

Well, of course...everything in the Idiocracy has comic moments.



Here's hoping some seeds get planted I guess.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I suppose I'm one of the mocking wise-crackers you're referring to, but ...

"When [R]FK Jr. told the democrat establishment to go fuck itself when he spoke at PorcFest last year in NH, everybody cheered."
​

I didn't cheer. If anything, I mildly catcalled by posting a couple of tweets critical of the "no guns" policy for his appearance.

"So why is Trump an asshole for doing the same damn thing, essentially?"
​

He's not. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that he's an asshole - at least, not for that reason.

If anything, it's just the opposite - over on Twitter, you can find plenty of people who think the LP are the assholes for inviting him.

I have even posted some of Dave Smith's defense of the invitation as an "undeniably great thing", for whatever that might be worth.

I don't speak for others, but any mocking or wise-cracking I have done thus far (or am likely to do on this topic in the days to come) is a product of the intersection of two factors: the potent memeability of Donald J. Trump, and the at-least-as-potent memeability of libertarian "autism". The superlative memeability of either of those things - not to mention the potential for their miscibility - is a quality with which RFK Jr. is not nearly as well-endowed, for better and/or worse. (I suspect this, rather than favoritism or bias, explains much of the relative dearth of wise-crackery with regard to him and PorcFest or the like.)

LOL, fair enough.

 

[acptulsa]

Do better.

Stop reading my posts through your odd lens.

 

[Snowball]

My personal analysis of the man is that this is probably how he made his fortune - taking actions that nobody else understands and then walking away with millions is pretty par for the course for billionaires..

Except for the part where he inherited $413 million dollars between the ages of 3 and 58, and is not a dime richer than basic real estate inflation in that course of time. Then there's four corporate bankruptcies and the time he couldn't pay his bills so asked Wilbur Ross, who was working for Rothschild at the time, to bail him out. Yeah, he's a real genius.

 

[acptulsa]

Except for the part where he inherited $413 million dollars...

You think that's not par for the course for wealthy people today? I think only one percent of the one percent are self made. All of the rest inherited it.

Oh, the rest like to pretend they earned it. Trump is certainly no exception to that. He is just like every other silver spoon brat, except for the degree of his narcissism.

 

[Snowball]

You think that's not par for the course for wealthy people today? I think only one percent of the one percent are self made. All of the rest inherited it.

Oh, the rest like to pretend they earned it. Trump is certainly no exception to that. He is just like every other silver spoon brat, except for the degree of his narcissism.

It's virtually impossible to earn a large amount of wealth "by yourself". They either benefit vicariously by monetary depreciation (asset inflation), or they depend on others to work or consume for them. This is why we're not going to see change in our lifetimes through any political process. It's too entrenched, and the ideology is embraced by many of its own victims.

 

[buck000]

I watched McArdle's video, and it's cool that she's trying, though I don't share her optimism.

I signed up and paid the $10 to be able to vote in the poll.

Turns out you can only pick one of 10 items, or Other. I was hoping to have a raft of choices from which I could select 10.

The current results show Other in the lead...!

I'm leaning toward voting to Get Rid of the Deep State, but that's just spitting in the wind. Didn't Trump say he was going to do that, along with locking Hillary up (didn't do that because it wasn't something he felt strongly about...!

I don't think this will get the media attention that McArdle says it will, aside from "Trump attended the Libertarian National Convention today. In other news, a cat was rescued from a tree by a brave non-binary immigrant who supports Palestinian Freedom..."

Still, I'll choose one, since I spent my money.

BTW, I saw the merch of which McArdle speaks, and the Donald Hair t-shirts make no sense to me.

 

[fisharmor]

Except for the part where he inherited $413 million dollars between the ages of 3 and 58, and is not a dime richer than basic real estate inflation in that course of time. Then there's four corporate bankruptcies and the time he couldn't pay his bills so asked Wilbur Ross, who was working for Rothschild at the time, to bail him out. Yeah, he's a real genius.

If you take a lowball of his net worth, 4.7bn, then that means you're saying real estate has increased over 1000 fold in the last 50 years.
That's ignoring that the Trump Organization has a revenue of at least 400 million annually.
It's also ignoring the fact that the bigger your purse the harder the feds come for it, so you at least have to work on it not getting picked apart.
Even if you're right, and all he did was hold on to what he was given, then that's still something that requires more effort than you're crediting him for, and a type of effort neither of us understands.