Trump resumes Canada critique of Cruz

[Jan2017]

Now - after Rafael Cruz Jr. third place shutout finish everywhere in New York - some other states pick GOP delegates that were the original 13 ratifiers to the words voted on and put into draft of the Constitution which were penned from the Secretary of Foreign Affairs for the defined purpose to exclude Foreigners from the administration of the national Government . . .
with explicitly that the command of the american Army could only go to a natural born Citizen.

Trump resumes Canada critique of Cruz

Donald Trump is again questioning Ted Cruz's eligibility to be president, saying the Texas senator came "straight out of the hills of Canada."

Trump while speaking to a crowd packed in a high school in Waterbury, Conn. said that he's confident Cruz won't get the Republican presidential nomination, but believes Democrats would sue him if he were to ever become president.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-ted-cruz-canada-222347

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

If there was actually a strong case against Cruz being eligible, liberals would be jumping all over it.

 

[Jan2017]

If there was actually a strong case against Cruz being eligible, liberals would be jumping all over it.

lol -
Dims will rather wait till the GOP was stupid enough to go ahead and nominate a foreign-born to one US citizen parent only (only Act of Congress makes them statutory naturalized citizen - alas), that way they could spend next to nothing to defeat the GOP's constitutionally ineligible nominee.

btw, looks like Eleanor Darragh Wilson lived in London from 1960 to 1966 . . .
Had she already lost even her US citizenship by the 1967 move to Canada, before Teddy was born in 1970 and before she further
compromised her US citizenship and derivative citizenship privilege of any foreign-born child after being the equivalent of registered to vote in Canada for 1974 ?


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[Tywysog Cymru]

lol -
Dims will rather wait till the GOP was stupid enough to go ahead and nominate a foreign-born to one US citizen parent only (only Act of Congress makes them statutory naturalized citizen - alas), that way they could spend next to nothing to defeat the GOP's constitutionally ineligible nominee.

btw, looks like Eleanor Darragh Wilson lived in London from 1960 to 1966 . . .
Had she already lost even her US citizenship by the 1967 move to Canada, before Teddy was born in 1970 and before she further
compromised her US citizenship and derivative citizenship privilege of any foreign-born child after being the equivalent of registered to vote in Canada for 1974 ?
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I don't know all the information.

But if there was a strong case, liberals would already be trying to bring lawsuits against Cruz as he is much more likely to win than Trump is.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

If there was actually a strong case against Cruz being eligible, liberals would be jumping all over it.

They already have - my thread on democrat lawyers and cruz citizenship. at least 5 as I recall.

Making all the same arguments we have here - except the final one -- citizenship only passed through the father when relevant. democrat pc-ness won't let them make it - but the law never changed it.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

lol -
Dims will rather wait till the GOP was stupid enough to go ahead and nominate a foreign-born to one US citizen parent only (only Act of Congress makes them statutory naturalized citizen - alas), that way they could spend next to nothing to defeat the GOP's constitutionally ineligible nominee.

btw, looks like Eleanor Darragh Wilson lived in London from 1960 to 1966 . . .
Had she already lost even her US citizenship by the 1967 move to Canada, before Teddy was born in 1970 and before she further
compromised her US citizenship and derivative citizenship privilege of any foreign-born child after being the equivalent of registered to vote in Canada for 1974 ?


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Under Canadian law at the time - she would have become a citizen if her husband was one -- something to add to the other thread and I haven't yet - but we speculated on it. so the argument she wasn't one falls flat. Plus she likely already gave it up in britain to her first husband. Yet it doesn't matter. Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen so many other ways (like all of them).

 

[Jan2017]

I don't know all the information.

But if there was a strong case, liberals would already be trying to bring lawsuits against Cruz as he is much more likely to win than Trump is.

Rafael Cruz Jr. was born to one US citizen parent only in Calgary, Alberta - he is naturalized. He did not expatriate from Canada until 2014, and becomes eligible for the US Senate in 2023.

Since born to one Citizen parent only, and by being born in 1970 - ALL aliens born under those circumstances fall under the 1952 Naturalization Act which is codified as 8 USC 1401 - for derivative alien-born Citizens. A Court can ask for blood tests to show the derivative parentage now since Eleanor seems to have lied on the Canadian birth records as well.

Dims do not have to do anything but just let the GOP nominate an ineligible candidate . . .
an ineligible foreignborn nominee can not receive any electoral college electors by several state laws.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

They already have - my thread on democrat lawyers and cruz citizenship. at least 5 as I recall.

Making all the same arguments we have here - except the final one -- citizenship only passed through the father when relevant. democrat pc-ness won't let them make it - but the law never changed it.

Most liberals seem to be ignoring the eligibility issue. When they talk about it, they say that it's a sort of poetic justice for Republicans for the Obama birtherism.

