Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

[osan]

https://youtu.be/NNwUzStpoog?t=9m22s Well yeah if we assume that Ron Paul is right, and Trumpism is the opposite of Ron Paul libertarianism then that's why he received the opposite amount of media coverage.

Ron Paul is not God, for Pete's sake. He has been wrong on issues before and will be again, most likely.

An error he APPEARS to be making, and I must state up front that I am asserting this based only on headlines and not any of his more substantive words, is coming to premature conclusions about Trump. If headlines are reflective of the larger content, then is would seem Dr. Paul is jumping to some conclusions, or at least expressing himself in ways that give that impression. Or it's just more of the same old deceptive troll-bail headlining.

In any event, I am confident that Trump's vision of heaven in America cannot rise to my own. At this point, it is not an issue for me. A more realistic hope is that Trump leads the nation to non-trivial improvements. Even that may be too much for which to hope, but I'm willing to go that far out on a limb.

 

[osan]

This election was a referendum.

Very possibly so.

Any other attempt at an explanation is, in my view, a waste of bandwidth.

I would not go that far just yet. There are numerous possibilities of similar validity.

 

[osan]

this article brought by the same people who would claim the elites were going to prevent him from winning... trump isnt the elites pick but he overcame the obstacles thru his business experience and thats pretty much that.

Not sure that quite explains his tenacity in a race that was quick to burn away the chaff... Rubio, Cruz, etc.

It may have been more his showmanship, spewing his little gems in dribs and drabs enough to keep people watching, even if they loved hating him.

But I would agree that he read the mood very well, as wel as the proportions and their distributions.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Not sure why the seemingly bitter sarcasm. So the guy is tooting his horn a bit. The rest of what he wrote it pretty reasonable.

It's a joke. See? Nothing bitter.

Look, as of early February, Trump was the only one with any path to the nomination, he had it virtually locked up. In March he was even more clearly winning. His opposition would have had to win 90% of the remaining contests and delegates or something. Which -- surprise -- was not going to happen! To "predict" it was not going to happen is not something to brag about.

As of March Hillary was not dominating as clearly as Trump, but she also had an overwhelming lead and it would have been virtually impossible to conceive of Socialist Sanders coming back by, again, winning 70% of the remaining states or whatever he would have had to do.

The point is: it is a totally ridiculous thing to be tooting one's horn about! It is ludicrous. He just hopes no one 1) actually thinks for two seconds and 2) also happens to remember dates and trivia such as that the race was all sewn up as of March, 2016. And I'm sure he's right. But that makes it all the more annoying. So I had to point it out, so that at least someone other than me would notice. That is all.

 

[osan]

This is patently false. The fact is that an enormous percentage of liberty activists more than "entertained" the notion that Trump was an establishment charade. And (the author of this article better sit down for this..) Trump was most certainly not elected by liberty activists in any significant way.

Not so fast. It is patently unproven. It may prove out later. Or not.

How does Brexit serve the elites?

I can of one possibility right off the bat - the longer-view possibility, that is.

The EU forms and the inevitable troubles arise most predictably, given the rotten foundations upon which the architecture is built. Think "Greece". Think "France". Think "Ireland". Then think who paid for those debacles: Germany first, and England next in line. Predictably, too, came the screaming and yelling from people justly pissed off about it all. That's a lot of people, too.

Remember that we likely do not see that Theye see. Doesn't mean Theye are always right we we are wrong. It only means they may see things we do not; things that prompt them in ways others cannot see.

So what if Theye saw potential blood conflict arising in the wake of the whiny, shitty Greeks demanding all their free stuff like tantrum-pitching brats? Such conflict may been seen as representing a serious threat to their hold on Europe amid what may prove to be a rising tide of the basic instincts for self-preservation in the people of Western Europe. If we assume this to be the case, then it may behoove them to allow one nation, in this case the UK, to abscond, the specific intention being to bring upon the people of that now-rogue nation to eat of the most bitter economic fruits imaginable, leaving them begging to be let back in.

Sure you can come back. Just sign this piece of paper, friend.

That issue is as globalist as things get. Bet your hide that Theye stand to become very cleverly oblique in their approach to dealing with such threats.

 

[osan]

The point is: it is a totally ridiculous thing to be tooting one's horn about! It is ludicrous.

Perhaps so, but that sort of thing carries less significance for me than do the more substantive portions of the article, which were not bad.

Toor your horn all you like. I'm just trying to understand things and grab the slivers of truth such as I am able.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Perhaps so, but that sort of thing carries less significance for me than do the more substantive portions of the article, which were not bad.

