Trump + NRA to discuss banning the 2A for those on the "list".

[bunklocoempire]

He's better than Hillary.

"Hillary", is not the required qualifications for the position. The required qualifications have to do with a clear understanding of the 2A.

 

[jmdrake]

Fascists gonna fasce.

Of course it's a dangerous precendent, the very worst of the worst.

Losing fundamental rights because you are secretly placed on a secret government list.

People have lost their minds, and freedom is not popular.

GTFO while you can.

GTFO and go where? Mars?

Seriously though, this is the sum of all fears. The "liberty" movement got co-opted into supporting the most anti-liberty candidate imaginable. Hell, I doubt even Jeb Bush would have openly closed ranks with Rahm Emmanuel on the gun issue.

 

[openfire]

Mitch McConnell Says He May Be ‘Open’ to Post-Orlando Gun Control

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) says he be may be “open” to placing new gun controls on law-abiding citizens following the terror attack on Pulse Orlando.

WTF?

 

[brushfire]

How do we find out if we are on the list?

A warrant and due process? duhhh...

HA HA! Nnnnnot!

 

[Anti Federalist]

GTFO and go where? Mars?

Anywhere...it's better than the gulag.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You are, of course, 100% correct. And this is what happens when idiots say things like "Who cares about the no fly list? You don't have to fly." Or "Who cares about naked body scanners? I have nothing to hide." Some of those people used to post here regularly. (BlackTerrel comes to mind.) The rest of us saw what was happening. We are slowly being conditioned to accept more and more tyranny.

Here's a question. Why was one gunman in Orlando able to kill over 10 times more people than two gunmen in Tel Aviv? Because armed security in Tel Aviv shot back! Good guys with guns are the only antidote to bad guys with guns.

The "armed security" in Orlando retreated and took cover for three hours...

 

[erowe1]

Fair enough. I can respect that position. But I must say, that's the first time I've heard someone accuse the NRA of trying to destroy the 2nd.

Seriously?

 

[openfire]

Seriously?

Yes. I was honestly unaware that there are a contingent of 2nd amendment advocates who believe that the NRA is trying to destroy the 2nd. Now I know.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes. I was honestly unaware that there are a contingent of 2nd amendment advocates who believe that the NRA is trying to destroy the 2nd. Now I know.

So who was it who opened that account you're using eight years ago?

 

[unknown]

Here's what you missed from your own quote.

“The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing,” Cox said in the statement.

“If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist,” he continued. “At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.”

So Trump's position, which is equivalent to Rahm Emmanuel's position, is for a gun ban for anyone on the terror watch list. The NRA's position is for a delay of the sale while the government investigates to see if the person has actually committed a crime. If the person has committed a crime, then prosecute him. If he's convicted, and his conviction is a felony, then he's lost his right to bear arms through due process. Trump said nothing about due process or a "delay" in his tweet. Of course if enough people put pressure on him he will "qualify" his statement to be more in line with the NRA (not that I actually trust the NRA to protect gun rights either) and that is what I'm hoping for. We must keep the pressure on this charlatan. He is the GOP nominee. The advantage over Hillary, and it's a small advantage, is that he actually needs people who support the 2nd amendment to vote for him. Thus he might be persuaded to do the right thing. But if people like you keep insisting on making excuses for him, the pressure needed for him to do the right thing will dissipate. Quit making excuses for the man. Hold his feet to the fire. That's our only hope.

What a bizarre position.

Guilty until proven more guilty.

Dafuq?

 

[TheTexan]

Anywhere...it's better than the gulag.

The Gulag isn't so bad, I hear they have good pension plans

If you're a prisoner thats obv a different story

 

[georgiaboy]

....But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism....

 

[jmdrake]

What a bizarre position.

Guilty until proven more guilty.

Dafuq?

The bizarre has become the new normal. Liberty is the new black.

 

[jmdrake]

The "armed security" in Orlando retreated and took cover for three hours...

Sad. You know I've been thinking. Of course the left wants the sue the gun manufacturers. But why not sue the nightclub for not having adequate security? Makes more sense.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes. I was honestly unaware that there are a contingent of 2nd amendment advocates who believe that the NRA is trying to destroy the 2nd. Now I know.

And you've been here since 2008?

Negotiate Rights Away.

 

[Philmanoman]

He's better than Hillary.

See,this is why we think you Trump supporters are ignorant.
Someone else said in another thread "guarantee 100% he's better than Hillary"

These are fascinating claims to make with absolutely no evidence to back it up.(Oh wait my bad,other than he said some stuff)
I dont like Hillary even the slightest but I have a brain thats able to understand someone could be leaps and bounds worse than Hillary.

Should I have unwavering faith in the majority that they will avoid electing a monster worse than Hillary?

Ok maybe its not ignorant...maybe more of a severe lack of common sense.

 

[Philmanoman]

And you've been here since 2008?

Negotiate Rights Away.

Wheres the infamous video of that Jauquin fella or whatever his name is...big wig of the NRA?...dont know if he still is.
Calling for limiting guns to 6 shots...\

 

[erowe1]

What a bizarre position.

Guilty until proven more guilty.

Dafuq?

Actually, there already is a law that treats people as guilty without any due process and prohibits them from buying guns in a similar way to Trump's plan, and that's the ban on sale of guns to all people with restraining orders against them.

That's one of the currently existing gun laws that irks me most, partly because of how I've seen it enacted against someone I know.

 

[nikcers]

Most of the anti terrorism shit is targeted against citizens and not terrorists. This is why we have tanks in our streets. We figured out that if we import terrorism here, then we can use that as an excuse to say that some people aren't responsible enough to use guns, and if you can apply excuse that to some people, then you can apply it to everyone and call it equality.

 

[Fivezeroes]

I'm not sure how I feel about this, on one side it's a good idea but on the other side it opens up a Pandora's Box.