Trump Goes to War Against Iran

[Swordsmyth]

The United States invaded Iraq. It was not justified. Once that happened, the US was in no position to be indignant about the next door neighbor of Iraq getting involved and killing US troops. To claim the US had or has any right to be indignant about it's forces getting killed by by a party they did not invade, while they were/are invaders and occupiers themselves, is madness. This is not about likeing the Iranian regime. It's about acknowledging that they had/have a legitimate interest in what goes on right next door. Western occupation of their neighbor poses a real threat to them.

We have just as much right to be indignant about someone we didn't attack killing us us Iraq had to be indignant that we attacked even though they did nothing to us.
Or are you going to say that Iraq had no right to be indignant we invaded when they attacked Kuwait?

Stop making excuses for Iran, Americans were not and are not fair game for Iran in Iraq.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm opposed to unjust wars. That's the biggest reason I supported Ron Paul. If some commie also happens to hold that position, I'm not going to change mine.

I also am opposed to unjust wars but killing an enemy who killed our men is not unjust and this is not a war.

And zippy is twisting the facts in that post.

 

[AngryCanadian]

We have just as much right to be indignant about someone we didn't attack killing us us Iraq had to be indignant that we attacked even though they did nothing to us.
Or are you going to say that Iraq had no right to be indignant we invaded when they attacked Kuwait?

Stop making excuses for Iran, Americans were not and are not fair game for Iran in Iraq.

Or are you going to say that Iraq had no right to be indignant we invaded when they attacked Kuwait?

Or like how you Americans sided with the terrorist Albanians KLA and attacked Serbia bombed it for 80 days, destroying and poisoning civilians? and forcing Serbia to accpet surrender and allow Kosovo to be military occupied even to this day?

You Americans really don't have a good world rep right now and this attack in Iraq agaisnt Iran is not going to help your world image.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Or like how you Americans sided with the terrorist Albanians KLA and attacked Serbia bombed it for 80 days, destroying and poisoning civilians? and forcing Serbia to accpet surrender and allow Kosovo to be military occupied even to this day?

You Americans really don't have a good world rep right now and this attack in Iraq agaisnt Iran is not going to help your world image.

Completely irrelevant.

 

[susano]

I hated to do it, but I had to break out the Wikipedia. The Kurds are Sunni.

This makes sense now, based on Hussein's attempted incursions into Iran.

Flashback to Scott Ritter's 2007ish "Calling Out Idiot America."





I have no clue, so let's get the $#@! out of the Middle East.

Some Kurds (PKK) are atheist communists, as well. Very complicated situation over there and all the more reason the US has no fucking business there.

 

[susano]

When you Americans imposed sanctions on Yugoslavia and in Bosnia it was impossible to buy or to find bread because of the prices had gone up because of the sanctions. Decades sanctions are still felt across the region.

The only way you had food was if you saw some Jihadists patrolling in some Muslim proxy groups occupied towns. Or at least if you stayed near the NATO/UN/American forces....

Are you Serb or from the former Yugoslavia?

Balkans. Even more complex than the middle east!

 

[susano]

Iran has been killing Americans in Iraq for many years.
They should have been thanking us for taking out Saddam for them.

The US and the Brits overthrew the elected govt of Iran, installed the Shah as a puppet, who was brutal to all Iranian dissenters which led to the backlash of of the Islamic revolution. The US backed Saddam Hussein in a war against iran in which hundreds of thousands were killed, including with chemical weapons. Then the US killed their puppet, Saddam. The Iranians were/are not about to thank the US for anything.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The US and the Brits overthrew the elected govt of Iran, installed the Shah as a puppet, who was brutal to all Iranian dissenters which led to the backlash of of the Islamic revolution. The US backed Saddam Hussein in a war against iran in which hundreds of thousands were killed, including with chemical weapons. Then the US killed their puppet, Saddam. The Iranians were/are not about to thank the US for anything.

I understand all that.
But it doesn't give them a license to kill Americans in Iraq.

