Trump resumes Canada critique of Cruz

[Jan2017]

Neither was Canadian at the time of Ted's birth.

Doesn't really matter if neither were bona fide US citizens in 1970, as Ted was the Canadian by birth
and Rafael Jr. was a Canadian citizen continuously from the Dec 22, 1970 delivery at Calgary's Foothills Provincial General Hospital
until a May 2014 application for expatriation from Canada was completed and approved.

If both parents were Canadian citizens at the time of Rafael Jr.'s 1976 entry into the US -
which seems very probably with Eleanor living outside the US for 14 years before entry, she likely effectively already gave up her rights to pass derivative citizenship by US law - just like her previous son Michael born in England which Cruz' definitely lied about in the tear-jerking false account in his book. Eleanor either didn't proof read it - or they ALL decided to go with the UK lie for the US masses.

Eleanor's son Michael - born to an unknown father presumably English, was also like Rafael Jr. never a natural born US Citizen -
Michael also was never naturalized in the United States of course, as he never had the opportunity to enter the USA like his younger half-brother Rafael Jr.

"only necessary that he be born or naturalized in the United States, to be a citizen of the Union"

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

They got married in 1969. Ted was born in 1970. Cruz's dad became Canadian in 1973- four years after they were married and three years after Ted was born. Canadian law would not have made her a Canadian citizen since he wasn't one either at the time they got married. Neither was Canadian at the time of Ted's birth.

It doesn't matter. That's not how the naturalization laws usual read. Ted Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate - if neither parent retained American citizenship, his alleged dual citizenship - a concept only recent itself - would disappear as an option. Never a resident in America while any parent could claim to be American with citizenship in Canada.

English statutory law, which some view as part of common law, started the naturalization at birth outside the country tradition. A big included part of it is not giving citizenship to families who never intend to remain citizens. Common sense. The usual 14th amendment hand waving can't be applied here either - Cruz's family was outside the jurisdiction of the US - and without citizenship - they don't even have that hold. Canadia was their jurisdiction - and Canadian law says Cruz is Canadian.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

His father didn't become Canadian until three years after he was born. That scenario does not apply to Ted Cruz.

A child born to a Cuban father outside the country isn't a citizen either

 

[Zippyjuan]

if neither parent retained American citizenship, his alleged dual citizenship - a concept only recent itself - would disappear as an option.

So prove his mother was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. You can't which means your point is irrelevant.

 

[Zippyjuan]

A child born to a Cuban father outside the country isn't a citizen either

Actually according to US law, under most conditions they are if at least one parent was a US citizen- which his mother was. https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...s-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

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So prove his mother was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. You can't which means your point is irrelevant.

At the point she is a Canadian citizen, which was just proved above by posting Canadian law - a point she, her lawyer, and you several weeks ago denied, it is up to her to prove she is an American - and dual citizenship is not the umbrella idea I think you believe it is, there are only specific circumstances it typically temporary exists in.

I made my point. Your position now only has a very narrow way it could work, which is getting increasingly doubtful, and I will not make that argument for you. And to be clear, we are no longer talking about Cruz being natural born, but with the mother having Canadian citizenship - of Cruz being a citizen at all.

 

[Jan2017]

So prove his mother was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. You can't which means your point is irrelevant.

US law does not consider someone who votes in a foreign election as Citizen . . .
Eleanor had lived outside the United States for 14 years before bringing Rafael Jr. to the USA as a Canadian citizen with her Canadian-Cuban husband who left the US after a Selective Service registration violation.

Her son Michael was also NOT EVER a natural born US Citizen either.

Her act of fraud about that birth is also trouble.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Her US birth certificate is proof she was a citizen. Unless somebody can come up with proof she surrendered it. And there is none.

 

[Zippyjuan]

US law does not consider someone who votes in a foreign election as Citizen . . .
Eleanor had lived outside the United States for 14 years before bringing Rafael Jr. to the USA as a Canadian citizen.

Her son Michael was also NOT EVER a natural born US Citizen either.

Proof of her voting in a foreign election? An official voter registration sheet perhaps? (the source cited on this is NOT any official list of registered voters).

Why was Michael not a citizen? (he unfortunately died crib death).

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Her US birth certificate is proof she was a citizen. Unless somebody can come up with proof she surrendered it. And there is none.

Doesn't matter. After she was born, she became a canadian citizenship. You do not necessarily retain citizenship for life when you give it up.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Proof of her voting in a foreign election? An official voter registration sheet perhaps? (the source cited on this is NOT any official list of registered voters).

I think you need to reword that. It isn't accurate.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Doesn't matter. After she was born, she became a canadian citizenship. You do not necessarily retain citizenship for life when you give it up.

When and how did she become Canadian? You fail to back up the claim though you repeat it often.

 

[Jan2017]

Her US birth certificate is proof she was a citizen. Unless somebody can come up with proof she surrendered it. And there is none.

Ottawa government social services records . . . and US IRS . . . etc. . . . would have proof that shows US could regard her as having
relinquished US citizenship by 14 years residing outside the USA and not abiding by the laws for US citizens residing in foreign nations.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

When and how did she become Canadian? You fail to back up the claim though you repeat it often.

I posted the law above. reread the thread.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Which post?

 

[Jan2017]

When and how did she become Canadian? You fail to back up the claim though you repeat it often.

Ask Rafael Bienvenido Cruz . . .
he was the Canadian citizen husband on what date ?
it certainly was before Eleanor brought the child Rafael Jr. into the United States to begin his residence requirement under whatever naturalization statute you want to apply to the child of Canada for dual citizenship by the United States.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Ottawa government social services records . . . and US IRS . . . etc. . . . would have proof that shows US could regard her as having
relinquished US citizenship by 14 years residing outside the USA and not abiding by the laws for US citizens residing in foreign nations.

So you don't have proof that she gave up her US citizenship.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Ask Rafael Bienvenido Cruz . . .
he was the Canadian citizen husband on what date ?
it certainly was before Eleanor brought the child Rafael Jr. into the United States to begin his residence requirement under whatever naturalization statute you want to apply to the child of Canada for dual citizenship by the United States.

He became Canadian three years after his son Ted was born and four years after his marriage (1973- Ted was born in 1970- married 1969). They moved back to the US the next year. His becoming Canadian does not mean his wife was no longer a US citizen (besides the problem of it happening AFTER Ted was born which either way means she was US citizen at the time of his birth which is the important thing).

 

[Jan2017]

So you don't have proof that she gave up her US citizenship.

14 years without Eleanor filing US taxes enough fer ya' ?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

He became Canadian three years after his son Ted was born and four years after his marriage (1973- Ted was born in 1970- married 1969). They moved back to the US the next year. His becoming Canadian does not mean his wife was no longer a US citizen (besides the problem of it happening AFTER Ted was born which either way means she was US citizen at the time of his birth which is the important thing).

His becoming a Canadian citizen means according to Canadian law at that time, she was a canadian citizen.