Toot your horn all you like. I'm just trying to understand things and grab the slivers of truth such as I am able.

True. Reasonable enough.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

THIS^^^ was my POV from the beginning.

It seemed obvious that the MSM was supporting Trump through all the 24/7 "negative" news. while RP was He Who Must Not Be Named. If they had ignored Trump like Ron Paul, then I would have assumed he was a danger. As it was, Trump was made to seem like THE candidate to make voters think they were fighting the system, only to have the system win.

Only if you hold certain assumptions. Change those and things seem otherwise obvious.

MSM may have had no intention of supporting him. Trump's deal was pretty much out of left-field. It could all be orchestrated, but assuming things are not that utterly controlled, the Trump campaign was certainly looked upon as a joke by a great multitude. After six months the novelty had begun to wear and Donald's growing popularity may well have perplexed Themme for quite awhile. Being presumably human, Theye too are prone to normalcy bias. It is not at all inconceivable that they simply sat, watching in a fascinated stupor of sorts, waiting for a bubble bursting that, as it turned out, would never happen. Heaven knows Theye had plenty of basis for thinking he was a flash in the pan. By the time Theye came to see that this had become real, it was likely already too late. Just look at all the grave errors the Clinton campanign made, possible proof that these people are not supermen.

I admit my curiosity is piqued and I am anxious to see how it all pans out, though I am not looking forward to the likely disappointment.

And here we can talk about a conspiracy that I would call highly likely, almost to the point of being confirmed by some leaks and comments from the media.

As a disclaimer, I believe that the establishment is a loosely aligned group of oligarchs and plutocrats, thus full agreement and tight coordination would not be likely in any scenario. More than anything, their agendas often align naturally, especially when it comes to identifying their competition.

But let's talk about a conspiracy between the Clinton campaign and the leftist MSM. Let's keep it simple:

Hypothesis: Trump was encouraged to enter the GOP Primary by the Clinton's, and was covered ad nauseam by the MSM during that primary. The simple purpose of this conspiracy: to throw him into the GOP primary like a hand grenade, a wrecking ball. He performed that task better than expected. It is entirely plausible that Trump was a willing and knowing participant in this covert mission, with the additional motivation of Trump's ego and desire for the spotlight.

Then it went off the rails. The Clinton's and MSM expected a damaged Jeb Bush or other GOP candidate to emerge from the primary. Instead, it was Trump. Now the coverage had to turn negative, and then the mission was to protect Hillary and take down Trump. And to everyone's shock, Trump won again.

The conspiracy thought that Trump winning the primary was unlikely. The idea of him winning the general was unthinkable, but they felt Trump as GOP candidate would still be a win for them. Trump would lose to Hillary so badly that it would be child's play.

The establishment put their money and loyalty behind Hillary. She was their candidate. Trump was the sabotage plan. It backfired.

 

[osan]

And here we can talk about a conspiracy that I would call highly likely, almost to the point of being confirmed by some leaks and comments from the media.

As a disclaimer, I believe that the establishment is a loosely aligned group of oligarchs and plutocrats, thus full agreement and tight coordination would not be likely in any scenario. More than anything, their agendas often align naturally, especially when it comes to identifying their competition.

But let's talk about a conspiracy between the Clinton campaign and the leftist MSM. Let's keep it simple:

Hypothesis: Trump was encouraged to enter the GOP Primary by the Clinton's, and was covered ad nauseam by the MSM during that primary. The simple purpose of this conspiracy: to throw him into the GOP primary like a hand grenade, a wrecking ball. He performed that task better than expected. It is entirely plausible that Trump was a willing and knowing participant in this covert mission, with the additional motivation of Trump's ego and desire for the spotlight.

Then it went off the rails. The Clinton's and MSM expected a damaged Jeb Bush or other GOP candidate to emerge from the primary. Instead, it was Trump. Now the coverage had to turn negative, and then the mission was to protect Hillary and take down Trump. And to everyone's shock, Trump won again.

The conspiracy thought that Trump winning the primary was unlikely. The idea of him winning the general was unthinkable, but they felt Trump as GOP candidate would still be a win for them. Trump would lose to Hillary so badly that it would be child's play.

The establishment put their money and loyalty behind Hillary. She was their candidate. Trump was the sabotage plan. It backfired.

Yet another possible scenario for our mastication.

The possibilities are many when the smaller details are taken into account. I am more inclined to think that this result was just one huge and nightmarish accident for Themme, rather than the product of an impossibly brilliant and Eville master plan. But I might be wrong.

