Trump: My Investigators in Hawaii, Can't Believe What They're Finding - Obama Birth Cert

[TheNcredibleEgg]

Nobody leaked the documents Obama has sealed.

Because I would say there is nothing in the document worth leaking.

You also have to consider Hillary Clinton would have been Pres if not for Obama - and with her and Bill's connections in the gov't - if there was anything to the birther story - the Clintons would have outted him before he won the nomination.

I just think common cynical sense says there is nothing to the story.

 

[nate895]

Reasons this is still in debate:
#1) Is that the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth can be issued to families in which a child is born overseas...
#2) "For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.”



http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-i...es-not-mean-obama-is-a-us-citizen-2_7275.html

Then there is the whole Indonesian citizenship thing...
Then there is the grandma video saying he was born in kenya...
Then there is the Connecticut issued SSN scandal...
Then there is the fact that day one in office he had all his records sealed...

That should clear up why some people question his citizenship.

If being president requires that you be a natural born citizen, then yes I believe you should have to submit proof of this to the public BEFORE running.

His mom was a citizen at the time of his birth, therefore he is a natural born citizen, whether or not he possesses citizenship in another country. Obtaining citizenship has always been by blood up until slavery was abolished. The only point that would be possible to dispute is that his father was from the British Empire, so you could argue that he inherited the citizenship of his father and not his mother, but his identity is clearly American as opposed to British. He even gave rather insulting gifts to the Queen to prove his point, so a court would have to take that into consideration as well.

 

[Magsec]

What passes as proof of citizenship for the people in the Hawaiian hospital born a couple weeks before/after Obama was born, and have any of those people showed far different birth documentation than Obama has? Besides, no one brings up the fact that McCain was born in Panama anymore.

 

[nate895]

What passes as proof of citizenship for the people in the Hawaiian hospital born a couple weeks before/after Obama was born, and have any of those people showed far different birth documentation than Obama has? Besides, no one brings up the fact that McCain was born in Panama anymore.

McCain was born to U.S. citizens. He is, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States.

 

[torchbearer]

McCain was born to U.S. citizens. He is, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States.

maybe you don't realize the original intent was meant that you were actually born in one of the states in these united states.
i guess you are using the forced "un"-ratified 14th amendment non-state citizen amendment for your distortion of the natural born citizen clause.
i tired of people's ignorance. you get the government you deserve. fuck the ignorant. i laugh as we sink into shit.

 

[dannno]

Because I would say there is nothing in the document worth leaking.

You also have to consider Hillary Clinton would have been Pres if not for Obama - and with her and Bill's connections in the gov't - if there was anything to the birther story - the Clintons would have outted him before he won the nomination.

I just think common cynical sense says there is nothing to the story.

Or they used it to blackmail him into making her Sec. of State and following the same agenda... What's the difference who is President if they are following the agenda?

 

[nate895]

maybe you don't realize the original intent was meant that you were actually born in one of the states in these united states.
i guess you are using the forced "un"-ratified 14th amendment non-state citizen amendment for your distortion of the natural born citizen clause.
i tired of people's ignorance. you get the government you deserve. fuck the ignorant. i laugh as we sink into shit.

I don't think you read what I wrote in another post on this thread (#30).

 

[torchbearer]

I don't think you read what I wrote in another post on this thread (#30).

citizenship "was" grant to those born in these states. they were to be a citizen of the state they were born in. those children "were" eligible for the office of president.
any part of that confusing?

 

[nate895]

citizenship "was" grant to those born in these states. they were to be a citizen of the state they were born in. those children "were" eligible for the office of president.
any part of that confusing?

I still don't think you've read my earlier post. You're attacking a straw man. I know I'm just an idiot on the internet to you, but my statement has an easily accessible context that you refuse to consider.

 

[torchbearer]

I still don't think you've read my earlier post. You're attacking a straw man. I know I'm just an idiot on the internet to you, but my statement has an easily accessible context that you refuse to consider.

i'm the idiot obviously because i only consider the intent of the people who wrote the document.
they really did try to make it simple.

 

[Aratus]

trump just took the birther stance mainstream

it's one further issue in any future debate...

 

[AuH20]

The simple reason (without having delved into the facts) I think Obama is an American citizen:

Someone, somewhere in our massive gov't (at the time run by GWB) would have leaked the documents a long time ago if there anything amiss.

Reverse cynicism or whatever you call it - but that's why I have no doubts of his citizenship.

Gimme a break. GWB ignored and covered up Clinton's crimes. The two party structure is as genuine as the World Wrestling Federation.

 

[nate895]

i'm the idiot obviously because i only consider the intent of the people who wrote the document.
they really did try to make it simple.

The Constitution says nothing about who is a natural born citizen. I was pointing the legal roots of natural born citizenship.

BTW, what happened since last time you posted? I would not guess by your posts that you're the same torch.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Ok what did they find then?

 

[qh4dotcom]

 

[torchbearer]

The Constitution says nothing about who is a natural born citizen. I was pointing the legal roots of natural born citizenship.

BTW, what happened since last time you posted? I would not guess by your posts that you're the same torch.

John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention. Jay wrote:

Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

from: Heard, Alexander and Nelson, Michael page 123


The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in "American law" "have changed" since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the
citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790,. note no changes to the founders intent was changed, just the "living" consitution that required obviously no amendment.

The definition of the United States, for nationality purposes, was expanded in 1952 to add Guam, and in 1986 it was expanded again to include the Northern Mariana Islands. Persons born in these territories (in addition to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands) currently acquire U.S. citizenship at birth on the same terms as persons born in other parts of the United States. The category of outlying possessions of the United States (whose inhabitants generally have U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship) is now restricted to American Samoa and Swains Island

note kenya and indonesia are not included. it is in the original intent to only give those known to have no other loyalties, no citizenship to other countries, the office of commander over our armed forces.
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[nate895]

John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention. Jay wrote:

Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

from: Heard, Alexander and Nelson, Michael page 123


The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in "American law" "have changed" since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the
citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790,. note no changes to the founders intent was changed, just the "living" consitution that required obviously no amendment.

The definition of the United States, for nationality purposes, was expanded in 1952 to add Guam, and in 1986 it was expanded again to include the Northern Mariana Islands. Persons born in these territories (in addition to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands) currently acquire U.S. citizenship at birth on the same terms as persons born in other parts of the United States. The category of outlying possessions of the United States (whose inhabitants generally have U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship) is now restricted to American Samoa and Swains Island Regarding people born at U.S. military bases in foreign countries, current U.S. State Department policy.

note kenya and indonesia are not included, nor is it in the original intent to only give those known to have no other loyalties the office of commander over our armed forces.
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None of what you are posting overturns my point from post 30. In fact, some of it backs it up.

 

[torchbearer]

None of what you are posting overturns my point from post 30. In fact, some of it backs it up.

under the laws at the time of obama's birth, his father being a citizen of the british empire would infer british citizenship to his children, making his child both a citizen of the place of his birth, but foremost a citizen of britain. making our commander-in-chief both loyal to the state he was born and loyal to the foreign government of britain.
not the person you want in charge of your military.
a person with loyalty only to his state should hold such power.

 

[steve005]

I wish people would just force him back to africa

 

[torchbearer]

I wish people would just force him back to africa

he can legally become a senator or rep, just not pres.