Trump-Kasich Feud Has GOP Worried About Ohio

silverhandorder said:
That is one of the most retarded replies I read in a while. We can speak our mind here in any way you like. Have a problem with that? Too bad Brian owns the forum.

Brian can have his pet project and we can choose or not choose to support it or participate.
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I suggest you read the site policies again. There are most definitely things you cannot say on here (without risk of negative consequences). The member in question has often complained about this, I was just explaining to him why he has no standing to make those complaints.
 
CPUd said:
You seem to be in disagreement with the site policy, Bryan has provided a framework to resolve disagreements of this nature. Instead, you refuse to use that framework.
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The framework is flawed and part of what is under dispute, as I have expressed before. But you seem to not understand this is mainly not about a evaluating a particular candidate, but about the direction of the movement in general. I have several times talked about leaving Trump out of the issue, but found many here do not want to address it even apart from discussing a given candidate.

Ron Paul's "right way to win" plan from 2012 was about growing or maximizing the core liberty base, which I believe he did from 5% to 10% across 2008-2012. Rand arguably shrunk the base back to 5% in the past year. But winning elections is about engaging voting blocs beyond the base. Emphasizing our core issues can grow the liberty base, but it cannot by itself create voting coalitions that win elections, nor displace the statist establishment. With or without a Trump in the picture, showing us an example as to how to do it, the movement still needs to do those two things.

The movement has been splintering because many are failing to move towards incorporating those other two dynamics. They remain stuck at being exclusively Paul and issue-centered, having learned nothing from the last three failed campaigns. Engaging in coalition-building and the anti-establishment voters is not going in the opposite direction, it’s about going in a liberty-building direction by not staying stuck in 2007.

It’s not about our 5% base and beating up the other candidates, it’s about attracting more voters to us. It’s about connecting with them, not insulting them by bashing everything about the candidates who DO connect with them. It’s not about the Paul following, or about viewing either Paul as the perpetual center of the liberty universe, it’s about reaching beyond the following to show how the liberty approach engages the concerns of most voters.
 
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Maximizing the core liberty base by not educating people in being self responsible and autonomous, but accepting arm twisting and berating anyone who disagrees with the new "converts" pet projects that will result in massive losses of liberty and personal income if brought to fruition. Smh...

You cannot grow the liberty movement by become bigger authoritarians. That is growing the authoritarian movement under the guise of being for liberty. It is a con job.
 
moostraks said:
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Now how are liberty folks going to use this to problem to their advantage? (Please see upper right hand corner if you are confused about liberty folks supported by this forum)
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is that a helmet?
 
Peace&Freedom said:
laughably over-selling Trump as having a "radically anti-libertarian record and agenda." It has been pointed out time and again that he has in fact many net anti-statist positions, that his candidacy has strategically benefited the liberty movement, and has many leading libertarians supporting him..
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How does trump help the liberty movement? He is running on a anti-libertarian platform when people don't even care what he is saying. He could be running on a Ron Paul platform and be doing just as good because of his celebrity. How is that helping the liberty movement? Trump helped the establishment beat the liberty movement, he ran against us in the 2011 Iowa caucus and told everyone a vote for Ron Paul would be a wasted vote when we should of won Iowa. He has been the worst thing to happen to the liberty movement.
 
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nikcers said:
How does trump help the liberty movement? He is running on a anti-libertarian platform when people don't even care what he is saying. He could be running on a Ron Paul platform and be doing just as good because of his celebrity. How is that helping the liberty movement? Trump helped the establishment beat the liberty movement, he ran against us in the 2011 Iowa caucus and told everyone a vote for Ron Paul would be a wasted vote when we should of won Iowa. He has been the worst thing to happen to the liberty movement.
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To repeat, yet again, the basics: Trump ran a campaign that is thematically and strategically helpful to liberty. The Pauls failed because they could not or would not seriously engage the voting blocs needed to win the primaries, and would not aggressively confront the elite leadership, donors and media who obstruct alternatives to the 'mainstream' agenda. Trump showed the movement how to do both, which can be customized to our purposes in future cycles. As pointed out before, on several particulars Trump is definitely the net less statist alternative in the election. At least for 2016, strategically, he has been the best thing to happen to the liberty movement.
 