Keep your powder dry and your bores clean. Just in case.

OBTW, apparently some armed forces personnel are raising questions as to why hundreds of thousands of 7.62x39 ammo are being warehoused by DoD. Good question.

Also, a trusted friend has relayed to be that there is apparently some very odd and massive construction going on in places one would not expect it. I don't recall what state, but apparently there is a GM manufacturing facility up there and the road on which it resides has been repaved to class-1 highway structural standards. The speed limits have been upped to 45 mph, which is the speed that the military vehicles observed going in and out of the area are most happy. And another weird thing claimed is that the facility has had all new fencing upgrades with full concertina-wire crowns, only they are on the INSIDE faces, not the outside.

Any thoughts? Anyone know anything at all about any of this?

 

[silverhandorder]

Occam's razor. Trump and his faction ripped power away from a faction that grown fat and lazy.

 

[Dangergirl]

If the elites have Trump where they want him, it's because we are failing. We have a movement of bullying, bickering, and whining. Where are our successes?

I don't believe Trump was a plant or was intended to be the chosen one. That was hilliary. The establishment was so cocksure that she would win that they underestimated Trump and the voters while they overestimated their ruse. But they've been so arrogant, they've been so blatant in their schemes, openly taking a dump on our Constitutional process for years with obamacare, ndda, nsa etc. They let their guard down. They took Trump as a non-threat and when hilliary was decided to be the one, they figured Trump would be easy to sway the public away from. A joke. No different then Ron Paul. The "unelectable". Little did they realize their ruse wasn't what they thought it was at all.

Ron's movement was the hidden truth. He was winning the delegates at first until they caught on. Ron smirked about it in public and they shut that down quick. Another four years later and they were waiting for Rand. They already owned Gary so no threat there. He makes a fool of himself and those he represents. We wear tinfoil hats etc. But then something something extraordinary happens and the most unbelievable trump card is thrown on the table. No one can make sense of it except that the only sense is that there is no secret plot to it. Trump won because people finally stood up and said enough. Most people probably voted Trump to keep hilliary out. That was my main motivation.

I think we're doing liberty an injustice when we waste our time and bicker among ourselves over who's more right then anyone else. Does Liberty ever stop just because "our guy" lost or becomes President? It obviously doesn't. We don't know what Trump will be but we do know there's a force that has been wrecking havoc on freedoms and liberty in a country that was founded on those principles. It's been 246 years that the establishment has been trying to dismantle The US Constitution. You really think we win this back in one fell swoop? The only way that happens is with a revolution.

We need to take every moment we have and every chance we get. God gave us a glorious chance here. The elitists were ousted for a mere moment and their greatest weapon, the msm, was knocked from their hands. But they're fighting back. They have mass amounts of resources, experience, and a heck of a head start on us. We should be focusing on how to take back as much as the field as possible while we can. How do we combat the influence of universities and other institutions that are indoctrinating the future generations? How do we defeat the influence of social media and "fake news"? How do we reverse the political and social policies that got us here? How do we talk to the people who wanted something different and educate those who have already been indoctrinated? WTF are we fighting each other over things that are? When do embrace our moment and change it? 2020 is too far to wait.

 

[silverhandorder]

If the elites have Trump where they want him, it's because we are failing. We have a movement of bullying, bickering, and whining. Where are our successes?

Trump. All the big voices of the movement rallied behind Trump. Bickering you see here is not the movement.

 

[jmdrake]

If Ron Paul says that Trumpism and Ron Paul Libertarianism are contradictory who's side are you on?

https://youtu.be/NNwUzStpoog?t=9m22s

Trump. All the big voices of the movement rallied behind Trump. Bickering you see here is not the movement.

Obviously Ron and Rand Paul are no longer the "big voices" of the movement. It's Alex Jones, Sarah Palin and Michael Savage.

 

[anaconda]

Perhaps so, but that sort of thing carries less significance for me than do the more substantive portions of the article, which were not bad.

Toor your horn all you like. I'm just trying to understand things and grab the slivers of truth such as I am able.

The point is: it is a totally ridiculous thing to be tooting one's horn about! It is ludicrous.

I did not make this statement. Not sure how I have been quoted as doing so.

 

[timosman]

I did not make this statement. Not sure how I have been quoted as doing so.

Isn't misquoting against forum rules? Should somebody go on vacation?

 

[anaconda]

Isn't misquoting against forum rules? Should somebody go on vacation?

