Trump says he will get rid of the Department of Education if elected president

[CCTelander]

So, more soon-to-be-broken promises (assuming Trump is the next POTUS) from the king of same.

As I recall Reagan made the same promise, and broke it.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

didnt Trump had four years to do most of these things?


I am sure Trump handlers were rejecting most of his plans if not agenda.

Just like withdrawing from Syria.

 

[Swordsmyth]

We are talking about the guy who hexed the Pentagon by creating a whole new Armed Force just for outer space, right? That guy?

Space Force is not the crime against nature you seem to think it is.
They are not doing anything the military wasn't already doing, but they are doing it more efficiently because the people doing it are now all in one dedicated branch.

It's of no more consequence that the changing of the Army Air Corps into the Air Force, possibly less.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Like I'm supposed to give a crap? Trump is egging on Israel which means wider war in the Middle East.

Guy is as phony as a 3-dollar bill. I pay no attention to his bloody spittle.

Trump is not egging on Israel, he has criticized Israel, said the war needs to end, and said he will end it if it's still going.

Biden is funding both sides and trying to keep the war going, and RFKommie has gone all in on Israel.

 

[Swordsmyth]

didnt Trump had four years to do most of these things?


I am sure Trump handlers were rejecting most of his plans if not agenda.

Just like withdrawing from Syria.

He didn't have a cooperative Congress.
He almost got rid of O'Bummer care but McCain and the other RINOs stopped it.

 

[acptulsa]

He didn't have a cooperative Congress.
He almost got rid of O'Bummer care but McCain and the other RINOs stopped it.

There's a difference there you choose to ignore. He was commander in chief, and head of all executive branch agencies. So, he can do things (like curb departments and move troops) that don't require congress, unlike repealing a law.

He could have drowned us in oranges, but didn't. And you want to brag that he made a big show of trying to get congress to give us an apple.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There's a difference there you choose to ignore. He was commander in chief, and head of all executive branch agencies. So, he can do things (like curb departments and move troops) that don't require congress, unlike repealing a law.

He could have drowned us in oranges, but didn't. And you want to brag that he made a big show of trying to get congress to give us an apple.

Bunk, they have made a bunch of laws to prevent that kind of thing and I just recently showed where they prohibited him from bringing troops home from S. Korea without permission from the Pentagon. (Because he had been bringing troops home from there and elsewhere)

 

[acptulsa]

Bunk, they have made a bunch of laws to prevent that kind of thing and I just recently showed where they prohibited him from bringing troops home from S. Korea without permission from the Pentagon. (Because he had been bringing troops home from there and elsewhere)

A real man would have exercised his prerogative as commander in chief, and used the Constitution as a defense. But Trump obviously never had the stomach for a fight. And I don't see any reason to believe he has developed one. He obviously prefers to lie down and let congress victimize him, because silly Republicans shower him with money every time that happens.

 

[TheTexan]

Just need a tiny group to do the bare minimum and etc

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, let's say I'm not impressed.

Great sentiment, but the fact is that the Dept. of Education is an executive office of the president and it's members serve at the whim of the president.

Which means they can be dismissed at any time by the president.

GOP® has been using this "promise" as griftwood since Ronald Reagan and for over 40 years now, has yet to make good.

Trump could do this on day one if he wanted to.

 

[69360]

Instead Trump will personally instruct children in shady business deals and paying off porno stars.

 

[TheTexan]

Instead Trump will personally instruct children in shady business deals and paying off porno stars.

Well, it would be an improvement over the current education

 

[Snowball]

Trump is not egging on Israel, he has criticized Israel, said the war needs to end, and said he will end it if it's still going.

Biden is funding both sides and trying to keep the war going, and RFKommie has gone all in on Israel.

The way I've seen it, it's Biden holding back shipments right now that is making Israel back off Rafah.
Trump wouldn't have withheld anything, and was vocally calling on them to "finish the job".

Anyway, I'm not voting for any of them, Biden (never would vote Dem), Trump, or RFK Jr.
I'm totally down-ballot. And I can afford to not have to settle because I'm fully disenfranchised.
The Democrat is automatic in Rhode Island.

 

[Invisible Man]

And he says he's sending it back to the states where it belongs:

Except when it comes to English, math, etc. Then it will be run by his tiny group that he will call by some name that isn't "Department of Education."

 

[Invisible Man]

During Trump's first term as president, Thomas Massie and other Republicans sponsored a bill to abolish the Department of Education, here is a quote of what Trump said in support of that bill at the time:

 

[Swordsmyth]

Except when it comes to English, math, etc. Then it will be run by his tiny group that he will call by some name that isn't "Department of Education."

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

 

[Invisible Man]

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

You have no reason at all to believe that.

 

[CaptUSA]

You have no reason at all to believe that.

You don't need reasons when you have faith in the almighty gospel according to Donald.

 

[acptulsa]

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

Why?

There are companies that already do a better job of that than government can ever hope to do. All Trump is doing here is the same thing companies do when they get a bad name. He's changing their name.

Now there's an opinion stated as fact that's ten times more likely to be the truth than what you said.

 

[Occam's Banana]

All or nothing will get you nothing.

Tell it to William Lloyd Garrison (or Cassius Clay).

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There is no massive nationwide movement like abolition, and the abolition movement had to be built on partial steps, like ending the importation of slaves, and getting states not to enforce the fugitive slave act.

That is not what you said. You said, "All or nothing will get you nothing".

Garrison and the abolitionists went for "all", and that is what they eventually got - and nobody said anything about "or nothing" (then or now).

And the fact that they did not get it "all" all at once, the moment they started demanding it, is irrelevant - because "Purism is Practical":

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"Those who advocate a so-called extreme position can often move the center of political debate closer to the pure libertarian position." -- Ron Paul

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"This is not to suggest libertarians should reject transitional measures. A gradual transition is the best way to achieve liberty without causing massive social and economic disruptions." -- Ron Paul

As Murray Rothbard emphasized, we should always keep in mind the critical fact that there is no necessary contradiction between "absolutism in theory" and "gradualism in practice." In fact, gradualism in practice is fine. It has to be, if only because "gradualism" is almost always the only means by which things will actually change. As the great abolitionist (and absolutist) William Lloyd Garrison noted: "Urge immediate abolition as earnestly as we may, it will, alas! be gradual abolition in the end. We have never said that slavery would be overthrown by a single blow; that it ought to be, we shall always contend."

But it is just as important to understand that acknowledging the place of gradualism in practice is NOT an excuse for eschewing absolutism in theory. Serious (indeed, fatal) problems arise when "absolutism in theory" is misguidedly discarded and "gradualism in practice" is promoted to "gradualism in theory." As Garrison also pointed out, "gradualism in theory is perpetuity in practice."

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Work with Trump to get rid of the massive bureaucracy with its massive budget and powers, then we can worry about getting rid of whatever small oversight and statistics group he is talking about later.

No thanks. Instead, I think I'll just keep doing my own little bit (as relatively trivial as it may be) by "urg[ing] immediate abolition as earnestly as [I] may", and taking every opportunity to declare that the Department of Education ought to be abolished and replaced with a "small oversight and statistics group" absolutely nothing.

I encourage others to do so as well.

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