Trump DOJ considers banning transgenders from owning guns

[Occam's Banana]

Half-assed gun-grabbers.

(At least the fully-assed "take all the guns" progressives aren't chickenshits - not rhetorically/ideologically, anyway.)



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'MN - Two children dead, 17 others shot at Minneapolis Catholic school shooting'

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8-year-old and 10-year-old killed, 17 others hurt in mass shooting at Catholic school's church in Minneapolis

A shooting has been reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, according to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

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[Anti Federalist]

Half-assed gun-grabbers.

(At least the "take all the guns" progressives aren't chickenshits - not rhetorically/ideologically, anyway.)

A good segue to abolish the ATF altogether.

They enforce Question 2-g on form 4473.

The law is on the books, and being transqueer, as far as I am concerned, is a legitimate, de facto sign of being a mental defective.

 

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[Occam's Banana]

A good segue to abolish the ATF altogether.

If the ATF is ever abolished, the Trump administration won't be the ones to do it.

If anything, they're apt to give us the BATFEMD (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives, and Mental Disorders).

They enforce Question 2-g on form 4473.

The law is on the books, and being transqueer, as far as I am concerned, is a legitimate, de facto sign of being a mental defective.

"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime mental defect." -- Lavrentiy Beria (attributed, updated)

 

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[spudea]

So do nothing? Welcome to election loss #483929264 for the Libertarian party.

 

[Occam's Banana]

So do nothing?

Because the only options are "doing nothing" and "banning guns for this month's officially government-disapproved group".

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Aug 28, 2025

Another Mass Shooting in a ‘Gun-Free Zone’
The Minneapolis killer made the point in his manifesto. The media insist on ignoring it.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/another-mass-shooting-in-a-gun-free-zone-55e29255
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{John R. Lott Jr. & Thomas Massie | 28 August 2025}

Another mass shooter has struck and the media is again refusing to say why he chose his target. Like other killers, he openly admitted that he sought out “gun-free zones.” Yet mainstream outlets refuse to acknowledge it—and...

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Aug 29, 2025

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[spudea]

Because the only options are "doing nothing" and "banning guns for this month's officially government-disapproved group".

So getting rid of "soft" targets at schools? Marjory Stoneman Douglass had armed security, A former student opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle. 17 people were killed.

Nobody wants to go to school at a prison building. And even if you turned a school into a "hard" target, a psycho will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible.

Yes many bad guys with guns are stopped relatively quickly by good guys with guns, but most people don't want to carry guns and they don't want to live in the wild west with shootouts every day and people still getting killed.

100 years ago this didn't happen at schools. Why??? From what i can tell, 2 things have changed. Guns have changed, and people have changed. Guns are more powerful, bullets more deadly, and pistols/rifles have been made easier to pick up and hit a target with little training. People are lost in their own despair and evil takes root in their mind and very quickly turns them against their fellow man.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If the ATF is ever abolished, the Trump administration won't be the ones to do it.

If anything, they're apt to give us the BATFEMD (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives, and Mental Disorders).



"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime mental defect." -- Lavrentiy Beria (attributed, updated)

I agree, and that's why FPC for instance, should take the initiative on this.

Eliminate ATF and Form 4473 and make the Marxists defend the Second, all in one fell swoop.

Winning!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So getting rid of "soft" targets at schools? Marjory Stoneman Douglass had armed security, A former student opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle. 17 people were killed.

Nobody wants to go to school at a prison building. And even if you turned a school into a "hard" target, a psycho will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible.

Yes many bad guys with guns are stopped relatively quickly by good guys with guns, but most people don't want to carry guns and they don't want to live in the wild west with shootouts every day and people still getting killed.

100 years ago this didn't happen at schools. Why??? From what i can tell, 2 things have changed. Guns have changed, and people have changed. Guns are more powerful, bullets more deadly, and pistols/rifles have been made easier to pick up and hit a target with little training. People are lost in their own despair and evil takes root in their mind and very quickly turns them against their fellow man.

Riddle me this. You want to designate certain people as too dangerous to have guns. Let's ignore the obvious and absolutely certain abuse of this "law" by government.

So these people that are so dangerous to others won't have guns, but will still be able to walk among us?

They will be free to undertake any other methods of murder and mayhem they choose? Using machetes or knives, making bombs, driving into crowds, poisoning, dropping anvils on heads are all acceptable? How will those be stopped?

 

[Occam's Banana]

So getting rid of "soft" targets at schools? Marjory Stoneman Douglass had armed security, A former student opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle. 17 people were killed.

Nobody wants to go to school at a prison building. And even if you turned a school into a "hard" target, a psycho will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible.

Yes many bad guys with guns are stopped relatively quickly by good guys with guns, but most people don't want to carry guns and they don't want to live in the wild west with shootouts every day and people still getting killed.

100 years ago this didn't happen at schools. Why??? From what i can tell, 2 things have changed. Guns have changed, and people have changed. Guns are more powerful, bullets more deadly, and pistols/rifles have been made easier to pick up and hit a target with little training. People are lost in their own despair and evil takes root in their mind and very quickly turns them against their fellow man.

There will always be evil people who will do evil things.