Could be an honest mistake. I think one could accidentally type over the name on a quote and attempt to fill it back in, but get the name wrong. As an example. No big deal here.

 

[Cleaner44]

THIS^^^ was my POV from the beginning.

It seemed obvious that the MSM was supporting Trump through all the 24/7 "negative" news. while RP was He Who Must Not Be Named. If they had ignored Trump like Ron Paul, then I would have assumed he was a danger. As it was, Trump was made to seem like THE candidate to make voters think they were fighting the system, only to have the system win.

There are 2 factors that make Trump's campaign different. First, Trump is a larger than life character that demands the spotlight, while Ron Paul is a humble man that doesn't want to run people's lives. Second, the Democrats and MSM wanted Trump promoted and purposefully gave him attention because they erroneously thought he would be easy to defeat in the general election.

 

[RonPaulMall]

How does Brexit serve the elites?

Read the article. Everything that happens in the world happens because the elites wanted it to happen. If Ron Paul comes out of retirement and wins the Presidency in 2020 it is because he is a Bilderberg Plant.

 

[silverhandorder]

Obviously Ron and Rand Paul are no longer the "big voices" of the movement. It's Alex Jones, Sarah Palin and Michael Savage.

Alex Jones had big pull in RPF. I actually didn't like him for long time. Now I am neutral to him. I like his style but don't agree on his politics.

Sarah Palin is actually a cool lady.

Savage is a chameleon and I do not share his views.

RP and Rand are team Trump as far as I am concerned.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

This was the exact opposite tactic that the elitist controlled media used against true liberty candidate Ron Paul in 2012. With Paul, the media went out of their way to ignore him; they even refused to show a single Ron Paul campaign sign in a crowd if they could avoid it. This was a concerted systematic effort on the part of left AND right wing media outlets to ensure that no one outside of the internet heard about Ron Paul.

So what happened with Trump? Why did the mainstream media abandon a strategy that was very effective against Ron Paul, and why did they give Trump endless free coverage?

The elites also did not take very stringent measures to disrupt Trump’s candidacy early in the race. The Republican National Convention undertook a campaign of disinformation and rule changes in order to ensure that Ron Paul would have no chance of organizing an upset against establishment choice Mitt Romney. The same exact kind of treachery was used by the DNC in 2016 to sabotage Bernie Sanders — arguably a far more popular and effective candidate than Hillary Clinton. The party elites have numerous tools at their disposal to kill a candidate’s chances before he or she ever makes it on the national stage, yet, we are supposed to believe that Trump just slipped through the cracks, or beat them at their own game? I think not.

THIS^^^ was my POV from the beginning.

It seemed obvious that the MSM was supporting Trump through all the 24/7 "negative" news. while RP was He Who Must Not Be Named. If they had ignored Trump like Ron Paul, then I would have assumed he was a danger. As it was, Trump was made to seem like THE candidate to make voters think they were fighting the system, only to have the system win.

I've heard this contention before and it remains stupid. Who was Ron Paul before he blew up in the debates in 2008? He was a congressman from Texas who was popular with his constituents and in libertarian circles, but pretty unknown outside of those groups. He had a passionate base of supporters, but they were still the minority in the party. In 2012 he did better, but the problem was the same. Paul supporters could complain that the media was screwing him (and they were), but that didn't effect the rest of the party, so they didn't care.

Contrast that with Donald Trump. Who was he before running? He was a tremendously successful billionaire real estate mogul, a bestselling author, appeared in numerous films and TV shows and hosted an extremely popular reality show that ran many seasons and spawned similar shows in other countries. He's been a household name for decades and was an A-list celebrity before he ever ran for President. When he started talking about immigration after announcing his candidacy, he rocketed to the top of the polls and stayed there the entire time, pretty much. Not to mention he drew huge ratings in the debates and in interviews. The idea that the media could just ignore Trump the way they did Paul is laughable. These are apples and giraffes.

What the media was trying to do with Trump was obvious. They're used to controlling the narrative and they didn't realize just how much their influence has waned with the rise of new, alternative media. How many people has the media ruined with smears of racism? Particularly people on the right. It's worked for them for decades and they thought it would work again. Do you really think they were trying to help Trump with constant claims of racism, misogyny, "Islamophobia" and supposed associations with white supremacists? They only do this kind of stuff when they want to destroy people.

The absolute most you claim is that the legacy media wanted Trump to win the primaries to benefit Clinton and their ratings, only to fall to her in the actual election, which they obviously thought would happen.