Rafael Cruz Jr. was born to one US citizen parent only in Calgary, Alberta - he is naturalized. He did not expatriate from Canada until 2014, and becomes eligible for the US Senate in 2023.

Since born to one Citizen parent only, and by being born in 1970 - ALL aliens born under those circumstances fall under the 1952 Naturalization Act which is codified as 8 USC 1401 - for derivative alien-born Citizens. A Court can ask for blood tests to show the derivative parentage now since Eleanor seems to have lied on the Canadian birth records as well.

Ted Cruz was born to an American mother. Under the law he is a US citizen.

Dims do not have to do anything but just let the GOP nominate an ineligible candidate . . .
an ineligible foreignborn nominee can not receive any electoral college electors by several state laws.

I think the Supreme Court would have to declare him to be ineligible. It takes a while for cases to get to the Supreme Court so ideally someone should have started on this a while ago.

If liberals are able to stop Cruz's campaign in the primaries, Trump will get the nomination, which is what they want to happen.

 

[Jan2017]

Most liberals seem to be ignoring the eligibility issue. When they talk about it, they say that it's a sort of poetic justice for Republicans for the Obama birtherism.

Characterizing Rafael Cruz Jr.'s situation as a birther issue only shows a lack of understanding and spreads disinformation
- there is is no question of the foreign soil birth place. . . . unlike Chester Arthur, Barry Goldwater, John McCain

Still, liberals supporting Obamacare have already been mocking Cruz being born in a Canada socialist medicine facility / hospital.

Ted Cruz was born to an American mother. Under the law he is a US citizen.

LOL, Yes, under the law of Title 8 he can become a US citizen like other alien born children - not an automatic 8 USC Sect. 1431 baby - awe.

A pretty bad understanding of this is unfortunately typical of voters,
but delegates unbound in a multiple ballot convention hopefully not so much, thank goodness!

Born on foreign soil to an American parent . . .
so by US law Ted had until age 23 to be naturalized as a US citizen if meeting the primary necessity of actually becoming an inhabitant/residence - the first requirement to full naturalization to the USA.



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[Jan2017]

some other states pick GOP delegates that were the original 13 ratifiers to the words voted on . . .
explicitly that the command of the american Army could only go to a natural born Citizen.

Ted Cruz was third place in New Hampshire, South Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, and New York (fourth place in Massachusetts) . . . so far.

Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island comin' up on Tuesday ?

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

LOL, Yes, under the law of Title 8 he can become a US citizen like other alien born children - not an automatic 8 USC Sect. 1431 baby - awe.

A pretty bad understanding of this is unfortunately typical of voters,
but delegates unbound in a multiple ballot convention hopefully not so much, thank goodness!

Born on foreign soil to an American parent . . .
so by US law Ted had until age 23 to be naturalized as a US citizen if meeting the primary necessity of actually becoming an inhabitant/residence - the first requirement to full naturalization to the USA.
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Is Prince Hashim a US citizen? No, but Cruz is. So Prince Hashim cannot run while Cruz can.

 

[Jan2017]

Ted Cruz was born to an American mother. Under the law he is a US citizen.

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Ted Cruz was born to an American mother. Under the law he is a US citizen.

Yep, Ted Cruz is a US citizen by law, and a Canadian citizen by birth.

Before Ted ever became an Inhabitant of the United States, as a child of Canada utilizing Canada social services including Canadacare -
his mother Eleanor Darragh had lived outside the United States for 14 years already and then in 1974
had been registered/enumerated for a foreign election as a Canadian citizen, all before Ted ever entered the USA.

Since the US is not going to be able to rely on foreign documents which Eleanor has apparently carelessly or capriciously lied on -
- the birth certificates in England and Canada - by US law used in INS deportations to prove parentage, blood/DNA testing is necessitated to prove the parentage for the questionable derivative US citizenship of Rafael Eduardo Cruz.

Under the doctrine of estoppel, records in England, and Canada, about Eleanor Darragh Wilson could prevent an injustice being propagated further in the USA.

Did she list the correct father on the 1965-66 birth in England, although Mr. Wilson did allow her to use her divorced name Wilson -
or on the 1966 death certificate in London vital records.

Is Prince Hashim a US citizen? No, but Cruz is. So Prince Hashim cannot run while Cruz can.

Cruz never a natural born Citizen ever, that is the President Eligibility Clause -
Cruz completed his residence requirement for naturalization before age 23 as law requires -
but since Ted only fully naturalized as an exclusive US citizen and not a dual citizen by expatriating from Canada in 2014,
he has to wait 9 years like the 73 foreignborn Senators that preceded him - you wait 9 years like everybody else Teddy!
Or you get impeached, even after elected by the state like Gallatin was.

Trump full text is being reported from the Saturday rally in Connecticut . . .
Trump said he thinks Democrats would prevail in the eligibility case they promise.

Before the Feb. 1 Iowa caucuses, Trump repeatedly suggested Cruz was ineligible to be president because of his Canadian birth.