 

[susano]

Precisely and it's the same thing with Russia who is totally surrounded by US and NATO bases.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Precisely and it's the same thing with Russia who is totally surrounded by US and NATO bases.

It's not justification for killing Americans in Iraq.

 

[susano]

You nailed it. This killing of this general was not done by a constitutional manner. Trump might have saved himself over the impeachment but how far will the senate go by defending Trump over a killing of Iranian general which wasn't done in a constitutional decision?

I think some Trump supporters in here need a cooler head to see some things.

By the way dont get me wrong i dont see any chance that Biden might have agaisnt Trump when knowing Biden has made mistakes. But Trump needs to be very careful of not letting himself be dragged by the deep state. Or whatever you want to call it.

But i agree with the others trump isnt very smart either, the way he posted that American flag on his social media page wasn't a good idea.

Congress gave the go ahead on invading Iraq. Once that happened, the commander in chief is free to call the shots. The "attack" on the US embassy and the Pentagram claiming the Iranians were planning more attacks, including on US diplomats, predicated this action. Obviously, I don't agree with any of it but that's the way it is. Trump did not act unconstitutionally and was within his authority.

 

[kpitcher]

 

[AngryCanadian]

Are you Serb or from the former Yugoslavia?

Balkans. Even more complex than the middle east!

I think this fits the Balkans well.

 

[susano]

Returning to the era of 2004.

He's a great journalist. Here's a piece from a couple of days ago that gives a lot of insight into the situation:

https://ejmagnier.com/2020/01/02/ho...q-and-the-wishful-thinking-of-its-thinktanks/

 

[susano]

Thats what you say but Iraqs neighbor paid the price. So i guess we are in a position.

The US has lost over 5000 soldiers in Iraq so I guess 5000 more is no biggie.

 

[susano]

I also am opposed to unjust wars but killing an enemy who killed our men is not unjust and this is not a war.

And zippy is twisting the facts in that post.

It IS a war. In Iraq. Has been since the US invaded. It may ebb and flow but it's a war, nevertheless.

 

[susano]

We have just as much right to be indignant about someone we didn't attack killing us us Iraq had to be indignant that we attacked even though they did nothing to us.
Or are you going to say that Iraq had no right to be indignant we invaded when they attacked Kuwait?

Stop making excuses for Iran, Americans were not and are not fair game for Iran in Iraq.

I'm not making excuses for Iran. I'm telling it like it is. When any country decides to play empire, anyone else can and might attack them and are are no more out of line than the US is who never should have invaded Iraq in the first place.

 

[susano]

I think this fits the Balkans well.

I've been on many a thread with people posting from there who argue with each other. Serbs, Croats, Montenegrans, Albanians, the whole lot. All conversions end up going back hundreds of years! The most recent was over Montenegro passing the law to take Serbian Orthodox church property for the Montenegran Orthodox church, which the Serbs argue isn't recognized and the Montenegrans argue was stolen in WWI.

 

[AngryCanadian]

I've been on many a thread with people posting from there who argue with each other. Serbs, Croats, Montenegrans, Albanians, the whole lot. All conversions end up going back hundreds of years! The most recent was over Montenegro passing the law to take Serbian Orthodox church property for the Montenegran Orthodox church, which the Serbs argue isn't recognized and the Montenegrans argue was stolen in WWI.

Montenegrins are still Serbs in General.
They are bond by heritage and gene so they cant deny that. They claim what they wish but Montenegrans were forced to join NATO. And yes Balkans are lot more complex another place i wish the American gov would stay away.

 

[Slave Mentality]

Yeah im going to just ignore your bullshit. I have had poor health my whole life and when my friend came back from bootcamp he said i couldn't handle it. I trust someone who known me since i was 6 and gone through bootcamp on that one.

Like I said, chicken hawk. All for war, but won't actually go fight. Delicate little flower on the outside, demanding that politicians send other people's healthy boys off to die to protect your honor.

You repulse all decent people.

I am not claiming to be decent, but am indeed repulsed as fuck.