Taking guns from innocent people who have committed no crime, and who have not yet given any probable cause to think they are going to commit a crime, will do nothing to mitigate that fact - and "a psycho [who] will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible" is certainly not going to be deterred by any laws that say "psychos are not allowed to have guns".

I am tempted to say that enacting such laws is far closer to "doing nothing" than any of the other imperfect things you mentioned, but it's even worse than that. Full-on leftist/progressive gun grabbers (who are also responsible for enabling and encouraging all this transgender mania) are licking their chops at the prospect of being able to disarm people deemed to be "mentally ill" (by what standard, as applied by whom?), but who have otherwise neither committed, nor given any probable cause to think they are going to commit, any crime.

The DOJ is presently considering offering it to them on a silver platter - and many so-called "conservatives" are cheering it on. But when the tranny craze finally burns itself out (as it eventually will do, and is already showing some early signs of doing), all we'll be left with is liability for the signed blank check the enemies of liberty will have been handed.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Nobody wants to go to school at a prison building. And even if you turned a school into a "hard" target, a psycho will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible.

If the psycho avoided the school and went to the park instead, because the school is not a "gun-free zone", then that is an excellent reason to make sure the park is not a "gun-free zone", either.

Yes many bad guys with guns are stopped relatively quickly by good guys with guns, but most people don't want to carry guns [...]

"Most people" don't have to carry guns to achieve the desired effect. The mere possibility that even just a few people might have guns can be enough. By his own admission, the Minneapolis Catholic school shooter deliberately targeted the school specifically because he (correctly) predicted there would be no one with a gun - and his prediction had a very high probability of being correct precisely because it was a "gun-free zone" occupied by law-abiding people.

[...] and they don't want to live in the wild west with shootouts every day and people still getting killed.

Regardless of what anyone "wants", there will always be people getting killed by other people with guns.

There is not and never will be a world where that does not happen. However, there could be a world where it happens less often - but only in a world where people are permitted to possess the means to defend themselves (and thus disincentivize and deter those who would do them harm), rather than having to wait until after yet another tragic event to demand that pandering & opportunistic politicians pass yet another ineffective law.

 

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[acptulsa]

So do nothing?

Gee, everyone look at Tater asking the very question that Democrats always ask before going off half cocked and starting something that bites us in the ass later.

You act like no one could ever consider you mentally ill. Got news. That alone confirms you're mentally ill.

 

[acptulsa]

People are lost in their own despair and evil takes root in their mind and very quickly turns them against their fellow man.

And you're helping.

If you want to ban something, ban SSRIs, not guns, not portions of the BoR, and not people.

If Fox News said it, if Trump said it, that's what you'd be saying. You wouldn't be trying to grab guns instead. You feel like you're a resolute person because when Trump says it, you stand by it like a bulldog. But for Trump you're malleable as hell; you never have an original thought. Cuck.

 

[jmdrake]

So getting rid of "soft" targets at schools? Marjory Stoneman Douglass had armed security, A former student opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle. 17 people were killed.

Nobody wants to go to school at a prison building. And even if you turned a school into a "hard" target, a psycho will just go to a popular park nearby and shoot as many kids as possible.

Yes many bad guys with guns are stopped relatively quickly by good guys with guns, but most people don't want to carry guns and they don't want to live in the wild west with shootouts every day and people still getting killed.

100 years ago this didn't happen at schools. Why??? From what i can tell, 2 things have changed. Guns have changed, and people have changed. Guns are more powerful, bullets more deadly, and pistols/rifles have been made easier to pick up and hit a target with little training. People are lost in their own despair and evil takes root in their mind and very quickly turns them against their fellow man.

One of my grandmother's cousins was a school teacher back then and she brought a pistol to class every day and sat it on her desk. Guess what? She never had to deal with a school shooting. Imagine that? Oh, and they had prayer in school back then too.

 

[jmdrake]

A good segue to abolish the ATF altogether.

They enforce Question 2-g on form 4473.

The law is on the books, and being transqueer, as far as I am concerned, is a legitimate, de facto sign of being a mental defective.

Out of the 4,200+ mass shootings in the past decade about 9 of them have been identified as trans or non binary or 0.2%. Meanwhile trans identified people make up 1% of the U.S. population. I thought you cared about the ratios when it comes to mass shootings? I guess not.

 

[spudea]

"Most people" don't have to carry guns to achieve the desired effect. The mere possibility that even just a few people might have guns can be enough. By his own admission, the Minneapolis Catholic school shooter deliberately targeted the school specifically because he (correctly) predicted there would be no one with a gun - and his prediction had a very high probability of being correct precisely because it was a "gun-free zone" occupied by law-abiding people

The reason I cite "most people" is because that is how you win elections, if you discard what most people want, you lose elections which is the only thing the Libertarian Party is good for, losing. We are the most armed society in all of history; this deterrent you speak of is not working. This school shooter knew he was going to kill himself after killing as many as possible, so I really don't think he cared whether it was a gun free zone or not. Same with the Marjory Stoneman Douglass, they had armed security guards, the shooter didn't care.

If Massie wants to repeal gun free zones, fine, but he doesn't get enough support for it to pass because people don't think it will help.