Trump: My Investigators in Hawaii, Can't Believe What They're Finding - Obama Birth Cert

[iGGz]

Is that he saying "Bro" ?

 

[Romulus]

You must admit ... this is mighty strange coming from a person who gives $50,000 to Rahm Emanuel.

Strange indeed..

Prediction:

Trump will continue to run his birther campaign, garnering mass amounts of support leading up to the election. Months before the election, Obama will provide a birth certificate effectively killing the movement and making all the Republicans who jumped on the band-wagon look like morons. He'll then win the election.

Now, to the birthers here, I'm not saying that Obama is / is not a citizen, I'm merely saying this is a plausible tactic Obama could be using. He's the president, he could easily forge a birth certificate.

It's a stunt... and that's a plausible scenario. Think about it. Even one does not exist, what is stopping them from creating a fake one?

 

[kahless]

Nah. No one seriously thinks this pseudo-populist clown can win the nomination. Try this: They think they can get the birthers to split off of Ron Paul and go with Trump, because anyone who is a one-issue voter on any subject is just dumb enough to vote for Trump. Thus, in theory, costing Paul the nomination.

In practice, this is a massive fail. But the Beltway is full of ivory towers, and they in turn are full of the clueless.

The establishment is so easy read if you follow politics and the media over the years. I remember having these discussions back 10 years and people laughed when I said they were preparing Obama during his Senate run, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump for president.

If he enters the race I believe there is a high probability he could win. We could see a 3 way race between Ronmey, Trump and Paul. If Trump wins the primary final ticket would likely be Trump/Romney.

 

[kahless]

They did over a year ago when they showed the birth certificate. Then the crazies said it wasn't good enough.

The outrage is legitimate. There is not one error in Obama's birth records. None. Whatsoever. Put it to rest. It's embarrassing.

It is a certificate of live birth which is bullshit.

This is Trump pursuing it and not Ron Paul. So why do you care and wish Trump to shut his mouth on this subject other than to protect the MSM whom carry the water for Obama.

 

[AParadigmShift]

Nothingness? His straight talk covered the economy, government spending and foreign policy as well. He put things in terms the average viewer can easily understand unlike those whom maybe running against him. If people believe Obama was born here then they should have no fear or outrage when light is being shed on this subject. Obama could have put this to rest long ago and has created either intentionally or unintentionally by not putting this issue to rest once and for all.

That's right, nothingness.

If you're one of the multitude who go ga-ga over a self-promoting blowhard wondering about the whereabouts of state-issued paper, then I can see how the above interview was a +10.

 

[kahless]

That's right, nothingness.

If you're one of the multitude who go ga-ga over a self-promoting blowhard wondering about the whereabouts of state-issued paper, then I can see how the above interview was a +10.

That group is made up of millions of ignorant sheep that vote for President like it is American idol. I am not a big fan of Trump, however he looks good when you compare him to any of the globalist, establishment, big government elite candidates. His points on government spending, the economy and healthcare is a +10 when you put it up against Romney or Obama.

If Ron Paul can't pull it off in the Republican primary and the choice is between mandatory government healthcare Obama or Trump, then I would have to go with Trump. He maybe a blowhard but being a little blowhard is want is needed sometimes to get the sheep to vote for you and Obama out of the white house.

I have really nothing against Trump but have been saying for 10 years I would never vote for him as President when they put him. It however does not look like we will have much of a choice if the race is between him and Obama since another 4 years of Obama would be far far worse.

 

[jack555]

They did over a year ago when they showed the birth certificate. Then the crazies said it wasn't good enough.

The outrage is legitimate. There is not one error in Obama's birth records. None. Whatsoever. Put it to rest. It's embarrassing.

im not an expert on the subject but I believe they showed a certificate or live birth...not a birth certificate

Obama has certainly not proven he was born in the U.S. The question is does a president have to prove it and so far the answer is no.

 

[dbill27]

Hasn't ron delivered over 4000 babies? Bet he can't remember most of them and probably at this point doesn't have receipts of payment or records from lots of them, let alone babies born 50 years ago. Next thing donalds going to be saying is that its pretty strange that no doctor remembers obama being born. Trump is an idiot, but he in no way actually believes what he's saying, he's just jumping in front of a bandwagon.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Hasn't ron delivered over 4000 babies? Bet he can't remember most of them and probably at this point doesn't have receipts of payment or records from lots of them, let alone babies born 50 years ago. Next thing donalds going to be saying is that its pretty strange that no doctor remembers obama being born. Trump is an idiot, but he in no way actually believes what he's saying, he's just jumping in front of a bandwagon.

He's already said the bit about doctors lol.

 

[nate895]

im not an expert on the subject but I believe they showed a certificate or live birth...not a birth certificate

Obama has certainly not proven he was born in the U.S. The question is does a president have to prove it and so far the answer is no.