Peace&Freedom said:
To repeat, yet again, the basics: Trump ran a campaign that is thematically and strategically helpful to liberty. The Pauls failed because they could not or would not seriously engage the voting blocs needed to win the primaries, and would not aggressively confront the elite leadership, donors and media who obstruct alternatives to the 'mainstream' agenda. Trump showed the movement how to do both, which can be customized to our purposes in future cycles. As pointed out before, on several particulars Trump is definitely the net less statist alternative in the election. At least for 2016, strategically, he has been the best thing to happen to the liberty movement.
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How is advocating for the police state helpful to liberty?

How is the Trump campaign partnership with the party elites helpful to liberty?
 
Peace&Freedom said:
To repeat, yet again, the basics: Trump ran a campaign that is thematically and strategically helpful to liberty. The Pauls failed because they could not or would not seriously engage the voting blocs needed to win the primaries, and would not aggressively confront the elite leadership, donors and media who obstruct alternatives to the 'mainstream' agenda. Trump showed the movement how to do both, which can be customized to our purposes in future cycles. As pointed out before, on several particulars Trump is definitely the net less statist alternative in the election. At least for 2016, strategically, he has been the best thing to happen to the liberty movement.
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Trump shoved the neocons to the side and now he's waging war against the dominant political machine in this country. He's like a huge blender breaking down the solids for us to digest. . .
 
Peace&Freedom said:
To repeat, yet again, the basics: Trump ran a campaign that is thematically and strategically helpful to liberty. The Pauls failed because they could not or would not seriously engage the voting blocs needed to win the primaries, and would not aggressively confront the elite leadership, donors and media who obstruct alternatives to the 'mainstream' agenda. Trump showed the movement how to do both, which can be customized to our purposes in future cycles. As pointed out before, on several particulars Trump is definitely the net less statist alternative in the election. At least for 2016, strategically, he has been the best thing to happen to the liberty movement.
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Trump shoved the neocons to the side and now he's waging war against the dominant political machine in this country. He's like a huge blender breaking down the troublesome solids for us to digest. . .
 
AuH20 said:
Trump shoved the neocons to the side and now he's waging war against the dominant political machine in this country. He's like a huge blender breaking down the solids for us to digest. . .
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Looks more like Trump brought the neocons into his campaign.
 
Peace&Freedom said:
To repeat, yet again, the basics: Trump ran a campaign that is thematically and strategically helpful to liberty.
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To repeat, yet again; that's nonsense.

His policies and overall themes are anti-liberty, and the practical effect of his campaign was to crowd out pro-liberty candidates.

...conning otherwise libertarian/conservative-leaning Boobuses into supporting the status quo.

As pointed out before, on several particulars Trump is definitely the net less statist alternative in the election.
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No, he isn't.

Trump Opposition Research Thread
 
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3 days later, this idiot still running against Republicans:

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^^ he's talking about Mike Lee.
 
So Trump people don't think he is going neocon. But anti Trump people of course know better. It's like a republican telling a progressive that Bernie will not raise minimum wage.

Also Libertarians and anti war libertarians are backing Trump. Walter Block, Justin Raimondo, Stefan Moleneux.
Neocons hate him. Bill Kristol, Eric Ericson, Glen Beck.

Nuff said on that front.

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Cruz and Mike Lee made their bed. They are standing in Trumps way he is going to destroy them.
 
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Kashich is such a dolt. He couldn't support Trump, for Trump is not sufficiently anti Russian and anti Assad. I so despise the idiots in the GOP establishment.
 
Even if Kasich helped it wouldnt matter. The only thing that would accomplish is hurting Kasich's future political goals.

Trump is a buffoon and will lose in a landslide when it actually comes down to voting. Too much disunity in the GOP and his racist nonsense and inexperience will turn off a majority of independents. If the opponent wasnt Clinton hed be down by more than 10.
 
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