He later moved onto other attacks, settling on "Lyin’ Ted" for most of them.

Cruz returned fire Saturday, calling Trump a "master illusionist" and a phony.

Cruz running a solid third on schedule to lose some 150 delegates to Trump over the next 8 days.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Under Canadian law at the time, Cruz's mother became a citizen when her husband became a citizen. And she might have already lost her American citizenship years before in Britain when she was living with her first husband. With all the planning to raise families in other countries, it doesn't sound like she was serious about staying an American.

Since Cruz's mother really was a citizen of Canada, I think it is unlikely she wouldn't have voted with her husband as well as just registering to vote with her husband. They were building a new life together there. Their business was there, their new son was born there. Voting cemented it for them.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Yep, Ted Cruz is a US citizen by law, and a Canadian citizen by birth.

I'm not even convinced Ted Cruz is a citizen *now*. Every Way we have looked at it, Cruz is not a natural born citizen. But if it is true that Cruz's mother gave up her US citizenship - then Cruz was never properly naturalized, and isn't even a citizen now.

 

[Jan2017]

Eleanor was only married to Wilson for three years in London . . . she lived there another three years divorced and had someone's baby . . .
she named the son Michael Wilson.

Some of her actions in England and Canada support that she may have in effect renounced her US citizenship to some degree . . .
Did she report her foreign income to the US as a US citizen living abroad ?
Any record that son Michael was anything but a British subject ? Probable, but a provable point, is the son born in England was never claimed to be a US citizen, exactly same as son Rafael Jr. before he entered and started naturalization.

“We were divorced and she was living on her own,” said Wilson.” He said that Eleanor asked him if she could use his last name on the birth certificate.
When Michael Wilson later died, he said, “I hadn’t even met the baby.”

“I didn’t know she was pregnant. We were definitely divorced.”

He said the time frame was around 1963 that they were divorced.

Michael Wilson was born and died in 1966 and was buried in Kensal Green Cemetery in Kensington, a London neighborhood.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...irst-husband-is-an-ex-pat-texan-in-london.ece

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Canadian Citizenship Act 1947-1977
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canad...uisition_and_loss_of_citizenship.2C_1947-1977

• birth in Canada (except where either parent is a representative of a foreign government, their employee, or anyone granted diplomatic privileges or immunities AND neither parent is a citizen or permanent resident)
• naturalization in Canada after five years' residence as a landed immigrant
• grant of citizenship to a foreign woman married to a Canadian man after one year's residence as a landed immigrant
• grant of citizenship to women who lost British subject status prior to 1947 upon marriage to a foreign man or his subsequent naturalization
• registration of a child born outside Canada to a Canadian "responsible parent" (being the father, if the child was born in wedlock, or the mother, if the child was born out of wedlock and was residing with the mother, if the father was deceased or if custody of the child had been awarded to the mother by court order)

She didn't even need to apply for it, she would have automatically been granted it because Cruz's father became a citizen of Canada.

So now we have Ted Cruz born in Canada to TWO Canadian citizens, and yet claiming to be naturally born!

The only argument Cruz has left is his mother had dual citizenship - but it is doubtful that that argument will work. And now he's not trying to save his natural born status, but any status as a citizen, because common law, the law of nations, etc doesn't recognize dual citizenship - and his mother was on the election rolls - and that in itself is sufficient under the law to show she renounced her American citizenship for her Canadian one.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Ted Cruz was never properly naturalized. Ted Cruz is an illegal alien.

Merely living in the country does not make you a citizen.

 

[FindLiberty]

Never mind, all a big misunderstanding. It does not matter if the Cruz birth certificate
is found in Hawaii (on the same microfiche page as Obama's with the nice Photoshop font).

Come on. Does the Constitution contain ANYTHING that's still being followed these days?

[correction: The third Amendment to the US Constitution is still holding up ...in most cases.]

 

[Ender]

Most liberals seem to be ignoring the eligibility issue. When they talk about it, they say that it's a sort of poetic justice for Republicans for the Obama birtherism.



Ted Cruz was born to an American mother. Under the law he is a US citizen.



I think the Supreme Court would have to declare him to be ineligible. It takes a while for cases to get to the Supreme Court so ideally someone should have started on this a while ago.

If liberals are able to stop Cruz's campaign in the primaries, Trump will get the nomination, which is what they want to happen.

And, as I have said elsewhere, there is already a precedence set.

Chester Arthur's history is very questionable- and was probably in the same category as Cruz. It looks like there was a lot of lying about his birthplace as well as his birth date.

 

[TommyJeff]

Donald Trump is again questioning Ted Cruz's eligibility to be president, saying the Texas senator came "straight out of the hills of Canada."

It's quite upsetting that the US Constitution might be violated (again) and the majority don't care. Cruz isn't natural born. Period!