Another question to ask is whether you have to be born in the U.S. to be a natural born citizen. There are two legal concepts related to natural born citizenship, and the U.S. has subscribed to both:

Jus Soli (by soil) is where any person born on the soil of a country is automatically a citizen. This is actually a legal innovation that has come about since the end of serfdom and slavery. Before serfdom slavery was abolished globally, pretty much everyone used jus sanguis, which is where in order to be a citizen you have to be born to a parent who is a citizen. It could be based on the citizenship of the mother or father, just the father, or both parents had to be citizens. The only example where only birth from the mother is accepted, that I can think of at least, is in the rare case of the State of Israel and Jewish identity. The U.S. because it had slavery at one point must retain jus sanguis in some form by virtue of common law (an inclusive form would be chosen in the absence of an ancient statute or organic law overturning that). In order to overturn that, there would have to be constitutional amendments in the 50 states, since they are in charge of natural born citizenship (10th amendment). The Congress only has authority over naturalization processes, and only in a way to establish uniformity across the states.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Prediction:

Trump will continue to run his birther campaign, garnering mass amounts of support leading up to the election. Months before the election, Obama will provide a birth certificate effectively killing the movement and making all the Republicans who jumped on the band-wagon look like morons. He'll then win the election.

Now, to the birthers here, I'm not saying that Obama is / is not a citizen, I'm merely saying this is a plausible tactic Obama could be using. He's the president, he could easily forge a birth certificate.

The problem with that is that Obama will have to do a lot of explaining as to why it took him 4 years to release it and why he had to spend over $2 million in legal fees during his 4 years.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

Reasons this is still in debate:
#1) Is that the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth can be issued to families in which a child is born overseas...
#2) "For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.”

The state of Hawaii will give a certificate of birth in the case of a person born in a foreign country. Why would they do that? Well, most babies born overseas to American parents get US citizenship through the parents. The exception to this would be a child born to mixed parents (meaning one US parent and one foreigner) and if the American parent did not meet certain age and US residency requirements. Barack’s father was never a US citizen. Barack’s mother, Ann Dunham Obama, was under the minimum age, 19 years old, so she could not have transferred US citizenship to her baby.

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-i...es-not-mean-obama-is-a-us-citizen-2_7275.html

Then there is the whole Indonesian citizenship thing...
Then there is the grandma video saying he was born in kenya...
Then there is the Connecticut issued SSN scandal...
Then there is the fact that day one in office he had all his records sealed...

That should clear up why some people question his citizenship.

If being president requires that you be a natural born citizen, then yes I believe you should have to submit proof of this to the public BEFORE running.

 

[qh4dotcom]

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-i...es-not-mean-obama-is-a-us-citizen-2_7275.html

Then there is the whole Indonesian citizenship thing...
Then there is the grandma video saying he was born in kenya...
Then there is the Connecticut issued SSN scandal...
Then there is the fact that day one in office he had all his records sealed...

That should clear up why some people question his citizenship.

If being president requires that you be a natural born citizen, then yes I believe you should have to submit proof of this to the public BEFORE running.

You forgot Michelle saying that Kenya is Barack's home country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

 

[Zippyjuan]

#1) Is that the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth can be issued to families in which a child is born overseas...

Only since the 1980's. Obama wasn't born in the 1980's.

Then there is the grandma video saying he was born in kenya...

She said what? Really? Let me quote from the interview (the YouTube videos conveniently leave off this part):
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

(And perhaps it should be noted that Mombasa is in the opposite side of the whole country of Kenya from where his family lived. His mother would have had to fly to Kenya and then travel in the opposite direction from his relatives to give birth there- Nairobi was the only international airport at the time and Mombasa is to the east of there and the Obama ancestoral homelands to the west.)

Full version of the interview (see about five minutes in):

 

[Wicklowwolf]

If Obama was born in the US as he claims, why then can't he produce his birth certificate and has spent over half a million $$$ so far to seal all his personal records? What is Barry Soetoro (that's Obama's real name!) hiding??? Answer: his Kenyan birth and Indonesian citizenship. Both render him ineligible to serve as POTUS.

 

[qh4dotcom]

You must admit ... this is mighty strange coming from a person who gives $50,000 to Rahm Emanuel.

I see it as Trump has a big ego and that big ego wants to see an Obama birth certificate and he won't stop talking until he sees it....hopefully Trump has plenty of security because Obama likes to punish his enemies.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

“all you would have to do is look at the travel visas and see.”

So is there any truth to that?

It was easy to smuggle back then.

 

[TheNcredibleEgg]

The simple reason (without having delved into the facts) I think Obama is an American citizen:

Someone, somewhere in our massive gov't (at the time run by GWB) would have leaked the documents a long time ago if there anything amiss.

Reverse cynicism or whatever you call it - but that's why I have no doubts of his citizenship.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Nobody leaked the documents Obama has sealed.

The simple reason (without having delved into the facts) I think Obama is an American citizen:

Someone, somewhere in our massive gov't (at the time run by GWB) would have leaked the documents a long time ago if there anything amiss.

Reverse cynicism or whatever you call it - but that's why I have no doubts of his citizenship.

 

[FrankRep]

Release the document already!!

April 7: Hawaii appeals court rejects 'birther' appeal
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110407/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

A Hawaii appeals court has rejected a man's request to "inspect and copy" President Barack Obama's birth certificate, saying the plaintiff failed to state a valid claim to having access to the document.​

Dude!